We mentioned on Monday that the Tennessee Titans apparently violated league rules with their recent release of quarterback Chris Simms, coupled with an assurance that they’d re-sign him.
The same thing apparently will be happening in Cincinnati. The Bengals released running back Kenny Watson to create a roster spot for receiver Chris Henry, and the Bengals intend to add Watson to the roster again.
“He was healthy on Friday,” coach Marvin Lewis said Monday, “but he wasn’t going to play in the game, so we released him to have the extra spot. But we plan to sign him back.”
We realize that this seems like a fairly ticky-tack violation, but based on the information that has been provided to us it’s a violation nonetheless, if a team and a player have worked out a side deal regarding his release and return. Such a move constitutes roster manipulation, no different than stashing healthy players on IR or any other device employed to get around the league-wide limit of having 53 players on the team.
And a league source tells us that it’s a common move, regardless of whether it violates the rules. “[T]hat’s why you cut those guys,” the source said, “because you have an understanding that they will resign with you. It’s a matter of trust.”
Some of you have asked that we track down the precise language of the rule, and we’re trying to get our mitts on it. Until we do, keep this in mind: Once the trade deadline passes on October 14, we won’t see maneuvers like this. After October 14, any vested veteran must pass through waivers before he becomes a free agent. And this gives every other team a crack at intercepting the player, notwithstanding the terms of any informal understanding that might exist between the parties.
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October 7th, 2008 at 11:50 am
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There we can all be happy now. WOW everybody seems to be breaking a rule, I am so shocked.
While we are here learning hocking secrets are we going to find out that the government is screwing us?
NO WAY I AM SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 7th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Seems to me that Florio is the only person that seems to care about this
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October 7th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Doesn’t that happen all the time? How many times was Troy Brown released from the Patriots a few years back only to come back in a week or two?
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
PFT - Unless there is some kind of signed agreement, then I really see no problem with it. I guess you can technically argue that there is a “verbal” agreement, but there is no recourse either side can take if the other side does not uphold there end of the deal. So who cares. It is not like the Joe Smith deal with the Timberwolves, where a signed document existed.
I am not sure why you guys are hung up on this recently, it is basically a nonfactor in the grand scheme of things. Also these players are so irrelevant to the other teams that no one is going to even attempt to sign them, it is not like Peyton Manning or Reggie Bush are being cut for a week.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
They should have cut Chris Perry. That’s it, just cut him. Don’t resign him.
BTW, is ‘ticky-tack’ the new hot word on the street?
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I don’t think this subject needs to be visited again until you can quote this so-called rule directly.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
If this is against the rules? Who cares? Seriously, who objects to this on any level. If another team tries to sign the guy and he turns them down because he thinks he has a verbal agreement in place and a team files a complaint, then you have a little story. Until then this is the biggest non story yo ever tried to break.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Jeez Florio…get a grip and/or give it up
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
The shock is not that teams are cheating, it’s that they are brazen enough to admit that they are cheating when interviewed. It would be difficult to prove that these arrangements were actaully in place without the team or the player admitting to it. That’s the shock here.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
You guys at PFT must be missing something, because if it’s a violation the league would be taking action. This is the second team in a week to pull this move so it must not be a violation.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I don’t really care about this, but there is one thing I’m curious about. After the trade deadline when a team cuts a player and he passes through waivers, is he able to turn down a deal from any team that attempts to sign him? Can he turn down a deal or two in the hopes that his original team will re-sign him?
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Why don’t you start your campaign for rule changes in cuts and signings……sounds like you should think there is a 2 week time frame min in which a team cannot re-sign a player it has cut.
No way in hell you get this passed by the players association, or rules committee, but its seems to be a solution to your goose chase.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
@strobman . . .
The player has no say in the matter. Once he is awarded to a team on waivers that teams holds his rights for the duration of his current contract. The Chargers did this in 2002 to prevent Deion Sanders from joining the Raiders for a Super Bowl run after his rights were released by the Redskins.
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Seriously…I can’t believe the Bengals are intentionally doing this. They’re not that smart.
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October 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Who cares? Most teams break the rules/cheat. This isn’t a big deal. The league isn’t going to draw attention to this unless it becomes a big deal. They don’t want anymore cheating scandals.
I think the bigger issue is the loose lips with the Titans. Kerry Collins exposed a potential example of cheating last year when he admitted that the Titans and Colts colluded for plays of the game. Now Jeff Fisher is admitting to breaking the rules. They really need to know when to shut up.
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October 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Kenny Watson was the Bengals most productive running back. But still he is a backup and/or 3rd down back at best.
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October 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
News flash: this isn’t a violation of any rule. Both parties may verbally agree that the player will come back after the game, but there is nothing legally binding about such a deal.
Did you ever notice how players don’t play under terms outlined in verbal agreements, rather they play under terms outlined in written, legally binding contracts?
And what good does it do a team to stash a healthy player on IR? They can neither practice with, nor play for the team for the entire (remainder) of the season.
Jeff Fisher is the chairman of the competition committee and his statements are as carefully crafted as those of any other coach in the NFL. If he’s not afraid to come out and acknowledge such an agreement, then there is almost assuredly no violation.
Your “league source” is likely the bitter GM or coach of Kansas City, or some other QB-needy team.
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October 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Its not really if anybody objects to this type of violation or not, it the fact that it indeed is a violation of the leagues rules.
I think this will mostly be overlooked until there is an incident that puts this practice into a larger spotlight. My opinion, I think another team in the same division picking up a cut third string quarterback before he is re-signed, then using him for some playbook knowledge and then cutting him would do the trick.
Of course the league seems to hate the bengals, so maybe they will fine Marvin Lewis, an leave Fisher alone, that would be really funny!
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October 7th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
thx Florio
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October 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I guess I’m not seeing the problem, or why there is (maybe) a rule against this.
If it’s the rule then it’s the rule and team’s shouldn’t do it, but what is the purpose of prohibiting this in the first place. I guess what I’m saying is: if cutting a player is perfectly fine (and it is) why is it so terrible to cut a player and tell him you’re going to make every effort to sign him back in the near future? I can’t see that it’s cheating the system by the team since they may in fact lose the player to another team while he’s not on the roster (and therefore don’t think the comparison to stashing healthy players on IR is valid). And I can’t see that it’s unfair on the player since getting cut with a promise to be re-signed again later is surely better than just getting cut period.
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October 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
“…a league source tells us that it’s a common move, regardless of whether it violates the rules.”
Like videotaping opponents signals was a common move, regardless of whether it violated a rule?
Where are all the holier-than-thou posters that crucified the Pats for “CHEATING” for violating a rule…..dismissing the fact that others did it too? Rules are rules and cheating is cheating!!!
Should there be asteriks all around for any team who ever violated this rule?
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October 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Bonecity:
Really? Are you suggesting that this is as bad as taping the opponents plays? Really?
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October 8th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Boberto,
Nope……not as bad. But if I shoot a guy five times or ten, shooting him ten times is worse than five….but they are BOTH attempted murder!! Perhaps YOU are the ONLY person that decides which rules violations are severe enough for public crucifixion?
BTW, where in my post did I say carrying too many players (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) was as bad as videotaping? You should be more worried about your reading comprehension than the Patriots, methinks!!
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