Last week, we heard an unconfirmed rumor that the Packers were confident of their tampering case against the Vikings because they had eyeballed the records of a cell phone the team had issued to Brett Favre and had seen that Favre had had conversations with Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and head coach Brad Childress. (We didn’t mention this at the time, but the Packers apparently discerned Childress’s number via league-wide directories that are available to every team.)
Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported earlier this week that, indeed, Favre had been using a team-issued cell phone, and that the records showed contact with Childress and Bevell. We promptly pointed out that a team-issued cell phone would create a salary cap violation, unless the value of the phone were included in the player’s reported salary.
And it’s not a violation of the cap rules only if the unreported value of the cell phone would have pushed the Packers over the spending limit. If any money or thing of value is given to a player and not disclosed, the cap rules have been broken.
So it’s no surprise that the Green Bay Press-Gazette is reporting now that Favre wasn’t using a team-issued cell phone, that he was never issued a cell phone by the team, and that no Packers player has a team-issued cell phone. Frankly, we believe that the Packers are scrambling to avoid a finding that they violated the cap rules.
Our guess is that the Packers had seen the cell records but were smart enough not to disclose to the league the precise basis for their firm belief that the Vikings had tampered with Favre, since the Packers likely concluded that the league would learn via its own investigation of the cell records of Childress and Bevell that the calls had occurred. Thus, the Packers avoided blowing the whistle on themselves regarding a potential cap violation.
If our suspicisions are correct, we don’t fault the Press-Gazette for being duped. But, then again, the Press-Gazette doesn’t give proper credence to McGinn’s report. Though we don’t mind being accused of exaggerating and/or making stuff up, McGinn is a respected journalist who surely wouldn’t have made the assertion if he wasn’t appropriately sure it was accurate.
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:17 am
So with your focus on this, I’m assuming you think the entire tampering investigation should be thrown out the window because of a cell phone.
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:22 am
CHEATERS!!! GIVE THE VIKINGS ALL YOUR DRAFT PICKS AND SALARY CAP SPACE!! AND LAMBEAU FIELD!!!
Whew! There, that feels better.
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:22 am
So Brett Favre volunteered to turn over his personal cell phone records to the Packers in the middle of a dispute between the two parties over his release?
How many different stories have we heard from Ted Thompson in an effort to keep his hands clean and place all the blame on Favre (and now the Minnesota Vikings)? It’s all lies and damage control.
Every day Thompson appears to be more of a manipulative-slimy-scumbag GM that he was the day before.
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Respected journalist? Are you kidding me? McGinn has been a known lackey for Green Bay management since TT came on board, he writes nothing that would ever cross the Packer GM. Hence his rash of anti-Favre articles, he is just playing the party line. Same goes with is fat a$$ drug addict college in Michael Hunt.
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am
The Wisconsin State Journal is sticking by the “team owned phone” line citing a league source.
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/297571
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:39 am
So if it wasn’t a team issued cell phone then the team violated Farve’s privacy and assorted privacy laws by obtaining them right ? And if it was a team owned cell its a cap violation. Add in Farve was pretty f’ing stupid to be engaged in tampering on a team owned cell. Did I miss anything ?
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:53 am
HMMMMM Cant GB argue that the cell phones are needed for business reasons? Im sure players dont pay for equipment. We need to get in touch with a player to scheudle meetings, rehab, inform them of times changes etc etc. If a player gets hurt outside fotball he needs to contact us immediately etc etc
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Kinda like John Tomase?
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am
the packers suck, unkay?
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July 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am
This is all silliness. So if they give everyone on their 53 man roster a cell phone, why isn’t it for business purposes (keeping in contact with their coaches and teammates) and why would it have to be considered as compensation, therefore in violation of cap rules?
Again…this is a case of people trying to make a story where there really isn’t a story to tell.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“Same goes with is fat a$$ drug addict college in Michael Hunt.”
Michael Hunt is a drug addict?
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am
if the pack gave them fones, they can do that, and i bet it is a blip on the cap. suppose lots of teams do it.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am
People, people–
It’s not the size of the value of the cell phone, it’s the principle. If the “business use” thing could justify the phone not counting toward the cap, then why not be able to give players a Winnebago to get back and forth between the training camp field and the dorms?
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Am I the only one who has been skipping over all the Packer and Favre-related posts until there is FINALLY one that reveals the resolution?
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I’ve said it earlier and I’ll say it again. As long as players are required to be “on call” for league mandated drug testing, the Packers can provide the phone and pay for it, not as salary, but as a business expense that they bare.
Part of my job requires me to be on call. I have a company provided phone that I do not pay for and is not included as part of my salary or benefits and rightfully so.
Somebody here is trying to create smoke where there is none.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:40 am
How much could a cell phone bill even if every player had one) affect the packers salary cap room? Don’t they have like 20 million in cap space right now????? This is a non issue.sorry mossey cade but the vikes now owe the packers a draft pick, must pay for the cell phones in question, and have chilly buy MM a nice steak dinner… Don’t let this get any worse!
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:41 am
the media is a bunch of f-ck ups. all you do is get the story wrong and in effect, create subplots and twists and turns. half the time the story is created by the media.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:45 am
REally? No story to tell? What if this rumor had been with the Patriots? People would be screaming for blood!
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Are cell phones mentioned in the CBA? perhaps, the team gives one to every player.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Yeah, phones could be for business purposes…
So could cars. I mean, the players have to get to practice somehow, right? Free Escalades for all Packers!
Wait, they need to get to Green Bay from their homes, too. Free private jets for all Packers! There’s no salary cap implications for free items used for business purposes, right?
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Bob McGinn has covered the Packers for over 20 years and has some of the best scouting reports for the Packers, the kind that comes from watching Packer film day and night, especially in the 48 hours following the end of each game. I would very surprised if his information was inaccurate.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Bob McGinn and Jason Wilde both reported through their own sources that the team issued a cell phone to Favre. One of these guys could be wrong, but both of them? Highly unlikely.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:30 am
The point isn’t the value or business need for a cell phone. It’s that rules state that it is to be reported as part of each player’s salary, and it wasn’t. So if the phones are provided and not reported, what other financial perks are? And for how many players?
And considering the Packers are crying foul on the Vikings for breaking rules, their proof (or assumption of proof since the calls were coming from Favre, not the Vikings’ coaches) comes from something they are doing illegally, it makes it more difficult to portray themselves are as a victim in this mess.
So now that Ted Thompson has lost the moral edge in this controversy, the story has now changed that it wasn’t a Packers-provided phone. Expect a follow-up explanation from Thompson of how the Packers got a hold of Favre’s personal cell phone records in a way that washes his hands of any illegal or unethical doing.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:43 am
jyernberg,
I’ll buy you or MM or whomever the steak dinner if you just realize that IT’S NOT ABOUT THE COST OF THE CELL PHONE OR THE SALARY CAP ROOM!!! It’s about the Packers (or any other team) providing something of value to a player, beyond what’s allowed by the NFL under the salary cap rules. And the league can be pretty strict on this, since some wealthy owners would glady pay players “off the books” to give their team an advantage. It’s a technicality, definitely. But so is videotaping another team’s offensive and defensive signals.
The “company car” analogy is an interesting one, since many companies that provide perks to their employees have to include the value of the perk as income to the employee, for the sake of taxation.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:50 am
fightingirish: I agree on Bob McGinn–If I thought today was Thursday and he wrote that it was actually Sunday, I’d head off to church.
But lately, I’ve seen more evidence of the slobbering to which Fan_of_football alludes. And it’s not hard to see why JSOnline would like to stay on friendly terms with the team, and maintain open lines of communication.
The dopes who pay $6.95 per month for “Packer Insider” access at Jsonline have been rightfully mocked on this site before. But the fact is that there are a lot of them, and it’s a high-margin source of revenue for a paper that sees both revenues and margins heading in the same direction–way down.
Plus, these rubes don’t want to pay a good portion of their beer money to hear why and how much the Packers suck. So it’s good business for the Packer Insider to be a good source of positive news on the Green and Gold, a la the communist government information bureaus.
I’m purely guessing here, but the above factors may have had something to do with Cliff Christl hanging up his typewriter.
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