Multiple league sources believe that agent David Dunn is deliberately dragging his feet regarding negotiations with the Bengals for linebacker Keith Rivers, the No. 9 overall pick in the 2008 draft, until the Jaguars sign defensive end Derrick Harvey, the No. 8 overall pick.
Opined one source, “They are worrying about what [Tom] Condon is doing one slot ahead of them — they are worried about next year’s recruiting, not the best interests of the kid.”
Harvey is represented by CAA, which consists of agents Tom Condon, Ben Dogra, and Ken Kremer.
The floor for Rivers has been set, given the the Pats signed linebacker Jerod Mayo, the No. 10 overall pick, more than a week ago. The fact that both Rivers and Mayo are linebackers makes the Mayo deal even more comparable.
The fear apparently is that, if Condon does a deal that represents a moderate upgrade over Mayo, Harvey’s deal eventually will come in at a much higher value, giving Condon, Dogra, and Kremer a valuable tool for luring college players who might be leaning toward Dunn in the looming rush for next year’s draft picks.
The only problem? It’s potentially hurting Rivers. ”The kid is missing valuable time to serve their own best and selfish interests,” the source said.
Though Condon is the good guy in this story, his protracted holdout in 2007 of Browns quarterback Brady Quinn resulted in Quinn losing a shot at replacing Charlie Frye early in Quinn’s rookie season, allowing Derek Anderson to establish a stranglehold on the job and making it much harder for Quinn to ever earn incentives based on his status as the starter.
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July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
again, it’s amazing how stupid athletes are. so many examples today! I’m glad Rivers left LA before I got here. that kind of stupidity is dangerous.
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July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I cant stand most of these agents
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July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I don’t see how Condon is a good guy in this story. Both Condon and Dunn are holding out their players for their own interests. Just get the kids signed and in camp.
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July 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
The league should seriously consider doing something about these agents. They are hurting the sport in more ways every year. Holdouts are normal and stories like the Chad Johnson-one are also happening more and more. The agents are also responsible for the outragous rookie wages, and that problem has potential to become deadly for the league. The agents have to be put in their place, and be told that they don’t own the sport. Hell, the only ones that give a flying rats butt about the agents are the agents themself.
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July 31st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Maybe Rivers needs to speak with Brady “me-touchy-your-junk” Quinn about how holding out can hurt your longterm success. The agents work for these kids, but somehow the agents manipulate the situation to invoke fear into them. So this kids makes less then the number 8, so what. At most maybe 10% less. He still is looking at a F-U money deal.
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Why are these agents continually allowed to hold teams hostage like this?
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
@bondem777:
um, because the teams are trying to be cheap and the players are too stupid to go to camp? yeah, that’s it. Going to camp means less time to impregnate strangers and buy Bentleys.
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Remember boys and girls. Agents work for athletes. If Rivers wants a deal done, he can demand it or fire the guy. If he wants to be there that bad he could be. It’s really that simple…
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Slotted rookie scale-end of problem.
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
We either need a structured pay line for rooks, or an early date to sign. If they don’t sign by X date (based on where they were taken) they don’t count against the cap or roster, and can’t play,
Get in there and learn something! You are only hurting yourselves and your career for a few more bucks. Idiots.
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July 31st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Do any agents listen to their clients? Like, if the kid said “I WANT TO BE IN CAMP, GET A DEAL DONE… NOW”, would they?
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July 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
The Bengals had Rivers penciled in as a starter before the holdout. They need to tell him that he becomes less valuable to them every day is holds out. A few years ago Pollack did the same thing and was worthless his rookie year.
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July 31st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
where’s the vaulted union leader?
you’ve got the agents driving the situation for their
own greed,the player be damned.
the idea that this goes on,is ludicris.i can’t believe that
gene upshaw allows this.it smacks of collusion between
the agents and the union.
when you think about it,do you get the feeling that maybe
the union membership are a bunch of dupes,and easily led,
like sheep to slaughter.
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July 31st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I……….HATE……..NFL………AGENTS……….
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July 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
capo gino is a crook, and his agent is on the retirees compensation board. wtf?
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July 31st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Dunn needs to grow a pair and get Rivers signed and into camp. If he’s waiting for Harvey to sign at #8 so he can split the difference between #8 and #10, Rivers is isn’t getting much bang for his buck. Anybody with a calculator can divide the difference between 8 and 10, Rivers doesn’t need to pay an agent a huge cut for that. Hell, I’d do it for free just to get him into camp and learning the defense.
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July 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong — and I’m sure somebody will — but isn’t Condon the same agent responsible for Ben Watson’s protracted hold out a few years back because he didn’t want to be labeled as the agent who stuck a late first round pick with a six year deal? He’s now done similar things with two other clients: tried to make himself look good at the expense of his client’s football career.
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:39 am
It’s crazy. Agents demand enormous sums of money supposedly because they can make a big difference to what a player earns, but all many on them do is refuse to properly nogotiate until the players around them have negotiated and then split the difference.
If any top college prospects are reading this, I will be your agent next year and I am good at math, so I can handle this for you. Because of my inexperience, I will only charge you 10% rather than the customary 15.
Do we have a deal?
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:32 am
I will charge 9%.
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 am
well you see this contract is important. if rivers signs for 8 million a season and has a good couple of years, then we can all expect to hear from him again before the 2011 season asking to restructure his contract
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August 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am
It’s no coincidence that this sh*t happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR with the Bengals. Hello…they’re CHEAP. Sure, some of this is probably Dunn’s fault, because he is like every other agent (i.e., he is a giant, steaming turd). But the Bengals repeatedly do this to themselves. Nobody in that front office knows how to negotiate a contract.
And, umm, do you think penciling Rivers in as a starter is helping the Bengals’ leverage here? Yeah, me either…
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
no, this doesn’t happen every single year with the Bengals. Pollack is the only player in recent memory who has held out. Hall, Joseph, Perry, Palmer (signed before the draft), Jones, Smith,and Warrick were all in camp on time I believe. That is only one first round pick since the 2000 draft. Other teams have had worse success signing before camp than the Bengals. It is usually teams that have high draft picks that want lots of money, and the Bengals have historically been there, but have done well lately.
Damn agents.
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
jmikeh: You know nothing about the Bengals. Don’t make comments on things you don’t have a clue about. Read shaunypoo’s comments for the correct info. Re: Rivers, Marvin Lewis has already said that the Bengals have made an offer that is above where it should be. This is not on the Bengals. It’s on another greedy, scum-sucking agent.
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
This screams for a ROOKIE SALARY CAP!!!
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:52 am
There’s something about this that does not add up. Both sides are generally at fault when negotiations are at an impass.
And while the Bengals have improved their horrid track record on 1st round signings of the 80’s and 90’s, the facts from shaunypoo are not valid. Perry and Joseph sat out for up to a couple of weeks. But Justin Smith sat out until the day before the 1st Game…of the regular season…and he was actually most effective his rookie year.
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