Posted by Mike Florio on September 5, 2008, 10:58 p.m. EDT
[Editor’s note: Former Broncos G.M. Ted Sundquist’s initial three-pack of scouting reports concludes with Monday night’s game between the Packers and the Vikings. Ted will breakdown this game next week.]
Probably the only person more ready for the season to begin than the Cheesehead faithful is Green Bay G.M. Ted Thompson. Thompson and his staff entered the offseason with the understanding that this would be Year One of the post-Favre Packers. Instead, Favre backed out of his “retirement” and placed Thompson and the team in a difficult position. That said, both appear to have gotten their wish, as Favre is with a new team and Green Bay continues on with QB Aaron Rodgers. What better way to see the future than to face division rival Minnesota in Week One? The Vikings feel they’ve added the necessary pieces to push Green Bay for the NFC North title in 2008.
One thing’s for sure, Brett Favre left Green Bay on top of his game. The Packers were one of the leading offensive teams in 2007. Favre was the 6th rated QB in the NFL, his offense was 2nd overall and the Packers were able to strike quickly against just about every opponent they faced. Green Bay’s mantra was “pass early and often,” and the reliable receiving corps didn’t let them down. The Packers were 2nd overall in plays of 20+ yards (run/pass), 7th in quick strike drives (4 or less plays) and 2nd in the least number of dropped passes. That resulted in 435 points.
Now it’s Rodgers turn. Taken in the first round of the 2005 draft, Rodgers has personified patience. He was sharp in two outings last season, one a 34-0 blowout win over these same Vikings at Lambeau Field (though in fairness it was in mop-up duty). He certainly looked more than capable of guiding this offense in the preseason, passing for 68.5%, over 8 yards per attempt, 3 TD’s and only one pick. So, KEY #1 will be the ability of explosive WR’s Donald Driver and Greg Jennings to exploit an otherwise weak Minnesota secondary (opponents threw 65% of the time). The duo combined for 18 receptions and 227 yards, scoring one TD over the course of two meetings in ’07. The Vikings were one of the worst teams in shutting down both the opponents’ #1 and #2 WR’s last year. Driver’s sure-handed reliability kept the Packers in the top 10 for third-down conversions, while Jennings presented a big play threat that produced 52 passing plays of 20+ yards in ’07. I see Green Bay working to the side of Cedric Griffin, who statistically struggled in successfully shutting down the pass last season. Griffin was targeted 19% of the time, yet had a significantly low success rate of 39% (ranking well outside the range of starting corners).
If Green Bay hopes to take the early divisional lead they must shut down the explosive running game of the Vikings. The Packers struggled to corral rookie sensation Adrian Peterson in Week Four, but thoroughly shut him down at home Week Ten, allowing only 45 yards. KEY #2 will be the play of WLB A.J. Hawk, who is questionable with a chest injury, and SS Atari Bigby, who is probable with an ankle. Hawk has the speed, quickness and instincts to squeeze the backside and meet Peterson in the hole before he can cutback. He is a physical, sure tackler, one of the League leaders at LB. With the lack of a strong passing game, Green Bay will be able to bring Bigby down into the box to assist against the run. Bigby came into his own as a starter in 2007 and his size and punch at the point are perfect for such a scenario. Both Hawk and Bigby will be employed in a manner that will allow them to fill at the line of scrimmage unblocked, however they MUST be consistent in their breakdown and wrap up as the last line of defense. Any missed tackles by these two could lead to big plays on the ground, of which Peterson and the Vikings led the NFL in ’07. Counter that with the fact that the Packers defense was 2nd in the least number of runs over 10 yards and you get “the unstoppable force versus the immovable object” syndrome. Something’s gotta give.
So it’s no secret as to what and who makes the Vikings offense go; the running game of #28. But with the emphasis of the Packers shutting down the Viking ground attack, QB Tarvaris Jackson must step up to the plate, which is KEY #3. To say that Jackson has been the focal point of questions concerning the 2008 season would be an understatement. Jackson must be a game manager more than anything, doing just enough to keep opponents off balance as he hands the ball off to Peterson and company. There’s nothing wrong with this by any means. It’s just that in “managing” a game, you can’t turn the ball over as many times as Jackson did in ’07 (15 to be exact). His preseason performance showed excellent growth in this area, passing for 68.2 % and throwing no interceptions. With the defense stacked to stop the run, Jackson must find ways through playaction, roll out and bootlegs to get the ball downfield and convert 3rd down via the pass. If he can do this, Minnesota should improve on their ability to sustain some longer drives (they ranked 29th with drives over 10 plays) and chew up the clock on the road.
For the Vikings to succeed on defense they must find a way to get to Rodgers. Minnesota was excellent against the run last season, to a degree because they were so vulnerable to the pass. As stated earlier, opponents came out with the intent of attacking the Viking defense through the air. Minnesota was near the bottom in just about every statistical category defending the pass; first-down passes, second-down passes, big play passes, first downs made via pass, net passing yards and total passing. You get the picture. What they can do is rush the passer and they did just that with 38 sacks and ranking fourth in the League off the blitz. Off-season acquisition Jared Allen brings his impressive 15.5 sacks to make up for the loss of Kenechi Udeze, diagnosed with leukemia (my best to him). Allen joins the emerging young Ray Edwards (5 sacks and 11 hurries) as the two pressure points on Packer OT’s Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher, which is KEY #4. What I like most about this tandem is their length, coupled with excellent athleticism. They both play the point strong, but can also maneuver to get to the QB. Green Bay’s OT’s are two of the best at protecting theirs, but that was Favre in ’07. His ability to elude pressure is legendary, however Rodgers was sacked 7 times in the preseason alone. Look for Minnesota to utilize the blitz and do everything they can to free up their speedy DE’s off the edge. This pressure may confuse and frustrate the young Rodgers, forcing the Packers to run more against the Viking stingy ground defense (1st in the NFL).
KEY #5 in a close game (and I see this being one) could be the strength and accuracy of your placekicker. Green Bay’s Mason Crosby is one of the emerging young stars at the position. His leg strength and overall power give him the capability of hitting FG’s from 50+ yards. These could be “found” points if the offense stalls out before reaching the red zone. He also is capable creating a long field for Minnesota with his kickoffs and the ability to reach the endzone (14 touchbacks ’07).
September 5th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Vikings 30
Packers 10
Go ahead, rate me 1/5, I don’t care.
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
I’m still disgusted with all the Favre BS that is hanging over Rodgers’ head. I hope he can dig deep, man up and beat the queens! Losing to that group of pinheads would put a damper on the start of the season. I dont care how the Pack wins, just as long as they get the W.
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I’m not sold on this game being close. I’m pretty sure the Vikings pass rush, coupled with Rodgers ability to fall down under even the slightest of pressure, will result in 3+ turnovers by Green Bay, and a 17 point blowout.
Pressured quarterbacks make average (or crappy) corners look good. Loved the other two breakdowns–I’ll be the first to sing your praises if you got this one right.
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Way to go Bro,
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
As a Packer fan, I can tell you that the Packers’ weakness is in the O-line and D-line. Scott Wells is banged up and Chad Clifton is feeling his oats. They (or their replacements) could be looking like turnstiles. I just hope the home fans get Rogers some time. If they get on his case early, it would be a shame.
Jennings and Crosby could be our best hope. For a #5 overall pick, I have yet to see Hawk make big plays. Maybe this time has come.
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September 5th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
thats ridiculouse to say AJ hawk is a top LB in the league. his stats are worse then chad greenways whos the second maybe even third best LB for the vikings alone!.. ridiculouse statement.
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September 6th, 2008 at 12:01 am
The Vikings have a lot to look forward to this year. Jackson should be better than advertised (which isn’t saying a lot), and the receiving corps should be better. The Vikings will still be vulnerable to the off Tackle run, but GB will have problems with their makeshift Offensive Line.
It seems to me that the big question for the Vikings is the health of Adrian Peterson. Can he stay healthy? That question should be answered the first time Jackson floats a pass in the flat and is leveled by Bigby (should the situation arise). If he gets up, he may shake off that early Fred Taylor reputation of having a Waterford Crystal body. If not, the Vikings will continue with their other RB starter, who was more effective last year (but not as explosive).
Either way, the pieces are in place for the Vikings to take the division, which I expect them to do. It should make for a great rivalry over the next few years as GB and Minnesota both have enough talent to make each game interesting.
My guess on the game? The first QB to be rattled loses, favoring Minnesota, though I wouldn’t bet money (or apples) on the game either way.
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September 6th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Wow Mcknight. You are one to talk about QB’s throwing int’s, just look at your own and look at the CB’s the the Packers have.
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September 6th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Sorry to offend any Packers fans out there but I see this as a blowout. The packers offensive line is in shambles, A.J. hawk might not play. Grant has an injured hamstring, and KGB might not play. Vikings are strong and the only question mark is with the rookie safety starting instead of Madieu Williams. This could be their only chance if they are able to exploit Tyrell Johnson early. Highly unlikely with Aaron Rogers back there instead of good old Brett though! Especially since Tyrell Johnson was picked by many scouts to be the best safety in the draft
Vikings beat Packers 42-10.
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September 6th, 2008 at 1:07 am
@vikingcole…
Is Bernard Berrian going to add those 42 points to what the Vikings scored last time at Lambeau? I believe the Vikings have a shot to win on the road, primarily due to the Packers’ injuries, but putting up that type of score is highly unlikely.
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September 6th, 2008 at 1:19 am
IF Tarvaris’ knee is 100% and everything else is as advertised, I see the Vikings winning by a legitimate margin, i.e. 27-13. It’ll be kinda close, but not down to the last drive. I think the Vikings get to Rodgers and Tarvaris (if healthy and can scramble) will do enough to keep the defense honest, but not have a breakout game or anything. I can’t wait to see.
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September 6th, 2008 at 1:41 am
JUST JOHNSON??? WOW DID U SEE THE WHOLE NFL EXPLOITE YOUR SECONDARY ALL YEAR?????? AND HOW ABOUT MISSING YOU LEFT TACKLE FOR THE GAME??? KINDA A BIG DEAL LOL YOU DONT THINK THE PACK WILL GO AFTER THAT???
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September 6th, 2008 at 2:44 am
Brad Childress coaching has never beaten Mike McCarthy coaching regardless of players. The last time the Vikings got lucky and won against the Packers was the 2005 season.
What happened the last time the two teams met? 34-0 Packers.
What is different from the last game?
The Vikings overpaid for Bernard Berrian. The Packers always shut him down when he was with the Bears. That no name jump passing vikling fool can’t get him the ball.
The vikings overpaid Jared Allen who last year got 1/2 a sack against the Packers.
The Packers got rid of Brett Favre.
That the difference.
Only Favre fans that believe in his divinity would doubt that the Packers will beat the vikings yet again.
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September 6th, 2008 at 3:49 am
Vikes 45 Pack 10. Vikes get a bull rush up the middle against the Pack’s Center that kills any timing. Aaron Rogers is hit early and often with only a 4 man rush. (Something not seen from the Vikings since ….) AP and the Vikes defense want to avenge last year. Weak links for the Vikes: Another uncreative offensive gameplan by Chilli and rusty TJ INT result in a close game. Either way the game goes the winner and loser will be blown out of perspective. The winner is not necessarily bound for the play-offs and the loser is not doomed to a losing season. Would love to see the Pack start 0-2. If Chilli goes 0-6 vs the pack sooner or later the owner has to say it is time to beat our rival.
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September 6th, 2008 at 4:58 am
Good read….I hope they both lose haaa….but seriously… Go Lions!
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September 6th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Get ready Packer fans for the worst team in football this season. Remember the long dark between Starr and Favre, it’s coming again. The team is shaken over loss of their HOFer. They will not get over the departure of Sir Brett. Rogers fell in the draft for a reason, panic, he’s prone to it! They are old on the offensive line and injured and ineffective on the Defensive line. As “they” say you win football games on the line of scrimmage! You guys are toast!
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September 6th, 2008 at 7:33 am
CubanPenguin,
Please don’t refer to Jackson as my QB just because I think (know) MN will win (blow out) GB on Monday night. I’m a Bears fan, and hate both of these teams equally.
Jackson has averaged 1 INT per game for his 2 year career. I’m pretty sure Rodgers will eclipse that in the first quarter of play.
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September 6th, 2008 at 8:05 am
I sincerely hope these BIQUEENs fans come back on Tuesday to analyze their analysis. One thing for sure, at least they’re consistent. They talk trash all off-season based on whoever they drafted or signed (remember Fred Smoot was supposed to be their big shut down corner a couple years back and that is just one of many examples) and then once the season starts, they revert to excuse making and name calling.
The Packer’s defense was much improved from 2006 to 2007 and what 2008 holds will be on full display come Monday night. It might not be that insightful given its only T Jack Off at QB but the run defense can be measured.
I am not into predictions other than to say T Jack Off will be out of the league by next year and Brad Childress will forever be worthy of wearing a dunce cap. He will give you something different each week as to why but the guy just doesn’t have it and the longer management sticks with this clown, the better it is for the Packers and the rest of the NFC north.
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September 6th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Seriously, I love these Sundquist articles. i can not wait to read the breakdowns early next week!
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September 6th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Add into the equation the fact that the field goal kicker also has a new snapper and holder. That could cost them dearly in accuracy from anywhere on the field. I look to the Vikings to take this one. Brett will be enjoying this one from the friendly confines of New Jersey. Screw with the bull and you’ll get the horns. Otherwise, interesting analysis of the game from Sunquist, however Hawk is nothing more than an average LB. Certainly not the difference maker all the Ted Thompson kool-aid drinkers were predicting. Going from 13-3 to a 7-9 season (or worse) will be humiliating for the GM and coach and vindication for their ex-QB who deserved better treatment.
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September 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am
JimmySmith…T Jack Off? really? what are you 12?
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September 6th, 2008 at 10:44 am
AJ Hawk worse then Chad Greenway, lol. Vikings fan basing players’ seasons on stats he saw, lol.
Stats don’t tell you everything…
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September 6th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
“The Packers struggled to corral rookie sensation Adrian Peterson in Week Four, but thoroughly shut him down at home Week Ten, allowing only 45 yards.”
ya… he was injured in the 2nd quarter. he would have had over 100 yds that game… at the time of his injury, the packers were not shutting him down.
“He is a physical, sure tackler, one of the League leaders at LB.”
this is talking about AJ Hawk. lol@this.. someone already commented that he had worse stats than chad greenway last season, and greenway isnt even the best linebacker on the vikings… no way hawk is among the leagues best, statwise or otherwise.
“Minnesota was excellent against the run last season, to a degree because they were so vulnerable to the pass. As stated earlier, opponents came out with the intent of attacking the Viking defense through the air.”
are u saying their stats against the run were so good because teams knew they were so bad against the pass so they only passed on them?? wow ur retarded… it’s the other way around. STATS WISE, we look weak against the pass, but only because teams cannot run on us. it’s more of teams being scared of running on us than being happy to pass against us. the way u said it made it seem like our run d benefits from poor secondary. which is not the case at all. our secondary gets passed on so much cuz we have the best run D in the league. and because we have so many passes attempted on us, ofcourse the passing stats against us are going to be high. check out the pass per attempt against our secondary, and u will see we are right in the middle of the pack.
“One thing’s for sure, Brett Favre left Green Bay on top of his game. The Packers were one of the leading offensive teams in 2007. Favre was the 6th rated QB in the NFL, his offense was 2nd overall and the Packers were able to strike quickly against just about every opponent they faced. Green Bay’s mantra was “pass early and often,” and the reliable receiving corps didn’t let them down. The Packers were 2nd overall in plays of 20+ yards (run/pass), 7th in quick strike drives (4 or less plays) and 2nd in the least number of dropped passes. That resulted in 435 points.”
cmon.. do all of u think that rodgers will just pick up right where favre left off, who was able to do all of this? favre was the backbone of this team and made the offense what it is. rodgers wont be half this good at running the offense. and teh guy can hardly throw teh ball successfully over 20 yards… favre was airing it out non stop with 50+ yard bombs.
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September 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
to Skimon86
Look at what we did to the giants last year. And that was with Troy Williamson and Bobby Wade as our starting wide-outs. I’m sure bernard is bound to fly past woodson on atleast one bomb. However, it is the defense that is really gonna pump them points out. Bad safety play from dwight smith last year cost alot of yardage… Thats why the vikes dumped his old ass out on the streets.
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September 6th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
As for BJORNTOROCK,
Dont worry about Bryant Mckinney being gone. Alot of people think he is over-rated anyways (not me though). They have Artis Hicks who has played Tackle before and knows the system like the back of his hand, since he’s been in it since his days in Philidelphia when Brad Childress was the offensive coordinator there. He was a starter until Childress found out how good Anthony Hererra was. Artis Hicks will be fine in there. Our secondary was exploited last year mainly because of a lack of qb pressure from our front four. OHHHHH HOW IT IS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR!!! Ray Edwards was suspended for the last 4 games of the year and we had a constant rotation of sub-par ends trying to do something with no avail. Now we got the beast know as Jared Allen and a healthy Ray Edwards to wreak HAVOC on the league. Not to mention that Dwight Smith got burnt on every friggin play he was in.. Good thing he’s gone. He is the reason why Sundquist said that teams were passing on Cedric Griffin and succeeding so much. It’s because the Vikings play alot of cover-2 and if you dont have a safety that can properly backup your corners… you are going to get beat……. alot. And that’s exactly what happened.
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