Comments on: ROD SMITH: THE HALL OF FAME DEBATE http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:54:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: joscark http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-63484 joscark Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:17:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-63484 two super bowl rings, and yes he did lead the league in receptions one year, and he was a great blocker as a receiever, all-time leader in every major recieving record as a non-drafted reciever, his hard work alone deserves it, his numbers just help his case. two super bowl rings, and yes he did lead the league in receptions one year, and he was a great blocker as a receiever, all-time leader in every major recieving record as a non-drafted reciever, his hard work alone deserves it, his numbers just help his case.

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]]> By: Pandapeep http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62847 Pandapeep Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:25:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62847 Ok, seriously, the thing you guys are all neglecting here is that Rod Smith is a) The greatest undrafted WR ever. In every stat category. So, and Jimmy Smith, Irving, or Monk comparisons all need to colored by the fact that all those guys were deemed good enough for a team to spend a draft pick on, wheras Rod Smith was not. Not only is Rod Smith the greatest undrafted WR ever, he should be in contention for greatest undrafted player ever. And to try and argue that Rod should be in using stats as a argument is missing everything that makes Rod Smith HOF worthy. Stats do not matter to that man. Winning is all that matters. His favorite game ever was Super Bowl 32, a game where he didn't catch a pass. Why? Because his team won the Super Bowl. His contract escalators each year, they weren't based on his stats, they we're based on team related things. "If we get a 1000 yard rusher, I'll get So and so much money, if we win 11 games, if we make the playoffs," ect. This man scheduled his retirement press conference last minute so it would be over before training camp, because he didn't want to have it be a distraction to his team. Ask any one who he played with and they'll tell you nothing but how he is the best team mate they've ever had. Irving got penalized for his off the field issues and had to wait a year for his induction, and yet Rod Smith, who is ten times the man Irving has ever shown himself to be, should be left out? Nonsense. Move the Broncos to Dallas, New York and LA, and this wouldn't be a discussion. Rod Smith, with his numbers and the man he is, not even factoring in the fact that he was undrafted, playing for a major market team would be a first ballot hall of famer. But, we Bronco fans are used to this, and realize that he probably won't make it. And while it breaks our heart, we don't need Canton. Our hall of fame is a ring around the lip of the stadium. Where future Bronco greats can look up and be inspired by the over looked great ones, Tom Jackson, Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenberg, Floyd Little, Steve Atwater, Ed MacAffery, Terrel Davis, Rod Smith, and the few the world has deemed "great" enough to remember, Elway, Sharpe, and now Zimmerman. He'll be in the "hall of players we wish would never grow old." A first ballot in the "Hall of Heart." A first ballot in the "Hall of guys you'd want on your team any time." We'll miss Rod Smith when it's 3rd down in the 4th quarter and the receiver drops the ball. We'll always remember, and cherish, #80 on Sundays. Ok, seriously, the thing you guys are all neglecting here is that Rod Smith is a) The greatest undrafted WR ever. In every stat category. So, and Jimmy Smith, Irving, or Monk comparisons all need to colored by the fact that all those guys were deemed good enough for a team to spend a draft pick on, wheras Rod Smith was not. Not only is Rod Smith the greatest undrafted WR ever, he should be in contention for greatest undrafted player ever.

And to try and argue that Rod should be in using stats as a argument is missing everything that makes Rod Smith HOF worthy. Stats do not matter to that man. Winning is all that matters. His favorite game ever was Super Bowl 32, a game where he didn’t catch a pass. Why? Because his team won the Super Bowl. His contract escalators each year, they weren’t based on his stats, they we’re based on team related things. “If we get a 1000 yard rusher, I’ll get So and so much money, if we win 11 games, if we make the playoffs,” ect. This man scheduled his retirement press conference last minute so it would be over before training camp, because he didn’t want to have it be a distraction to his team. Ask any one who he played with and they’ll tell you nothing but how he is the best team mate they’ve ever had.

Irving got penalized for his off the field issues and had to wait a year for his induction, and yet Rod Smith, who is ten times the man Irving has ever shown himself to be, should be left out? Nonsense. Move the Broncos to Dallas, New York and LA, and this wouldn’t be a discussion. Rod Smith, with his numbers and the man he is, not even factoring in the fact that he was undrafted, playing for a major market team would be a first ballot hall of famer.

But, we Bronco fans are used to this, and realize that he probably won’t make it. And while it breaks our heart, we don’t need Canton. Our hall of fame is a ring around the lip of the stadium. Where future Bronco greats can look up and be inspired by the over looked great ones, Tom Jackson, Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenberg, Floyd Little, Steve Atwater, Ed MacAffery, Terrel Davis, Rod Smith, and the few the world has deemed “great” enough to remember, Elway, Sharpe, and now Zimmerman. He’ll be in the “hall of players we wish would never grow old.” A first ballot in the “Hall of Heart.” A first ballot in the “Hall of guys you’d want on your team any time.” We’ll miss Rod Smith when it’s 3rd down in the 4th quarter and the receiver drops the ball. We’ll always remember, and cherish, #80 on Sundays.

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]]> By: rodsmithHOF2012 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62797 rodsmithHOF2012 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:35:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62797 What everybody has failed to mention is that guys like Michael Irvin, Jimmy Smith, Art Monk, whoever else...were 1st and 2nd round talent...Rod Smith was an undrafted FA who went from being on the Broncos Practice Squad to Special Teams to prominent WR...No other player in the History of the NFL has accumulated better stats being an undrafted FA.... To the guy who mentioned Henry Ellard...props to the Fresno Native but, no way should his name be mentioned... Besides all that...Look at all the Broncos team records Rod has set, let me remind you that a guy named Shannon Sharpe, (hands down 1 ballot HOFer) played 12 years setting those records that Rod broke... I know its a tough decision and its hard to say that he 100% needs to be it tn the HOF but, it shouldn't be disregarded as quick as the majority of this board has already... #80 What everybody has failed to mention is that guys like Michael Irvin, Jimmy Smith, Art Monk, whoever else…were 1st and 2nd round talent…Rod Smith was an undrafted FA who went from being on the Broncos Practice Squad to Special Teams to prominent WR…No other player in the History of the NFL has accumulated better stats being an undrafted FA….

To the guy who mentioned Henry Ellard…props to the Fresno Native but, no way should his name be mentioned…

Besides all that…Look at all the Broncos team records Rod has set, let me remind you that a guy named Shannon Sharpe, (hands down 1 ballot HOFer) played 12 years setting those records that Rod broke…

I know its a tough decision and its hard to say that he 100% needs to be it tn the HOF but, it shouldn’t be disregarded as quick as the majority of this board has already…

#80

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]]> By: *Legion* http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62773 *Legion* Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62773 The Gipper: 1) The comment that Rod Smith put up his numbers on "running teamss", as if Jimmy Smith played for Mike Martz or something, is brainless. Take a look at where the Jaguars ranked in passing attempts (save for the one crazy 1996 season), then smack yourself in the forehead for such a bad argument. Do you even know who Tom Coughlin or Jack Del Rio are? (Jimmy Smith's biggest season was 1999. The Jags were 12th and 17th in passing yards and attempts, and 3rd and 2nd in rushing yards and attempts. Now who's playing on a "running team"?) 2) You're right that Rod Smith only played a few years (4) with John Elway. That's four more years than Jimmy Smith played with a Hall of Fame quarterback. (To anyone saying Brunell is a HOF QB... no.) The Gipper:

1) The comment that Rod Smith put up his numbers on “running teamss”, as if Jimmy Smith played for Mike Martz or something, is brainless. Take a look at where the Jaguars ranked in passing attempts (save for the one crazy 1996 season), then smack yourself in the forehead for such a bad argument. Do you even know who Tom Coughlin or Jack Del Rio are? (Jimmy Smith’s biggest season was 1999. The Jags were 12th and 17th in passing yards and attempts, and 3rd and 2nd in rushing yards and attempts. Now who’s playing on a “running team”?)

2) You’re right that Rod Smith only played a few years (4) with John Elway. That’s four more years than Jimmy Smith played with a Hall of Fame quarterback. (To anyone saying Brunell is a HOF QB… no.)

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]]> By: webviking6 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62771 webviking6 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:15:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62771 Florio brings up Art Monk and Michael Irvin as examples of two guys that are in the HOF that show why Rod Smith should be in. First of all, Smith wasn't as good as either of those two guys, and secondly neither Irvin or Monk actually belong in the Hall. Rod Smith was a good receiver and a great guy, but Hall of Fame? Nope. Florio brings up Art Monk and Michael Irvin as examples of two guys that are in the HOF that show why Rod Smith should be in. First of all, Smith wasn’t as good as either of those two guys, and secondly neither Irvin or Monk actually belong in the Hall.

Rod Smith was a good receiver and a great guy, but Hall of Fame? Nope.

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]]> By: Jaguaroach http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62766 Jaguaroach Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:03:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62766 Rod has lesser stats than Jimmy all day. Man of the Year doesn't mean a thing for the Hall. Just look at O.J., L.T., Irvin, need I go on? Rod has lesser stats than Jimmy all day. Man of the Year doesn’t mean a thing for the Hall. Just look at O.J., L.T., Irvin, need I go on?

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]]> By: MrSalamander http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62743 MrSalamander Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:05:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62743 Not a chance. Not a chance.

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]]> By: Shamrock http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62733 Shamrock Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:28:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62733 Henry Ellard was a better receiver than Rod Smith, Art Monk, John Stallworth, Chris Carter .... No one talks about Ellard. Everybody needs to quit being a stat reading ball watcher and forget about their fantasy and Madden games. There are too many skill position players going into the HoF lately, and most, undeservedly. Henry Ellard was a better receiver than Rod Smith, Art Monk, John Stallworth, Chris Carter ….

No one talks about Ellard.

Everybody needs to quit being a stat reading ball watcher and forget about their fantasy and Madden games. There are too many skill position players going into the HoF lately, and most, undeservedly.

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]]> By: Wellsee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62705 Wellsee Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:39:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62705 How to counter the dilution of the Hall? An off the cuff proposal: Have a set number of spots per position, almost like a roster. Increase the number per position by one once every 5 or 10 years or so. But still vote every year. In order to elect someone new... you have to demote someone already there. Heh. That would make being in the Hall even more of an honor, without ever being cheap, but I know it would never happen. It would be considered too mean or harsh. But wow, it would be interesting! How to counter the dilution of the Hall? An off the cuff proposal:

Have a set number of spots per position, almost like a roster. Increase the number per position by one once every 5 or 10 years or so. But still vote every year. In order to elect someone new… you have to demote someone already there.

Heh. That would make being in the Hall even more of an honor, without ever being cheap, but I know it would never happen. It would be considered too mean or harsh. But wow, it would be interesting!

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]]> By: The Gipper http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62692 The Gipper Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:07:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62692 Rod Smith > Jimmy Smith. Rod Smith has two rings, and put up great stats on a running team. and he only played with Elway for a few years. the majority of his career was post Elway. Rod Smith > Jimmy Smith.

Rod Smith has two rings, and put up great stats on a running team. and he only played with Elway for a few years. the majority of his career was post Elway.

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]]> By: NFLed http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62679 NFLed Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:53:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62679 No, he was great for a few years and good for many many years and in my view that's not hall-worthy. No, he was great for a few years and good for many many years and in my view that’s not hall-worthy.

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]]> By: SkinsFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62676 SkinsFan Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:51:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62676 My personal opinion is that Smith does not deserve to be in the Hall. Opinion aside, I do not believe Smith has any chance to make the Hall! Because the voters are made up of NATIONAL media and Smith is not recognized outside of Denver he will never get the support necessary to even be seriously considered (even if his numbers say he is worthy). Thats my two cents. My personal opinion is that Smith does not deserve to be in the Hall. Opinion aside, I do not believe Smith has any chance to make the Hall! Because the voters are made up of NATIONAL media and Smith is not recognized outside of Denver he will never get the support necessary to even be seriously considered (even if his numbers say he is worthy).

Thats my two cents.

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]]> By: nflhof http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62660 nflhof Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:20:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62660 NOPE! Not even close as far as I am concerned. NOPE! Not even close as far as I am concerned.

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]]> By: WAbronc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62654 WAbronc Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:15:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62654 While Rod will always be THE MAN, he played in the HOF black hole known as Denver. How many Broncos are in there? John Elway, with Zimmerman soon to follow. How does this make sense for a team with 2 Superbowl victories, 6 AFC Championships, and 8 division championships. Even the lowly Cardinals have more with 11. THE CARDINALS! It doesn't make sense. For this reason it will be hard for Rod to get in. While Rod will always be THE MAN, he played in the HOF black hole known as Denver. How many Broncos are in there? John Elway, with Zimmerman soon to follow. How does this make sense for a team with 2 Superbowl victories, 6 AFC Championships, and 8 division championships. Even the lowly Cardinals have more with 11. THE CARDINALS! It doesn’t make sense. For this reason it will be hard for Rod to get in.

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62626 NonYahooHotmailAcct Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:28:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62626 Alright, let's see here... a few replies to people: 1. The Rod Smith-Monk comparison is a good one 2. Jimmy Smith > Rod Smith 3. Jimmy Smith did have a QB throwing him the ball. Mark Brunell was better than "Very Good" for ~7 years. And unlike ROD Smith, he was a top-5 guy at his position for a while. 4. Fred Taylor was mentioned here as well, and I do think FT belongs in the Hall. Along with Brunell. That Jaguar team would have had a super bowl appearance if it wasn't for a number of key drops against the Titans in the AFC CG. Alright, let’s see here… a few replies to people:

1. The Rod Smith-Monk comparison is a good one
2. Jimmy Smith > Rod Smith
3. Jimmy Smith did have a QB throwing him the ball. Mark Brunell was better than “Very Good” for ~7 years. And unlike ROD Smith, he was a top-5 guy at his position for a while.
4. Fred Taylor was mentioned here as well, and I do think FT belongs in the Hall. Along with Brunell. That Jaguar team would have had a super bowl appearance if it wasn’t for a number of key drops against the Titans in the AFC CG.

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]]> By: jimkata http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62597 jimkata Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:07:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62597 Rod Smith should be inducted for his blocking alone. Rod Smith should be inducted for his blocking alone.

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]]> By: teddybayer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62585 teddybayer Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:59:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62585 Starting a team I take Rod Smith ever day of the week. Tim Brown was a good receiver on some very poor teams. So, yes, I take Rod Smith over Tim Brown. Further, Tim Brown never blocked as well as well as Rod Smith. The fact that Smith was undrafted is all the more special. Putting Mr. Smith in the Hall of Fame honors both the player and the institution. One last thing: the bust of Walter Payton at the HOF looks absolutely nothing like him. In fact, I know a Jewish attorney in Denver who looks more like that bust in Canton than does Walter Payton. Not too late to fix that... Starting a team I take Rod Smith ever day of
the week. Tim Brown was a good receiver on
some very poor teams. So, yes, I take Rod Smith
over Tim Brown. Further, Tim Brown never
blocked as well as well as Rod Smith.

The fact that Smith was undrafted is all the
more special. Putting Mr. Smith in the Hall
of Fame honors both the player and the institution.

One last thing: the bust of Walter Payton at the
HOF looks absolutely nothing like him. In fact,
I know a Jewish attorney in Denver who
looks more like that bust in Canton than does
Walter Payton. Not too late to fix that…

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]]> By: trikee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62574 trikee Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:48:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62574 hell no, why don't we just let anybody in while we're at it hell no, why don’t we just let anybody in while we’re at it

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]]> By: mindworm http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62568 mindworm Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:44:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62568 Not in a million years should this guy be in the Hall. The HOF is diluted because writers like Tom Mantzouranis think that players like Rod Smith deserve to be in. He was always good, but never came close to being considered a top 5 or even 10 WR in any of the years he played. If this is what Florio thinks qualifies as an assistant, he needs to look harder at candidate's resumes. Not in a million years should this guy be in the Hall. The HOF is diluted because writers like Tom Mantzouranis think that players like Rod Smith deserve to be in. He was always good, but never came close to being considered a top 5 or even 10 WR in any of the years he played. If this is what Florio thinks qualifies as an assistant, he needs to look harder at candidate’s resumes.

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]]> By: BroncoLen http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62553 BroncoLen Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:34:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62553 Shanahan said it best "There are 19 receivers (in the Hall of Fame) with Art coming into the Hall of Fame this year, and Rod Smith’s catches that he has rank second (in that group). Take a look at the Super Bowl rings, there’s only four guys ahead of him. Take a look at [receiving] yards of all the receivers in the Hall of Fame, there are only (six) ahead of him. But the thing that separates Rod Smith, it was never about the stats. One of the reasons we have one of the best running games in the National Football League on a consistent basis, is that your wide receivers have to be able to block on the field. He took as much pride in blocking for the running backs, for other people, as he did catching the football." HOW MANY OF THESE OTHER WR's were apart of so many 1,000 yard rushers??? This guy was undrafted for pete's sake! Shanahan said it best “There are 19 receivers (in the Hall of Fame) with Art coming into the Hall of Fame this year, and Rod Smith’s catches that he has rank second (in that group). Take a look at the Super Bowl rings, there’s only four guys ahead of him. Take a look at [receiving] yards of all the receivers in the Hall of Fame, there are only (six) ahead of him. But the thing that separates Rod Smith, it was never about the stats. One of the reasons we have one of the best running games in the National Football League on a consistent basis, is that your wide receivers have to be able to block on the field. He took as much pride in blocking for the running backs, for other people, as he did catching the football.” HOW MANY OF THESE OTHER WR’s were apart of so many 1,000 yard rushers??? This guy was undrafted for pete’s sake!

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]]> By: rockman321 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62551 rockman321 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:33:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62551 *Legion* says: Pop quiz: Rod Smith deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he: a) Caught fewer passes than Jimmy Smith b) Totaled fewer yards than Jimmy Smith c) Caught ONE more TD than Jimmy Smith d) Was a good player that won a Super Bowl Let’s face it, “d” is all he truly has. Rod Smith, like Steve McNair, is a perfect candidate for the Hall of Very Good. *********************************************** First of all Legion, Rod has TWO Super Bowl rings, not one. Secondly, did Jimmy Smith block for a 2,00 yard RB in his career? Not quite. Lastly, was Jimmy Smith ever nominated for NFL Man of the Year? Nope. Rod Smith's body of work should all be taken into consideration. Not just his stats. Jimmy Smith, while a productive player, couldn't hold Rod's jock in a side-by-side comparison done by a knowledgable person. Rod didn't get the "pub" he deserved because he's not the media whore that Irvin, TO and so many WR's are/were. *Legion* says:

Pop quiz: Rod Smith deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he:

a) Caught fewer passes than Jimmy Smith
b) Totaled fewer yards than Jimmy Smith
c) Caught ONE more TD than Jimmy Smith
d) Was a good player that won a Super Bowl

Let’s face it, “d” is all he truly has.

Rod Smith, like Steve McNair, is a perfect candidate for the Hall of Very Good.
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First of all Legion, Rod has TWO Super Bowl rings, not one.
Secondly, did Jimmy Smith block for a 2,00 yard RB in his career? Not quite.
Lastly, was Jimmy Smith ever nominated for NFL Man of the Year?
Nope.

Rod Smith’s body of work should all be taken into consideration. Not just his stats. Jimmy Smith, while a productive player, couldn’t hold Rod’s jock in a side-by-side comparison done by a knowledgable person. Rod didn’t get the “pub” he deserved because he’s not the media whore that Irvin, TO and so many WR’s are/were.

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]]> By: INVAIDUH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62528 INVAIDUH Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:22:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62528 Blackbeard stole my thunder.. There's list that should get in before him. Blackbeard stole my thunder..
There’s list that should get in before him.

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]]> By: nuclearhostage http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62514 nuclearhostage Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:08:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62514 Why is it that Andre Reed is always left out of HOF talk ?Look at his numbers were fabulous, especially for a guy who played half of his career games in arctic Ralph Wilson stadium. 951 catches for 13,198 yards and 87 receiving TDs. Reed had 2,000 yards more receiving than Irvin. He earned 7 trips to the Pro Bowl. Thats 201 more catches and 22 more TDs than Michael Irvin. Number 5 alltime in receptions with 951. 102 more than Rod Smith Number 8 alltime in yardage with 13,198. Smith had 11389 yards. And Reed hardly ever gets mention as a HOFer !? WTF ????I'd like to see the career stats of any of those other guys after playing in the tundra of Buffalo for that long. Why is it that Andre Reed is always left out of HOF talk ?Look at his numbers were fabulous, especially for a guy who played half of his career games in arctic Ralph Wilson stadium.
951 catches for 13,198 yards and 87 receiving TDs. Reed had 2,000 yards more receiving than Irvin. He earned 7 trips to the Pro Bowl.

Thats 201 more catches and 22 more TDs than Michael Irvin.
Number 5 alltime in receptions with 951. 102 more than Rod Smith
Number 8 alltime in yardage with 13,198. Smith had 11389 yards.
And Reed hardly ever gets mention as a HOFer !? WTF ????I’d like to see the career stats of any of those other guys after playing in the tundra of Buffalo for that long.

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]]> By: brasho http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62507 brasho Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:05:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62507 Here's the big problem... since 1983 there have been zillions of seasons of passers putting up over 4000 yards and WR's with over 1000 yards.. the game has evolved, changed to a point that is nearly unrecognizable to the game pre-1983, when there were only a handful of 4000 yard passers in the entire league history (Joe Namath 68, Sipe and Fouts 80, and I think one other guy that escapes me for the moment). Anyways, the game has changed, just because a QB or a WR has better numbers than a guy in the Hall, that doesn't mean squat! The game is different, according to numbers and a vastly different game, shlubs like Dave Krieg, Neil Lomax, Trent Green, Brad Johnson and others would be shoo-ins for the Hall-of-Fame because their numbers and ratings are far better than many QBs already in the Hall (look at Namath's pathetic numbers). The WR position is no different, 1000 yard seasons for WRs were rare for WR's pre-1983, now there's 20 a season, not exactly a worthy accomplishment when compared to players of a different era. As for Smith, he was good, not nearly great...for that matter Irvin doesn't either, or his QB, because in an age of inflated passing game numbers, these guys truly didn't stand out. Here’s the big problem… since 1983 there have been zillions of seasons of passers putting up over 4000 yards and WR’s with over 1000 yards.. the game has evolved, changed to a point that is nearly unrecognizable to the game pre-1983, when there were only a handful of 4000 yard passers in the entire league history (Joe Namath 68, Sipe and Fouts 80, and I think one other guy that escapes me for the moment).

Anyways, the game has changed, just because a QB or a WR has better numbers than a guy in the Hall, that doesn’t mean squat! The game is different, according to numbers and a vastly different game, shlubs like Dave Krieg, Neil Lomax, Trent Green, Brad Johnson and others would be shoo-ins for the Hall-of-Fame because their numbers and ratings are far better than many QBs already in the Hall (look at Namath’s pathetic numbers). The WR position is no different, 1000 yard seasons for WRs were rare for WR’s pre-1983, now there’s 20 a season, not exactly a worthy accomplishment when compared to players of a different era.

As for Smith, he was good, not nearly great…for that matter Irvin doesn’t either, or his QB, because in an age of inflated passing game numbers, these guys truly didn’t stand out.

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And don’t forget that while Rod Smith had a very long, steadily productive career, Irvin’s was cut short due to injury. Irvin is still 3rd all time in 100-yd games.

I respect Rod Smith (I’m a Raiders fan), and the guy is a class act and a great story.

But to say he was better than Irvin is ridiculous.

Smith = reliable
Irvin = playmaker

That’s the difference.

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just no way

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]]> By: Tex Big Balls http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62483 Tex Big Balls Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:42:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62483 P.S., Jimmy Smith is far more deserving than Rod Smith. Jimmy Smith struck fear in the opposition..while never having a John Elway throw him the ball, much akin to Steve Smith these days. P.S., Jimmy Smith is far more deserving than Rod Smith.

Jimmy Smith struck fear in the opposition..while never having a John Elway throw him the ball, much akin to Steve Smith these days.

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]]> By: Tex Big Balls http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62479 Tex Big Balls Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:40:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62479 He was not a game changer like Michael Irvin and got to benefit from the Shanahan system and Elway. He would be a #2 WR on most teams. He's a good player, but he's not in the class of Michael Irvin. He was not a game changer like Michael Irvin and got to benefit from the Shanahan system and Elway. He would be a #2 WR on most teams.

He’s a good player, but he’s not in the class of Michael Irvin.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62465 SeanMartin Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:23:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62465 I forgot two big names he'll be up against in Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce. I forgot two big names he’ll be up against in Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62462 SeanMartin Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:22:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62462 He was a great player, but unfortunately for him, he will be compared to the guys he played with: Rice, Harrison, Moss, Owens, etc. He was a great player, but unfortunately for him, he will be compared to the guys he played with: Rice, Harrison, Moss, Owens, etc.

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]]> By: *Legion* http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62457 *Legion* Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:18:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62457 Oops, forgot to include: c.5) Went to 2 fewer Pro Bowls than Jimmy Smith Oops, forgot to include:

c.5) Went to 2 fewer Pro Bowls than Jimmy Smith

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]]> By: Blackbeard http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62456 Blackbeard Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:18:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62456 Rod Smith can go into the Hall of Very Good...He will be waiting to get into the NFL Hall of Fame...behind Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter who all have better numbers than he does. Rod Smith can go into the Hall of Very Good…He will be waiting to get into the NFL Hall of Fame…behind Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter who all have better numbers than he does.

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]]> By: artvandelay http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62454 artvandelay Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:17:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62454 He should not be a HOF'er. He was never even considered a top 5 WR in the league in any season. He should not be a HOF’er. He was never even considered a top 5 WR in the league in any season.

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]]> By: JawadSuggs http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62452 JawadSuggs Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:17:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62452 Rod Smith had a long, consistently good career, true. But so did (do!) guys like Fred Taylor, and I doubt he'll get the votes either. Rod Smith had a long, consistently good career, true. But so did (do!) guys like Fred Taylor, and I doubt he’ll get the votes either.

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]]> By: *Legion* http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62453 *Legion* Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:17:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62453 Pop quiz: Rod Smith deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he: a) Caught fewer passes than Jimmy Smith b) Totaled fewer yards than Jimmy Smith c) Caught ONE more TD than Jimmy Smith d) Was a good player that won a Super Bowl Let's face it, "d" is all he truly has. Rod Smith, like Steve McNair, is a perfect candidate for the Hall of Very Good. Pop quiz: Rod Smith deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he:

a) Caught fewer passes than Jimmy Smith
b) Totaled fewer yards than Jimmy Smith
c) Caught ONE more TD than Jimmy Smith
d) Was a good player that won a Super Bowl

Let’s face it, “d” is all he truly has.

Rod Smith, like Steve McNair, is a perfect candidate for the Hall of Very Good.

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]]> By: PittPhantoms http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62445 PittPhantoms Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:11:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62445 Is Jimmy Smith a Hall of Fame guy? I am not sure...and I would have rather had Jimmy Smith than Rod Smith - and their stats are identical... Is Jimmy Smith a Hall of Fame guy? I am not sure…and I would have rather had Jimmy Smith than Rod Smith - and their stats are identical…

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]]> By: dldove77 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62444 dldove77 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:11:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62444 No. No.

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]]> By: xskippzx http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62443 xskippzx Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:10:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62443 I agree. Gene freaking Hickerson was lucky to have lived to see his induction after being the lead blocker for Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, and Bobby Mitchell (3 HOFs). Hopefully Rod Smith doesn't have to endure the same circumstance, but I'm not holding my breath. I agree. Gene freaking Hickerson was lucky to have lived to see his induction after being the lead blocker for Jim Brown, Leroy Kelly, and Bobby Mitchell (3 HOFs). Hopefully Rod Smith doesn’t have to endure the same circumstance, but I’m not holding my breath.

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]]> By: Sociofan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62442 Sociofan Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:07:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62442 I think the comparison to Art Monk is very appropriate. Low profile, high performance. Actually, I would have put Rod Smith ahead of Michael Irvin. Irvin benefited tremendously from the talent around him. I never thought of him as a HOF receiver, even during his prime. The Cowboys won Super Bowls while he was there and he benefitted from the "halo effect". I say that if Irvin was good enough, Smith is definitely good enough. I think the comparison to Art Monk is very appropriate. Low profile, high performance. Actually, I would have put Rod Smith ahead of Michael Irvin. Irvin benefited tremendously from the talent around him. I never thought of him as a HOF receiver, even during his prime. The Cowboys won Super Bowls while he was there and he benefitted from the “halo effect”. I say that if Irvin was good enough, Smith is definitely good enough.

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]]> By: jonthefisherman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62441 jonthefisherman Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:07:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62441 He should make it into the Hall, but not for at least few years after he is eligible He should make it into the Hall, but not for at least few years after he is eligible

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]]> By: Cipher http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62438 Cipher Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:03:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/25/rod-smith-the-hall-of-fame-debate/#comment-62438 Smith > Irvin, so I vote "in." Smith > Irvin, so I vote “in.”

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