If Pete Carroll ever returns to the NFL, it’s safe to assume that it won’t be as head coach of the Raiders.
Though the chances of Carroll or any coach of similar ilk wanting the job falling somewhere between extremely slim and “none and void,” Carroll has burned that bridge by torching owner Al Davis for his Tuesday assault on former USC assistant coach Lane Kiffin.
“I couldn’t really be more disappointed for the game of football. I thought today was really a dark moment,” Carroll said. “To go to that level . . . hurts football, the NFL and coaching. It wasn’t necessary at all.
“The owner gets to do what he wants. He made his choice, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t fault anything there. But just the manner of all the finger pointing and the name calling. It was not informed, and it seemed out of touch. I thought it was unfortunate that it came down like that.”
Of course, Carroll isn’t objective or unbiased. Kiffin is his guy. And the perception that Kiffin failed in Oakland (coupled with the perception that Reggie Bush has underachieved in New Orleans and that Matt Leinart has flopped in Arizona and that Mike Williams has washed out of the league and that Dwayne Jarrett has disappeared in Carolina) diminishes Carroll’s overall reputation in football.
But objectivity seems to be a real challenge on when it comes to Al Davis. People are either predisposed to loving him or hating him, with a lot more falling into the latter category. We were predisposed on Tuesday to witnessing a train wreck, and were kind of hoping for one to unfold. Instead, we were impressed by the passion and the clarity (for the most part) of the Raiders owner’s remarks.
And if Carroll feels so badly for Kiffin, let’s see if Carroll offers to bring him back immediately to USC, and to re-install him as co-offensive coordinator with Steve Sarkisian. If Carroll doesn’t publicly make such an offer, what message does that send about Carroll’s true feelings on Kiffin?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 am
“If Carroll doesn’t publicly make such an offer, what message does that send about Carroll’s true feelings on Kiffin?”
Florio… you’ve scraped a goddamn hole in the bottom of the barrel with this comment…
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:23 am
“The owner gets to do what he wants. He made his choice, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t fault anything there. But just the manner of all the finger pointing and the name calling. It was not informed, and it seemed out of touch. I thought it was unfortunate that it came down like that.”
I thought what Carroll said was perfectly ok. Don’t understand what the BIG deal is all about. I am not a fan of Carroll or of Davis. What Davis said was outta line, unclassy, and not good for the game. If I wanted to hear about someone’s view of reality, I would just go take a philosophy class (ugh!!).
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
Seriously, what bizarre universe are you living in?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
I know you’re all giddy with your newfound manlove for Al Davis but to suggest that Carroll’s non-offer of a co-coordinator position to a guy that’s in line for several HEAD coaching jobs (including Washington and Syracuse) is evidence of anything is beyond ridiculous.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:34 am
So you’re saying Carroll has to create and offer Kiffin a co-offensive coordinator position in order to validate his stated opinion?
Hogwash. I think Carroll is spot-on and being completely honest in his opinion.
Personally, offered or not I think Kiffin’s best move is to stay out of employment for the 2008 season, focusing on his upcoming grievance and coaching positions for 2009.
He should be excited. Fired coaches of the Raiders tend to go on to bigger and better things.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:34 am
Your calling out Carroll for his comments, and Davis is still a hero. WTF Florio, do you have a geriatric man-crush
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:36 am
I think the point Carroll was trying to make was that there is no place for that in the public. The NFL is one big soap opera and these things happen but to go out and publicly attack an individual so directly is very cowardly. I understand Davis feels there were lies told to the press and all but by Davis going on stage and attacking Kiffin the way he did, he puts his case out to the public and since Kiffin is in no position to defend himself, Davis is automatically right. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t but it’s unnecessary to publicly attack someone, deal with it internally, deal with inaccurate accusations by rejecting them not stating the facts that harm others in the process.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 am
Err, none really. He stated his true feelings. But don’t let that stop you from drawing insubstantial conclusions Florio, you have been on a roll for years.
For all we know, he has already contacted Kiffin. Maybe Kiffin want to make all pay for the rest of this year, which he can’t do if he takes a job immediately.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 am
Pete Carroll with an opinion on the NFL, that’s friggin funny.
God knows it ain’t worth a shit.
Your bum buddy got executed on national TV and he deserved every minute of it, Pete.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 am
Florio, you’re a Raiders and Al Davis fanatic! Admit it! You’ve come over to the one and only Nation.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:48 am
It means he’s a good manager. Kiffin chose to move on to greener pastures. Even if he was your best guy, you don’t just bump your new guy just because the old one’s back on the market. That would be ridiculously unprofessional. It’s great if you have a position open, but if you don’t the old guy has to make his own way. You just offer your support, like Carroll did.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:52 am
Obviously the Lane Kiffin Pete Carroll knows isn’t the one painted by Al Davis.
Whats interesting is why Mike Florio has become very pro Al Davis considering Al Davis’s track record in trying to screw people out of their money or for that matter their football teams?
Mike you do know how Al Davis came to own the Raiders, right?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
co-offensive coordinator???? that’s ridiculous!
If he had an opening at Offensive Coordinator, then he should offer it to him. But it’s insane to create a new position like that and disrupt your team’s pecking order. The best Carroll can do is give him a hell of a job recommendation when Kiffin tries to get another job.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:54 am
I don’t really care much for Pete Carroll, but I think he’s right on with what he said.
Watching Al Davis air all of that stuff in public was watching dysfunction being taken to new heights in the NFL. It was like the Raiders had agreed to be on a reality show and we were seeing one of the testimonials from one of the contestants. That kind of stuff is great for TV ratings, but it doesn’t do much for team building, which is unfortunately the business that Al Davis happens to be in.
And I doubt Pete’s NFL perception is diminished because some of his more recent high-profile players are not yet having huge success in the NFL. That happens all the time, and in many times in more dramatic fashion. There are tons of reasons why a player doesn’t make a seamless transition from college to the NFL, and the vast majority of them have to do with the players themselves and not their former coaches.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
“….we were impressed by the passion and the clarity…..”
Are you kidding me, Florio? Old Al’s meds were working for a hour or so. Passion, going on national TV and sounding like a jilted lover is passion.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
Florio I just don’t get it. I think you’re getting too much in to your opinion and not letting the facts speak for themselves.
I usually don’t agree with a lot of these comments, but wow … what the heck. You are clearly biased on this one.
Stick to the inside info man … that’s the best way to keep the millions of hits on your site coming back.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 am
Mr. Florio,
Well stated, and I appreciate your insight on P Carroll. Through most of the Kiffin vs. Davis battle, I found most of your as a thorn in my flesh. Reason being, I think, is because you were only “telling it like it is”.
Like yourself, I wasn’t sure how the Davis news conf. was going to unravel. Was Davis going to come out like a old worn out mad man, or as someone who is still sharp and “on his game”.
Interesting to note that when asked on ESPN whether or not Davis was lying regarding the discussion in Buffalo, Kiffin passed, and stated that he didn’t want to get into it. All he had to say is yes or no…instead he said nothing.
Based on the last few days, and the lack of information coming from Kiffin, it seems as though either he is getting for a court battle, or he knows he’s be caught dead to rights, and he can’t answer because like a kid who is caught lying, tries to deflect the question in another direction.
As Davis stated during his new briefing, had he thought this was a battle he wasn’t sure to win, he wouldn’t have fired Kiffin at this juncture.
Go to your room Kiffin and don’t come out until someone says so.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:04 am
“And the perception that Kiffin failed in Oakland (coupled with the perception that Reggie Bush has underachieved in New Orleans and that Matt Leinart has flopped in Arizona and that Mike Williams has washed out of the league and that Dwayne Jarrett has disappeared in Carolina) diminishes Carroll’s overall perception in football.”
SO because is players arent sucessful in the NFL it diminishes carrols perception in football? Your an ignorant idiot. Ever heard of Troy Polamalu? Lofa Tatupu? Sammy Knight?
The news said the village wants its idiot back.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
You officially have a man-crush on a creepy, grumpy, and delusional 79 year old man. It doesn’t matter who the coach is, the outcome will be the same; Al Davis is the cancer of that organization.
And why the heck is Carroll obligated to bring Kiffin back to run the offense? That statement makes no damn sense and further proves that you have a geriatric man-crush.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
This is abysmal. You’re basically saying that midway through a season, Carroll should overhaul his entire structure in support of one man. Hell, I think I speak for most football fans when I say that I’d be very dissapointed if the guy in charge was prepared to do that kind of thing, simply because of his own personal relationship with someone.
As for Al Davis, well, he was surprisingly lucid, yes, but blaming Kiffin for the Randy Moss debacle? Rubbish. Moss wanted out, and it wasn’t Kiffin who negotiated a 4th round pick for one of the best Receivers to ever play the game was it?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
“And the perception that Kiffin failed in Oakland (coupled with the perception that Reggie Bush has underachieved in New Orleans and that Matt Leinart has flopped in Arizona and that Mike Williams has washed out of the league and that Dwayne Jarrett has disappeared in Carolina) diminishes Carroll’s overall perception in football.”
How’s that? Carroll is a very successful College Coach. Why would former staff members or players not succeeding in the NFL tarnish that? There are plenty of outstanding college players who never make it in the NFL. How many Heisman winners end up being low round draft picks? Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Troy Smith,and Jason White (who wasn’t even drafted) come to mind.
Plenty of college coaches with far more experience and fanfare than Kiffin have come to the NFL in better situations than the Raiders and failed pretty bad. Remember Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban?
Carroll may be biased, but Kiffin getting fired in Oakland will not reflect badly on him. Most people don’t blame Kiffin for the failure of the Raiders and realize it is impossible to be a head coach for the Raiders because you have no say over your own staff.
Remember the rumors how Kiffin got the job. The Raiders wanted Steve Sarkisian and while interviewing Sarkisian said he wanted Kiffin as his OC. When Sarkisian turned the Raiders down, the Raiders decided to go after Kiffin because Sarkisian was so high on him eventhough it was generally accepted that Kiffin needed a little more seasoning before he went to the NFL.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:08 am
So if Carroll loves Kiffin, he has to fire someone currently on his staff that he may like? That’s just stupid. Maybe instead, Carroll can give his recommendation of Kiffin to universities that are looking to fill a head coaching position. But then again, that wouldn’t be dramatic.
Al Davis has done to the Raiders what Matt Millen did to the Lions. Would you have a man-crush on Millen if he held a press conference, threw some coherent thoughts at you and then shared all the dirty laundry from the front office? Well….you probably would.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:08 am
I like how Florio attacks Carrol’s credibility by naming all the players currently not having success that he certainly had a ton of success with.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 am
The story is a hatchet thrown at Peter Carroll.
You infer:
1) Pete Carroll cannot comment on this NFL head coaching change because
a. he is biased and
b. certain players of his program were drafted too high
c. Pete Carroll may need something from Al Davis in the future.
Pete Carroll doesn’t need a futureless Davis.
2. Omitted was that Pete Carroll has been an NFL head Coach.
Early season firing of Kiffin indicates serious problems within the organization. Bad hire or bad employee, insubordinate or trying to improve the team and change a losing culture? Time will prove who was right.
Why sling hatchets at Pete for truthfully saying the matter was mishandled?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 8:14 am
“We were predisposed on Tuesday to witnessing a train wreck, and were kind of hoping for one to unfold.”
Mike, the only train wreck we’re witnessing here is you digging yourself deeper every time you mention Al Davis. Ever heard of the saying, “quit while you’re ahead”? Using “ahead” loosely, of course.
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