A reader has forwarded to us an intriguing story from Rivals.com regarding a new offense that has been developed on the high school level.
It’s called the A-11, and it’s designed to spread the field by making the defense believe that literally any of the players can end up with the ball in their hands.
The attack is the product of the brain of Kurt Bryan, the coach at Piedmont (Calif.) High School.
The base formation involves a center flanked by two tight ends, with three receivers to the right and three to the left. And two quarterbacks in the backfield. (Jon Gruden likes it already.)
“Going into the [2007] season, we thought that either we’re going to get fired or we’re going to transform the game because of the innovative aspects and the wealth of ideas,” Bryan said. “Luckily, it turned out to be the latter.”
Though we’re having trouble imagining the thing working in pro football, we can see some of the college teams giving it a try, possibly as a change-of-pace attack aimed at creating confusion and speed-based mismatches.
There’s a web site devoted to the offense, and a quick review of it addressed some of our basic questions and concerns. Meanwhile, we’re going to try to figure out whether the formation could be used at the NFL level without violating any of the applicable rules.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
No way it works.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Houston Nutt is looking for another McFadden to get this started at Ole Miss.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
“…two quarterbacks in the backfield”. Did Bus Cook invent this offense?
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
It’s the Run-N-Shoot on crystal meth…
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
A couple fast DEs could negate that offense.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
It might work ………… for 1 play
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
tommy prothro put the rams in this kind of formation way back in the early 70s in a game i saw.
as soon as defenses get some time to figure it out, they will plant the qb like a tree.
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July 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
There are rules in the NFL (college, too, probably but I don’t follow amateurs) to prevent much of this. There are only 6 players eligible to touch the ball (plus the C on the snap) and jersey numbers to differentiate between the two so even if a team puts its G’s and/or T’s way away from the C they have to wear jersey numbers to identify them as ineligible receivers. Still there are some strange things offenses can do and get away with it legally, the problem is that Mario Williams et.al. is going to kill the QB without good protection.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I do not know if it can be used in the pro game but there is extensive discussion of the offense on http://www.coachhuey.com
The offense is used to level the field when you do not have the talent that the other team has. Many coaches view it as a gimmick offense that will not be successful in the long run.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
No, it wouldn’t work in the NFL. It wouldn’t work in *college*, either. It violates rules in both of them. Just not in high school football.
The website (a11offense.blogspot.com) says so, right in the first post.
“In the NCAA this offense would not be legal because there is added language in the (formation) rule that says ‘it must be obvious that a kick may be attempted.’”
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Aren’t you only allowed to have five eligible receivers? And you have to have at least five men on the line. I don’t see how this could be allowed in the NFL without some major rule changes.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Some AFC team used a really bizarre formation on I think their first play in the playoffs last year- it was either the Titans or the Jags. I don’t think it worked, but it look really cool. Anyone remember that?
I’ve always wondered why offenses didn’t do more exotic formations. Maybe teams have experimented during practice, and they just don’t work.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Ummm….. The NFL has a little rule that requires at least 5 linemen lining up at the line of scrimage. You cannot line six receivers in spread formation without getting a five yard illegal procedure penalty. The only thing the A-11 would get an NFL team is a bunch of penalties that will back them up into their own end zone.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
That might be well and good for the high school level, but it would fall to pieces at the collegiate or pro level.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Here is the illegal formation rule:
Illegal Formation: When there are not exactly 7 players lined up on the line of scrimmage, if five properly numbered ineligible players fail to line up on the line, or when eligible receivers do not line up at the leftmost and rightmost positions on the line. This is a 5-yard penalty.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Looks amazingly similar to the Emory & Henry that Spurrier ran from time to time at Florida…
http://www.sportsgamer.com/forums/past-gen-ncaa-football-discussion/55689-spurriers-emory-henry-offense.html
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
If you watch the video, most of the plays are not really that impressive. Even some of the big plays are because the defenders failed to make plays (missed tackles, misplaying balls in the air despite being next to the receiver). It’s not like the offense was fooling the D. About a third of the plays involved the quarterback running for his life outside of the pocket before unloading it downfield. The only way an NFL team tries that offense is if they have an idiot coach (Jerry Glanville, Matt Millen if he decided to hire himself) and nothing to lose.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
two quarterbacks on the field at the same time? the packers’ prayers have just been answered!
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Don’t see how this could work at the pro level, or even in Division I college ball, even if the rules allowed it. Strictly a passing offense, so tight man coverage on the receivers, a d-line with a nose tackle and with good pass rushing defensive ends off-set from the guards (tight ends), and safetys close to the line to cover the tight ends would shut this thing down. Quarterbacks would have to get rid of the ball in a big hurry or be sacked, and good man coverage would prevent quick delivery most of the time. I can see this offense loosing a lot of yardage in sacks. Strictly a high school type of gimmick offense.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
In the early 1980s Mississippi Valley State ran some unique offenses (of course they had Jerry Rice). One of the formations included five linemen, the QB and five WRs. Four of the WRs lined up one behind the other (the back three were technically the backfield). And when the ball was snapped the WRs all broke loose in different directions. Defenses had no idea where each WR would go and they would run into each other trying to cover their men, so some of the WRs were wide open. That year Mississippi Valley State averaged between 40 and 50 points a game.
Did this formation work in the NFL? No. NFL coaches were smart enough to realize that if you line up a big DB at the line of scrimmage and bull into the lead receiver, the others get jammed up and can’t get off to their routes, and the play is shot.
The morale of this is that NFL coaches are smart enough to defend gimmick plays if they are run enough. A trick play here and there may work, but a gimmick offense is doomed to fail.
I do like the two QB option, though. I actually wished the Steelers had used it back in the day they had Kordell Stewart (QB at Colorado), Hines Ward (who started at QB one year for Georgia), and Antwan Randel-El (QB at Indiana).
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Besides, the A-11 steals heavily from the Fun and Gun offense. At least that offense is legal in the NFL. It failed miserably in the NFL when Spurrier tried to implement it, but it was legal. Granted after the Spurrier experiment, maybe it shouldn’t be legal.
Why would anyone in the NFL want to use an offense legal or illegal that steals so heavily from an offense that was proven ineffective in the NFL?
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Mike,
Did you realize that the site basically is an infomercial for another site that you have to pay $199 to get the basic formation and playbook setup?
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
You should stick to rumor-mongering, it is your strong suit. Football analysis is continually weak on this site. Sometimes it is poorly thought out and at the level of the average fan. The sort of analysis you here at the local tavern. Other times, it is ill-informed and flat out wrong, like this potential “strategy”. Even my 68 year-old mother knew that you have to have 5 offensive linemen who cannot catch or run the ball. Granted, we in Wisconsin saw Kevin Barry be specially introduced for the u-71 package that he was an eligible receiver because he was lined up as a tight end, despite having an offensive lineman’s number.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Florio’s strong suit is football. If you don’t like the way he does business, try another site. I “here” there are many.
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July 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
That team with the 27 safties is all set to defend the new scheme. Was that the Dolphins…?
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