I’ve had a couple of days to reflect on our reaction to the Tuesday press conference given by Raiders owner Al Davis. I’ve considered the input of readers to our show of support and respect for Davis, who has collected three Vince Lombardi trophies (three more than 15 of 32 NFL franchises combined), and I took to heart the comments of Jason Whitlock of FOXSports.com, whom I hold in very high regard.
Wrote Whitlock: “I’d like to mention that my favorite blogger, Mike Florio at profootballtalk.com, is mysteriously in the tank for Shallow Al and the way he fired Kiffin. I can’t figure out what Florio’s angle is on this one. Are Florio and Shallow Al exchanging e-mails? I can’t believe my man Florio would play favorites when his reputation is built on blasting agents and reporters who play favorites.”
Here’s my angle, for the benefit of Big Sexy and anyone else who gives a crap (all three of them).
I don’t have many pet peeves, but for some reason it drives me bonkos that former Raiders exec Mike Lombardi has been using his new voice in the media as a way to take shots at Al Davis without providing the audience full disclosure regarding the basis for Lombardi’s bias.
As I’ve previously mentioned, Lombardi was one of multiple Raiders employees who work without a contract. But, when he was fired, he filed a grievance with the Commissioner’s office in search of a contract buyout.
What’s that, you say? How can a guy who had no contract get a contract buyout? He can’t.
The league agreed with the Raiders.
So Lombardi’s opinions about the Raiders should be regarded no differently than those of any disgruntled former employee who filed a frivolous claim against his employer and was thrown out of court. Those facts infect everything he says and writes about the Raiders, whether he realizes it or not. Indeed, Lombardi claims (presumably with a straight face) to be unburdened by agendas or pettiness. Thus, his chronic failure to come clean about the circumstances surrounding his departure from the Raiders hurts his credibility whenever he comments on that franchise.
The issue reached a critical mass for me on Tuesday, when after I pulled up NFL.com to watch the Davis press conference, I was greeted by images of Lombardi, again talking about his experiences with the Raiders without disclosing the nature of his potential bias. I suspected that, no matter what Davis said or how he said it, Lombardi was going to knock Davis. So, when the press conference began, I was looking for reasons to prop Davis up.
I expected a train wreck. Once Davis started talking, I was blown away. I expected the 79-year-old owner to talk like every other 79-year-old person I’ve ever known. Davis was the opposite. He made clear arguments, and he also came off as truly believing what he was saying.
In my ever-shrinking day job, I assess the credibility of witnesses while testifying. And 17 years of experience told me that Davis was being truthful.
But was it appropriate for Davis to disrupt his team’s 2008 football season by attempting to conjure a basis for stiffing Kiffin out of the balance of his contract? Hell no. And I’ve said that, as recently as Monday on SportingNews.com regarding the game of buyout roulette that Davis and Kiffin have been playing: “Both should be ashamed for allowing the issue to supersede the importance of winning games. None of this stuff will help the Raiders win a single game; it very well might cause them to lose a few. It needs to end. The Raiders should either declare publicly that Kiffin will hold the job the rest of the season, or Kiffin needs to be fired now.”
I lost sight of that bigger picture on Tuesday because I wanted to disagree with Lombardi, whom I suspected would disagree with anything Davis said or did. Those same feelings prompted me to take a shot at Lombardi (and not at any of the publications for which he works) on Wednesday morning, based on a post-press conference comment Davis made about Lombardi’s role in the trade that sent receiver Randy Moss to New England. In hindsight, I should have at least considered the possibility that Lombardi wasn’t giving Bill Belichick inside information about Moss in the hopes of helping the Patriots, but that Lombardi was puffing in order to get the Pats to offer up the best possible package for Moss — which ended up being a fourth-round pick for a guy who then caught 23 touchdown passes.
I raise this tonight in large part because Lombardi has opted to take a shot back at me, and because a couple of readers have mentioned it to me. But I can take the heat. And I prefer that, if Lombardi or anyone else has a problem with me, the matter be handled out in the open.
One major benefit of Lombardi’s criticism has been that it’s allowed me to recognize that my own bias regarding Lombardi’s bias regarding Davis influenced my take on the Tuesday press conference. It shouldn’t have, but it did.
Hopefully, Lombardi will recognize his own bias at some point, too.
Meanwhile, here’s a PFTV segment about the Davis press conference, which we need to wedge in right here because we’ve got nowhere else to put it. Enjoy.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Florio-It’s not a lie, if you believe it’s true.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Just because someone believes that they are telling the truth doesn’t mean that it is the truth. At one point, Al says that Kiffen was not on board with drafting Jamarcus Russell, but he was drafted anyway. He later blames Kiffen for getting rid of Randy Moss. So within a 24 hour period during the 2007 draft Kiffen went from having no juice and total authority over personal. Now Al might be truthful in how he remembers the events, but his memory should be questioned. We all like to see ourselves in a positive light. With enough time we convince ourselves its true.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Florio - I do not agree with some of your posts and let you know about it.
I appreciate your stance and recognize your problems with Lombardi.
I do have one question for you: Do you believe there have been any personnel decisions that have been made by the Raiders in the last 24 months that have not been personally signed off by Al Davis?
Of course this is in reference to the Randy Moss trade that he insisted was the sole responsibility of Kiffin. The whole world saw the many videos of Randy in the ‘06 season when he effectively quit on the Raiders. That is what brought his trade value way down. If Al really wanted to keep Randy around he would have no matter what Kiffin said or did. You have to recognize that.
Reading how Al got control of the Raiders, well ruthless is a kind word for how he went about it. He generally treats his former players well (notable exceptions are Marcus Allen and now Gannon and Sapp). His former players that have talked said it is night and day difference between being a player and working for Al in any other capacity, most notably coach.
No one is saying Kiffin is 100% innocent in how this fell apart. And no one I know of is defending Lombardi. From what is coming out Al lied a bit on Tuesday, especially about the Pats tampering with Randy Moss.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Florio,
Thanks for coming clean.
I did go back and watch the presser, I read the “warning” letter. You are correct, Al did not come off as a senile old fart holding a grudge about Kiffin being on his damn lawn. He was completely believable. I also now hold the opinion that I am not convinced Kiffin will win his case. At least based on how it is perceived that the Raiders run their organization.
Al has spent way too much time in court and knows how to testify and play the game. Just not sure if Kiffin can pull it off.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Florio,
Despite occaisionally disagreeing with some of the opinions you express here on your blog, this is, by far, the best source of NFL (and thanks to CollegeFootballTalk.com, college football) news on the web. Period. Being one of MILLIONS of Americans without NFL Network or Sirius (yet), I haven’t seen or heard much of Mike Lombardi. The times that I have, he comes across as a clueless, pompous windbag. I firmly believe that you should track him down and kick his ass.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Warren Sapp (Agreed, he is a registered fool but generally he tells his version of the truth…) sums up what Oakland is like on ESPN.com.
I don’t think that Al is trying to be untruthful, I actually agree that he cares. I just think that he, his methods, and his beliefs have killed an once-awesome franchise.
If Al wants the Raiders to win, he should hire an experienced GM and a Cap Guru and simply sign the checks.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Florio
You don´t need to apologize for your beliefs, it´s refreshing that you have your own opinion on Al Davis.
Johnn Madden said that everyone thinks they “know” Al Davis but that few people really do, that he´s completely different from the public perception.
Al Davis can be loyal to death, as Madden also said, if he ever were to get into any sort of trouble and he had only one phone call to make, he would call Al Davis.
But…..there´s a dark side to Al too:
“He is a strong willful man and the last thing you feel for him is pity, although you feel a kind of awe — something Kiffin learned too late.
You feel awe for a man who will have his way, for a man who will get you if he feels crossed, for a man who will fight harder and longer and dirtier than you ever would or could.”
Lowell Cohn, Bay Area Journalist and long time Davis critic.
Love him or hate him, the man is a living legend.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Good post Florio, I have said this before. In know way am I a Raiders fan, but I think there may be some truth to what Davis said. As far as Lombardi and his comments, I watched him on the NFL network and he has nothing good to say about the Raiders at all. He comes across as a bitter guy who can’t get another GM job. If teams thought he was such a great GM he would not be writing articles on NFL.com or making appearances on NFL network.He was fired by Davis and did not last long in Denver either. Lets face it, Davis has pissed off alot of people over the years and he has made alot of friends to. One thing I did read today is that he admits to making mistakes and is leaning towards hiring a GM to help run the team.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I think you were fair. I am a Raiders fans. I liked Kiffin, and I too expected a disaster at the conference. Instead, Davis continued with some of the usual clarity he usually brings when he comes out into the light of public and makes statements. Much of the media, not just Lombardi, love to take on Davis and he seems content to let them take their shots (probbaly knowing his legacy will always and forever outshine theirs, if their exists at all). I actually really apreciated your assessment which did not say Davis was faultless, and did not bandwagon Kiffin either. We may not agree with Davis on all of his steps and decisions, but he does not need to lie. During the conference, he was genuine with his feelings and honest in his arguments. Was he 100% right, of course not. But I think he was more right than not. If we only listened with pre-conditioned ears, we would only see him as a raving lunatic. If we approached him more objectively, it seems clear that he remains an articulate, dedicated, active owner with ferocity for his team. I could not fault him for that, even though I am disappointed by the changes and the last few years of futility. Thanks Florio. You do not need to apologize for your assessment (which I think was quite astute), and I appreciate your coming clean on your extra motivations.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Thats a lot of serious talk considering Al Davis’ credibility at this point. The guy is a joke. As for Mike Lombardi, I’ve never heard of him. Off the subject here, does anyone know if that steelers running back got his nickname after the incident or if he already had the name? I was watching NFLN and JAmie Dukes was explaining that Dookie is his nickname, I thought he would bring up why he’s called that but he seemed a little clueless on the situation.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Gannon you POS!!! If it was’nt for the Raiders you would be unemployed!
Im shredding my autographed copy of SI!!!!
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
So is Florio a lawyer or something? Polygraph operator?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
I think it’s a normal reaction to expect Davis to sound like a loon, realize that he doesn’t, and then conclude that that means he’s telling the truth. That’s one of the benefits of being articulate– by stating something (even a falsehood) in a way that’s cogent and coherent, you can get plenty of people to believe that what you’re saying is true. Hell, it can get you the Democratic nomination for POTUS.
You’re welcome to your opinion, of course. But I’d be careful in thinking that just because Al Davis was more articulate than you expected that that means the claims he made were true. You are a lawyer, after all– you should know better than most.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Regardless of your occasional bias you have a great thing going here, Florio. One thing that makes you one of the best is that even if we disagree with your philosophy you usually build a very solid case, which might have something to do with your day job. You’re informative and passionate about what you do. And I recall you being just as passionate when there were no ads and this was just an obscure NFL blog site.
My point is that whether or not we agree with what you think I like your style. What separates you from the supposed “real media” is that extra little thing this site has that few others do… a writer with little other objective than a passion for the game. Love it or not your opinions make this site one of the bests.
Keep it up, Florio, you’re one of the best in the biz. 13 million page hits in one month isn’t a fluke, its because you’re that good.
With that said I will now go back to bashing you…
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pm
al can win all the court cases he wants, by playing legalese. i thought he was trying to win football games and championships. at the end of the day it looks like he forgot how to do that. sometimes one has to adapt, improvise, overcome (usmc…). the raiders org, from the top down, especially from the top, needs to focus there.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Wow. That was actually a pretty good (and valid) explaination. I hate you a little less after reading that.
(that is a compliment by the way)
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October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
As bad as the Raiders are and as mismanaged as they may be… there are franchises that are even worse in both regards.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pm
That press conference was a disgrace! Al Davis should now better then to hang out his dirty laundry and make this into a public spectical. I could careless if he wanted to fire him, but show some CLASS - what’s he think reading a personal letter he wrote to the media? That showed as much respect as Mangini showed Belichick. I feel for those guys in the locker room, when your owner openly discusses private conversations about player personnel to the media to sway people perception of Lane. Davis is ruining a once proud organization(which he built), because his ego just would let people do their job! GOOD LUCK CABLE!
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I agree with what everyone is saying, Mr. Florio. I only discovered the site about a month ago, and I spend about 80 percent of my workday on the site. I still don’t agree with you about Davis 100%, but this is your damn site, so you should be able to express whatever you want on here. You let all of us do it. I just wanna know, what is the shot Lombardi took at you? Any links, anyone?
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 pm
The Raiders have had the worst record over the last 5 seasons. The common denominator is Al Davis. His ideas worked 30 years ago, but the NFL isn’t the same as it was then.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The Raiders are who they are….Most every team wishes they
had anything near our success…
Let haters hate….Lombardi would have a job if he was any good
and was just a little loyal…
Al’s old no s#!t… It’s easy to take shots. NOW…
But where were you guys…
Eagles, Bungholes, Browns, Quiefs, Dolts, Seahags…ect..ect..
I understand where your hate comes from…
We don’t care…Sleeping great tonight,
R. Nation..
Think Hard to hurt our feelings….GFY..Cause we DON’T care..
AAAAHYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH…
Wish upon a star you win 1 Bowl game at any point in time..
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Your a person that loves to stir up sh!t. Stirring up sh!t gives you hits and makes you money. Remember mike, your a blogger not a journalist. Tell Sprint I said hello.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
It is refreshing to hear at least someone telling the truth.
Warren Sapp is just a media whorappotamus….and knows that knocking the Raiders gets him on TV.
Gannon is still pissed that he did not get a ring, and got his neck broken as a Raider.
Most of the media only report negative stories about the Raiders.
Kornholio and the Fat guy on PTI were bashing Al even before seeing the press conference, and bashed him afterwards also.
John Madden said it best…Al was damned if he did (come out and defend himself) and damned if he didn’t, because the vultures and professional liars will spin it any way they want…
Kiff-OUT…
Good Riddance!
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Florio, I may not agree with everything you post here (especially regarding this particular mess), by by Jiminy I’ll defend your right to say it without hesitation. By the same token I also reserve the right to tell you that you’re FOS on some things.
The thing that frustrates me the most about this whole sordid affair is watching AL Davis the sharp & savvy Super Bowl winning owner become Al Davis the paranoid and vengeful old man owner. He reeeeeeally needs a management structure in there to run the day to day ops, but he’s so obsessively paranoid now that he won’t trust anyone, even the folks who could help right the ship. The man no longer has the social faculties necessary to micromanage a professional football team.
Thank you for returning a bit of balance to your take on this situation.
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October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
why is Aaron Rodgers sitting next to you, Florio?
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