Comments on: ANDREWS COULD BE A HOLDOUT http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:13:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Gailikk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-62264 Gailikk Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:17:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-62264 Mr. Andrews is a somewhat related to a ornery mule. This is pathetic. I never support these athletes because they deserve nothing from me. They are paid insane amounts of money to play a sport I love to watch. Andrews could have declined his contract extension a few years ago to play out his small contract and hit the market. Andrews feared to lose the money needed to keep up his buffet habit (daily) and instead signed on the dotted line. It amazes me when people want to opt out of a contract. If you don't want to make small amounts of money then don't sign longterm contracts. Wait, that wouldn't work for the players personal desires, so they sign and whine. Absolutely hate that. And fans, don't trash the Eagles for making smart moves with their players. They are known for for their willingness to sign players to contract extensions prior to the open market. The Eagles offer fair value but prevent outsiders (agents) from driving up the price by playing the match it game with desperate teams. In the age of the poison pill, why wouldn't you sign your players early. Sadly the players out there want to desperately earn more money. Well, in the nfl there is always a need for backups. Westbrook will get his money and he will play for many years to come, but he won't make 30 mil in three years. And Andrews will get a contract extension, in 4-5 years maybe. I hope the eagles tell him to get stiff, if he holds out he loses money and then risks playing poorly and getting cut. If he waits all year then the team will develop animosity toward him and eventually find a way to cut him and get paid back. Most players who force their way out of contracts do poorly, T.O. aside (still no Superbowl though). Mr. Andrews is a somewhat related to a ornery mule. This is pathetic. I never support these athletes because they deserve nothing from me. They are paid insane amounts of money to play a sport I love to watch. Andrews could have declined his contract extension a few years ago to play out his small contract and hit the market. Andrews feared to lose the money needed to keep up his buffet habit (daily) and instead signed on the dotted line. It amazes me when people want to opt out of a contract. If you don’t want to make small amounts of money then don’t sign longterm contracts. Wait, that wouldn’t work for the players personal desires, so they sign and whine. Absolutely hate that.
And fans, don’t trash the Eagles for making smart moves with their players. They are known for for their willingness to sign players to contract extensions prior to the open market. The Eagles offer fair value but prevent outsiders (agents) from driving up the price by playing the match it game with desperate teams. In the age of the poison pill, why wouldn’t you sign your players early. Sadly the players out there want to desperately earn more money. Well, in the nfl there is always a need for backups. Westbrook will get his money and he will play for many years to come, but he won’t make 30 mil in three years. And Andrews will get a contract extension, in 4-5 years maybe.
I hope the eagles tell him to get stiff, if he holds out he loses money and then risks playing poorly and getting cut. If he waits all year then the team will develop animosity toward him and eventually find a way to cut him and get paid back. Most players who force their way out of contracts do poorly, T.O. aside (still no Superbowl though).

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]]> By: thestan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61985 thestan Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:19:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61985 FYI - granted this comes from Spadar, the biggest homer on the faceof the earth... but still Early reports indicated that Andrews was seeking an adjustment to his current contract, which runs through 2015, but neither Andrews nor the team has talked about the situation publicly. Andrews' agent, Rich Moran, told the Philadelphia Daily News that it is "100 percent wrong" to suggest that the absence is related to Andrews' contract, and that Andrews has talked to head coach Andy Reid today. FYI - granted this comes from Spadar, the biggest homer on the faceof the earth… but still

Early reports indicated that Andrews was seeking an adjustment to his current contract, which runs through 2015, but neither Andrews nor the team has talked about the situation publicly. Andrews’ agent, Rich Moran, told the Philadelphia Daily News that it is “100 percent wrong” to suggest that the absence is related to Andrews’ contract, and that Andrews has talked to head coach Andy Reid today.

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]]> By: EskinSux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61951 EskinSux Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:39:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61951 Botox...Imagine spending your time commenting on a rumor website about anyone who says anything negative about about them CowGirls or their personnel. Shrug...I hear Romo shot a 84 at Torrey Pines..Did ya get a woody?....Too funny Botox…Imagine spending your time commenting on a rumor website about anyone who says anything negative about about them CowGirls or their personnel. Shrug…I hear Romo shot a 84 at Torrey Pines..Did ya get a woody?….Too funny

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]]> By: islebfrank http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61950 islebfrank Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:37:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61950 This just in: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/7/24/578486/shawn-andrews-not-at-camp Shawn Andrews not at camp, but contract is not an issue by JasonB on Jul 24, 2008 5:13 PM EDT in News Earlier today a "league source" told Pro Football Talk that Shawn Andrews would hold out of Eagles camp "apparently due to displeasure with his contract." The "league source" was apparently not anyone from the Eagles or anyone representing Shawn Andrews... from the official site The Eagles have confirmed that Pro Bowl right guard Shawn Andrews and his agent have told the team that Andrews will not be present for the start of the team's training camp for "personal reasons." Early reports indicated that Andrews was seeking an adjustment to his current contract, which runs through 2015, but neither Andrews nor the team has talked about the situation publicly. Andrews' agent, Rich Moran, told the Philadelphia Daily News that it is "100 percent wrong" to suggest that the absence is related to Andrews' contract, and that Andrews has talked to head coach Andy Reid today. Obivously we'd rather Andrews be in camp that not, but it's nice to hear his absence has nothing to do with his contract. Les Bowen gave PFT a little shot after doing some actual reporting on the story. Your Eagletarian immediately called Andrews' agent, Rich Moran (which is the sort of thing we old-media types still like to do, rather than just throwing rumors up on the internet to raise sand). Moran said Andrews will not be at Lehigh tonight, but it is "100 percent wrong" to say his absence has anything to do with his contract. Moran said Andrews is dealing with a personal matter. He would not elaborate, other than to say it isn't the kind of personal matter where you check into rehab, or anything. "Shawn has been in contact with Andy Reid a couple of times today," Moran said. As for my take on all these threatened holdouts, until every owner takes the stance the Bengals took with Chad Johnson, players will continue to pull this crap, as long as it works, even if it only works occasionally. This just in:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2008/7/24/578486/shawn-andrews-not-at-camp

Shawn Andrews not at camp, but contract is not an issue by JasonB on Jul 24, 2008 5:13 PM EDT in News

Earlier today a “league source” told Pro Football Talk that Shawn Andrews would hold out of Eagles camp “apparently due to displeasure with his contract.”

The “league source” was apparently not anyone from the Eagles or anyone representing Shawn Andrews… from the official site

The Eagles have confirmed that Pro Bowl right guard Shawn Andrews and his agent have told the team that Andrews will not be present for the start of the team’s training camp for “personal reasons.”

Early reports indicated that Andrews was seeking an adjustment to his current contract, which runs through 2015, but neither Andrews nor the team has talked about the situation publicly. Andrews’ agent, Rich Moran, told the Philadelphia Daily News that it is “100 percent wrong” to suggest that the absence is related to Andrews’ contract, and that Andrews has talked to head coach Andy Reid today.

Obivously we’d rather Andrews be in camp that not, but it’s nice to hear his absence has nothing to do with his contract.

Les Bowen gave PFT a little shot after doing some actual reporting on the story.

Your Eagletarian immediately called Andrews’ agent, Rich Moran (which is the sort of thing we old-media types still like to do, rather than just throwing rumors up on the internet to raise sand). Moran said Andrews will not be at Lehigh tonight, but it is “100 percent wrong” to say his absence has anything to do with his contract. Moran said Andrews is dealing with a personal matter. He would not elaborate, other than to say it isn’t the kind of personal matter where you check into rehab, or anything.

“Shawn has been in contact with Andy Reid a couple of times today,” Moran said.

As for my take on all these threatened holdouts, until every owner takes the stance the Bengals took with Chad Johnson, players will continue to pull this crap, as long as it works, even if it only works occasionally.

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]]> By: wvugrad00 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61939 wvugrad00 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:12:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61939 I dont remember these players bitchin when they were given good money they didnt deserve when they were only in year 2 of their rookie deal. I bet Reggie Brown is loving his deal because he has not lived up to #1 expectations. Its the risk the team and the players take when you sign early. This is not going to help Westy get more money, the second the Eagles open the pocket book for him, more players are behind him with their hands out looking for theirs. I dont remember these players bitchin when they were given good money they didnt deserve when they were only in year 2 of their rookie deal. I bet Reggie Brown is loving his deal because he has not lived up to #1 expectations. Its the risk the team and the players take when you sign early. This is not going to help Westy get more money, the second the Eagles open the pocket book for him, more players are behind him with their hands out looking for theirs.

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61937 maddenchamp610 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:11:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61937 wetdentist...there are NO reports saying he'll be there in a few days, just cause the agent is trying to put a nice spin on it doesnt mean anything. He missed the last week of ota's, and he's holding out. Stop turning it into some puff piece spin. wetdentist…there are NO reports saying he’ll be there in a few days, just cause the agent is trying to put a nice spin on it doesnt mean anything. He missed the last week of ota’s, and he’s holding out. Stop turning it into some puff piece spin.

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]]> By: JohnnyH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61934 JohnnyH Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:55:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61934 Apparently he's staying out of camp for "personal reasons". This bums me out, this is the first negative I've ever heard about him. Apparently he’s staying out of camp for “personal reasons”. This bums me out, this is the first negative I’ve ever heard about him.

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]]> By: wetdentist http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61933 wetdentist Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:52:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61933 apparently PFT got this all wrong (remember, this is the "rumor mill"); Mr. Andrews contacted Mr. Reid and let him know that this is a personal matter that his absence is TOTALLY UNRELATED TO HIS CONTRACT. He will be at camp in a couple days. So everyone should chill out on tearing this guy to shreds. apparently PFT got this all wrong (remember, this is the “rumor mill”); Mr. Andrews contacted Mr. Reid and let him know that this is a personal matter that his absence is TOTALLY UNRELATED TO HIS CONTRACT. He will be at camp in a couple days. So everyone should chill out on tearing this guy to shreds.

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]]> By: socctty http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61923 socctty Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:39:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61923 "What if he had been a complete dud and was making $3 million this season? I bet you the Eagles wouldn’t be asking for him to re-structure his contract." Yea, they'd just cut him. Hold-outs are the only way players have leverage. There's going to be a point in the near-future where fans are going to get irritated (thanks to some agitation from sports-talk radio guys) with player hold-outs, where they cite how much they players are making, but everything's relative, baby. The Eagles can't dish out ridiculous 11 year contracts and expect players who out-play them to be satisfied with them while they cut players who don't live up to them. “What if he had been a complete dud and was making $3 million this season? I bet you the Eagles wouldn’t be asking for him to re-structure his contract.”

Yea, they’d just cut him. Hold-outs are the only way players have leverage. There’s going to be a point in the near-future where fans are going to get irritated (thanks to some agitation from sports-talk radio guys) with player hold-outs, where they cite how much they players are making, but everything’s relative, baby.

The Eagles can’t dish out ridiculous 11 year contracts and expect players who out-play them to be satisfied with them while they cut players who don’t live up to them.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61916 Vox Veritas Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:26:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61916 "“I’m not the one who got tired in the Superbowl” Yeah jackass because you hardly played in the Super Bowl" Played long enough to get 9 catches, didn't he? "He also managed to score a couple of touchdowns while you didn’t." He also managed to not throw any interceptions while McGagg threw three. And I haven't even mentioned puking in the huddle. Yet. ““I’m not the one who got tired in the Superbowl” Yeah jackass because you hardly played in the Super Bowl”

Played long enough to get 9 catches, didn’t he?

“He also managed to score a couple of touchdowns while you didn’t.”

He also managed to not throw any interceptions while McGagg threw three. And I haven’t even mentioned puking in the huddle. Yet.

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]]> By: shlynch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61907 shlynch Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:19:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61907 The Philadelphia Daily News is reporting that "Andrews' agent, Rich Moran (which is the sort of thing we old-media types still like to do, rather than just throwing rumors up on the internet to raise sand). Moran said Andrews will not be at Lehigh tonight, but it is "100 percent wrong" to say his absence has anything to do with his contract. Moran said Andrews is dealing with a personal matter. He would not elaborate, other than to say it isn't the kind of personal matter where you check into rehab, or anything." http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/ The Philadelphia Daily News is reporting that “Andrews’ agent, Rich Moran (which is the sort of thing we old-media types still like to do, rather than just throwing rumors up on the internet to raise sand). Moran said Andrews will not be at Lehigh tonight, but it is “100 percent wrong” to say his absence has anything to do with his contract. Moran said Andrews is dealing with a personal matter. He would not elaborate, other than to say it isn’t the kind of personal matter where you check into rehab, or anything.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/

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]]> By: Fade 2 Black http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61906 Fade 2 Black Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:18:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61906 I hope he doesn't hold out. That's my team, and he's the best pulling Guard in pro football... I hope he doesn’t hold out. That’s my team, and he’s the best pulling Guard in pro football…

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]]> By: bobbyacro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61901 bobbyacro Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:13:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61901 I highly doubt the Eagles players are asking for more money because of what they paid Asante. Asante took the risk of getting injured and ending his days of playing ball because the reward for him on the FA market was huge. Andrews signed the deal early because he felt the guarntee made him more comfortable than taking the same risk Asante did. Westbrook was offered more money by the Eagles and the amount was more than fair but hes deciding to be a nut job about it. This is called negotiating not "Give me what I want when I want it".I dont agree with players getting new deals so early into their current contract but 36 really does deserve more money. He just needs to realize a good deal when he sees it. I highly doubt the Eagles players are asking for more money because of what they paid Asante. Asante took the risk of getting injured and ending his days of playing ball because the reward for him on the FA market was huge. Andrews signed the deal early because he felt the guarntee made him more comfortable than taking the same risk Asante did.
Westbrook was offered more money by the Eagles and the amount was more than fair but hes deciding to be a nut job about it. This is called negotiating not “Give me what I want when I want it”.I dont agree with players getting new deals so early into their current contract but 36 really does deserve more money. He just needs to realize a good deal when he sees it.

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]]> By: thestan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61894 thestan Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:02:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61894 Probably in the top three most important players on the team - With that said - he has no case - players (and their agents) always seem to forget about their upfront money - Andrews appears to be a fickle guy (what was up with the whole "my career might be over deal from last summer???), but he can sit all he wants, he's locked up until 2015 - Play 2 more seasons (including a $750,000 base season next year) injury free at a pro bowl level and you'll get paid (again) - These guys are ridiculous, and you have to wonder how much of this is the agent in the ear.... Probably in the top three most important players on the team -

With that said - he has no case - players (and their agents) always seem to forget about their upfront money -

Andrews appears to be a fickle guy (what was up with the whole “my career might be over deal from last summer???), but he can sit all he wants, he’s locked up until 2015 -

Play 2 more seasons (including a $750,000 base season next year) injury free at a pro bowl level and you’ll get paid (again) -

These guys are ridiculous, and you have to wonder how much of this is the agent in the ear….

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]]> By: mustbechris http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61892 mustbechris Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:57:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61892 I do have to agree with thelinc, I don't put much into a rumor like this. maybe i'm just being optimistic, or just a homer, but I don't think he'll hold out. I just dont see it. I do have to agree with thelinc, I don’t put much into a rumor like this. maybe i’m just being optimistic, or just a homer, but I don’t think he’ll hold out. I just dont see it.

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]]> By: mustbechris http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61887 mustbechris Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:51:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61887 So what happens if he gets a new deal now, gets moved to tackle, and suddenly decides he deserves even more money? He signed this contract, that's his signature on it, he did it of his own volition. You don't sign an extension, take your 10 million of it up front, know the paramaters of it that will have you here for another seven years, and then decide it's time for a bigger contract before you even played one snap on it. That's total BS. The Eagles are very willing to negotiate with Westbrook, as they are with Lito. However, there's no reason to do this. Is Andrews possibly the best guard in the league? Yes. Does he "deserve" more money? Possibly. Did he sign that contract? Yes. Should the Eagles renegotiate? No. Let him sit it out. He's a huge piece of the team, and not having him would hurt, but I do think we can get by. They could move Max Jean-Gilles, a big kid who is built very similar to Andrews and is a monster run blocker, over to RG from LG, leaving Todd Herremans at LG where he's been for the last two years. After one month he'll be out 1/6 of his base salary for this year due to fines. Wait until they try (successfully) to recoup his signing bonus after that, as they did with TO. Maybe he'll change his tune. I'm not very hardline on players with things like this, but if he sits out, he's straight up being a baby. Maybe he should spend his money wiser, rather than blow out his signing bonus and decide he needs more money before even honoring one snap of the seven year deal he signed. So what happens if he gets a new deal now, gets moved to tackle, and suddenly decides he deserves even more money?

He signed this contract, that’s his signature on it, he did it of his own volition. You don’t sign an extension, take your 10 million of it up front, know the paramaters of it that will have you here for another seven years, and then decide it’s time for a bigger contract before you even played one snap on it. That’s total BS. The Eagles are very willing to negotiate with Westbrook, as they are with Lito. However, there’s no reason to do this. Is Andrews possibly the best guard in the league? Yes. Does he “deserve” more money? Possibly. Did he sign that contract? Yes. Should the Eagles renegotiate? No.

Let him sit it out. He’s a huge piece of the team, and not having him would hurt, but I do think we can get by. They could move Max Jean-Gilles, a big kid who is built very similar to Andrews and is a monster run blocker, over to RG from LG, leaving Todd Herremans at LG where he’s been for the last two years. After one month he’ll be out 1/6 of his base salary for this year due to fines. Wait until they try (successfully) to recoup his signing bonus after that, as they did with TO. Maybe he’ll change his tune.

I’m not very hardline on players with things like this, but if he sits out, he’s straight up being a baby. Maybe he should spend his money wiser, rather than blow out his signing bonus and decide he needs more money before even honoring one snap of the seven year deal he signed.

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]]> By: islebfrank http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61874 islebfrank Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:38:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61874 WhoDeyThinkGonnaBeatDemBengals hit the nail on the head. His brother Stacy is a year and a half younger, has only started 17 games for the Bengals, but will make $7.455 million this season. Although he's listed as the starter at Right Tackle on the Bengals initial depth chart, I'd be surprised if he even starts without someone else being injured. Do you think Stacy is breaking some balls? Maybe Shawn should fire his agent and hire Stacy's? WhoDeyThinkGonnaBeatDemBengals hit the nail on the head. His brother Stacy is a year and a half younger, has only started 17 games for the Bengals, but will make $7.455 million this season. Although he’s listed as the starter at Right Tackle on the Bengals initial depth chart, I’d be surprised if he even starts without someone else being injured.

Do you think Stacy is breaking some balls? Maybe Shawn should fire his agent and hire Stacy’s?

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61871 maddenchamp610 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:37:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61871 Any other eagles fans think it's odd that for the last 3 days the eagles website has been flooded with blogs and updates and stories from every angle, but on this day, as of 8:45 AM(the last blog entry)there has been nothing! Not one word about anyone....hmmmmmm, it makes me wonder whats going on. Im about to drive over to the practice fields and see if anyone is showing up yet. Ill be back on with a REAL UPDATE from someone thats really out here. Not from out friend TOM M penning stories about us calling the Pack for Favre:( Any other eagles fans think it’s odd that for the last 3 days the eagles website has been flooded with blogs and updates and stories from every angle, but on this day, as of 8:45 AM(the last blog entry)there has been nothing! Not one word about anyone….hmmmmmm, it makes me wonder whats going on. Im about to drive over to the practice fields and see if anyone is showing up yet. Ill be back on with a REAL UPDATE from someone thats really out here. Not from out friend TOM M penning stories about us calling the Pack for Favre:(

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]]> By: benjitsu http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61863 benjitsu Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:30:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61863 All i have to say is it couldn't happen to a nicer team. He realized he has to actually occupy Fillthy for half the year,who wouldn't ask for more money. Awwwwwww poor Iggles. All i have to say is it couldn’t happen to a nicer team. He realized he has to actually occupy Fillthy for half the year,who wouldn’t ask for more money. Awwwwwww poor Iggles.

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]]> By: bwnyc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61845 bwnyc Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:07:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61845 Andrews should wait until the Eagles move him to tackle to renegotiate a deal. The market value will be higher and he'll have better leverage, especially if they move him to the left side. Andrews should wait until the Eagles move him to tackle to renegotiate a deal. The market value will be higher and he’ll have better leverage, especially if they move him to the left side.

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]]> By: Jack B. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61842 Jack B. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:02:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61842 He's probably comparing himself to a guy like Faneca and realizing he deserves more money. Instead of being pissed off at the organization, he should be mad at himself for being too stupid to realize, and his agent for not telling him, that when you sign a second deal before reaching the free agent market, you probably won't make as much as a guy who had two teams in a bidding war over him. Suck it up Shaw, you sacrificed money for stability. The team has no obligation to make you happy. santadeservedit.blogspot.com He’s probably comparing himself to a guy like Faneca and realizing he deserves more money. Instead of being pissed off at the organization, he should be mad at himself for being too stupid to realize, and his agent for not telling him, that when you sign a second deal before reaching the free agent market, you probably won’t make as much as a guy who had two teams in a bidding war over him. Suck it up Shaw, you sacrificed money for stability. The team has no obligation to make you happy. santadeservedit.blogspot.com

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]]> By: jimmyinphilly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61840 jimmyinphilly Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:01:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61840 so this is the year that giving players short money on long contracts while they're too young and stupid to know better is finally going to catch up with the front office. it was only a matter of time. i'm not the only one who thinks the decision makers get more satisfaction from getting players locked up to cap-favorable contracts than they do from winning. for the love of god, andrews and westbrook are your best players on the team. if you can't take care of them, how do you expect to win anything. good luck getting bunkley or anyone else to sign an extention. so this is the year that giving players short money on long contracts while they’re too young and stupid to know better is finally going to catch up with the front office. it was only a matter of time.

i’m not the only one who thinks the decision makers get more satisfaction from getting players locked up to cap-favorable contracts than they do from winning.

for the love of god, andrews and westbrook are your best players on the team. if you can’t take care of them, how do you expect to win anything. good luck getting bunkley or anyone else to sign an extention.

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]]> By: CountSnail http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61838 CountSnail Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61838 The only reason all of the Eagles players are whining is because they gave the "outsider" Asante Samuel a huge contract. Now everyone wants their deals restructed. The only one who deserves a new deal is Westbrook. In some respects, Andrews and Sheppard are more injury prone than McNabb. They should shut up and play. The only reason all of the Eagles players are whining is because they gave the “outsider” Asante Samuel a huge contract. Now everyone wants their deals restructed. The only one who deserves a new deal is Westbrook. In some respects, Andrews and Sheppard are more injury prone than McNabb. They should shut up and play.

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61825 maddenchamp610 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:46:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61825 gibsonplyer i couldnt agree more. You know he didnt blindly sign the contract back then, right? They obviously said "look, this is how your base salaries play out given this huge signing bonus were gonna give you. In 09' its gonna drop to 750,000, but thats only because were prorating it and giving you alot of money up front. Are you sure you want to sign?"....his response was undoubtedly yes, yes. I'm a team player, blah blah blah. I understand im getting paid this money more upfront, and im not gonna be a problem in 09'. Now fast forward to 08'.....i never said anything about not being a problem in 08'..brewahahahaha. Dont these guys realize it's not JUST about them. I heard and respected the crap out of something i heard Darnell Dockett from the cards say yesterday. When asked why he was showing up while upset with his current deal, he responded by saying "its not just about me, theres 80 guys out there that depend on him being there and doing his part for the team." I really hope him and Westbrook show up, i just dont thin the fans can take it anymore. Most people want to win so badly that any type of holdout/distraction will be there public crucifixion. These guys DO NOT GET TRICKED INTO SIGNING CONTRACTS. THEY ARE LAID OUT FOR THEM, AND THEY SIGN THEM ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL. So the players are the ones breaking their words, and saying i dont care what i said two years ago, im a baby and i want MORE NOW!!! gibsonplyer i couldnt agree more. You know he didnt blindly sign the contract back then, right? They obviously said “look, this is how your base salaries play out given this huge signing bonus were gonna give you. In 09′ its gonna drop to 750,000, but thats only because were prorating it and giving you alot of money up front. Are you sure you want to sign?”….his response was undoubtedly yes, yes. I’m a team player, blah blah blah. I understand im getting paid this money more upfront, and im not gonna be a problem in 09′.

Now fast forward to 08′…..i never said anything about not being a problem in 08′..brewahahahaha.

Dont these guys realize it’s not JUST about them. I heard and respected the crap out of something i heard Darnell Dockett from the cards say yesterday. When asked why he was showing up while upset with his current deal, he responded by saying “its not just about me, theres 80 guys out there that depend on him being there and doing his part for the team.” I really hope him and Westbrook show up, i just dont thin the fans can take it anymore. Most people want to win so badly that any type of holdout/distraction will be there public crucifixion. These guys DO NOT GET TRICKED INTO SIGNING CONTRACTS. THEY ARE LAID OUT FOR THEM, AND THEY SIGN THEM ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL. So the players are the ones breaking their words, and saying i dont care what i said two years ago, im a baby and i want MORE NOW!!!

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]]> By: thelinc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61823 thelinc Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:43:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61823 does anyone else think this is total bs? does anyone else think this is total bs?

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]]> By: smiley http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61816 smiley Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:37:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61816 A solid guard that wants to be paid like a good LT...in Philly no less. Good luck. Hail! A solid guard that wants to be paid like a good LT…in Philly no less. Good luck. Hail!

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61806 Rob0769 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:32:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61806 Andrews is out of his mind! Does he realize that when he signed a seven year extension two years ago he was signed through 2007 and this is the first year of his contract extension? So he is sitting out and demanding more money after the Eagles apparently gave him a $10.5 million signing bonus for apparently nothing (well to honor the final two years of his rookie deal). I don't usually care about the Eagles, but if I was them I would tell him to suck it up and play or sit out and then try to go after him for his bonus too. This is nothing but extortion after Andrews got paid eight figures for a deal that he hasn't played a single day of. Screw him. Andrews is out of his mind! Does he realize that when he signed a seven year extension two years ago he was signed through 2007 and this is the first year of his contract extension? So he is sitting out and demanding more money after the Eagles apparently gave him a $10.5 million signing bonus for apparently nothing (well to honor the final two years of his rookie deal).

I don’t usually care about the Eagles, but if I was them I would tell him to suck it up and play or sit out and then try to go after him for his bonus too. This is nothing but extortion after Andrews got paid eight figures for a deal that he hasn’t played a single day of. Screw him.

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]]> By: vinny cerrato http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61802 vinny cerrato Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:30:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61802 Andrews rookie deal was up after the 2008 season if he voided the final year of his rookie contract,however in june 2006 he signed a 7 year 40(5.7 mil a year) million dollar extension to his rookie deal. Andrews was said to have gotten 10-12 million bonuses On the open market now a guy of his ability would pull in 9mil a year+ easily,and based off of alan faneca getting 5 years/40 million(8 mil a year) with 21 million of that guaranteed. Andrews is a better guard than Faneca right now,and Andrews has youth on his side as well.Faneca signed that deal as a 31 year old. Andrews is 25. Andrews rookie deal was up after the 2008 season if he voided the final year of his rookie contract,however in june 2006 he signed a 7 year 40(5.7 mil a year) million dollar extension to his rookie deal. Andrews was said to have gotten 10-12 million bonuses

On the open market now a guy of his ability would pull in 9mil a year+ easily,and based off of alan faneca getting 5 years/40 million(8 mil a year) with 21 million of that guaranteed.

Andrews is a better guard than Faneca right now,and Andrews has youth on his side as well.Faneca signed that deal as a 31 year old. Andrews is 25.

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]]> By: ARiebel http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61801 ARiebel Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:30:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61801 I'm tired of people pissing on the Eagles for being extremely intelligent when it comes to signing young talent. They were taking a calculated risk when they threw Andrews the contract he has now. What if he had been a complete dud and was making $3 million this season? I bet you the Eagles wouldn't be asking for him to re-structure his contract. These players sign contracts. They are to oblige by them. It's ridiculous. In all three cases in which Eagles players are unhappy with their contracts (Sheppard, Westbrook, Andrews) the team was smart enough to get them locked up to contracts that put money in the players' pockets immediately when they weren't worth that much and at the same time would help the Eagles out later in the deal IF they reached elite status. Keep in mind Shawn Andrews is one of my favorite players on the Eagles, but he is out of line in this one. We have plenty of depth at RG so let him sit out. I’m tired of people pissing on the Eagles for being extremely intelligent when it comes to signing young talent. They were taking a calculated risk when they threw Andrews the contract he has now. What if he had been a complete dud and was making $3 million this season? I bet you the Eagles wouldn’t be asking for him to re-structure his contract. These players sign contracts. They are to oblige by them. It’s ridiculous. In all three cases in which Eagles players are unhappy with their contracts (Sheppard, Westbrook, Andrews) the team was smart enough to get them locked up to contracts that put money in the players’ pockets immediately when they weren’t worth that much and at the same time would help the Eagles out later in the deal IF they reached elite status. Keep in mind Shawn Andrews is one of my favorite players on the Eagles, but he is out of line in this one. We have plenty of depth at RG so let him sit out.

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]]> By: svnrdr http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61796 svnrdr Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:24:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61796 It must really suck to make $3 million... It must really suck to make $3 million…

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]]> By: BrewThru http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61794 BrewThru Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:23:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61794 Andrews wants more money because he spends so much of it on material goods. He has man-purses galore and several cars, including a Phantom. Shut up and play you punk ass. Andrews wants more money because he spends so much of it on material goods. He has man-purses galore and several cars, including a Phantom.

Shut up and play you punk ass.

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61788 gibsonplyer Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:18:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61788 Don't mention TO. He was one year into a deal. If one of your players tried to pull the same shit you'd feel the exact same way. They were willing to renegotiate with him but at the end of the season but his new agent who wasn't getting any money from his current deal wanted it done then. He then threw the guy who got him that deal and who he was reliant on to get him the ball under the bus. "I'm not the one who got tired in the Superbowl" Yeah jackass because you hardly played in the Super Bowl while Donovan played every offensive down and was getting hit all the time because his center sucked while every time you touched the ball you ran out of bounds. He also managed to score a couple of touchdowns while you didn't. They're willing to deal with Westbrook. They're unwilling to deal with Lito by all accounts because he's been injured. Andrews? I don't know. What these players got to take into account instead of just looking at this years salary is how much money they got up front that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Floyd Reese on NFL Live the other day said he wouldn't renegotiate with players before the last year of the deal especially if he gave them good money up front. He said something to the effect of getting 5 years out of a 7 year deal or 3 years out of a 5 year deal at least. If it was me I would tell them give me back that signing bonus and then we'll give you a new deal and see how that changes their perspective. Don’t mention TO. He was one year into a deal. If one of your players tried to pull the same shit you’d feel the exact same way. They were willing to renegotiate with him but at the end of the season but his new agent who wasn’t getting any money from his current deal wanted it done then. He then threw the guy who got him that deal and who he was reliant on to get him the ball under the bus. “I’m not the one who got tired in the Superbowl” Yeah jackass because you hardly played in the Super Bowl while Donovan played every offensive down and was getting hit all the time because his center sucked while every time you touched the ball you ran out of bounds. He also managed to score a couple of touchdowns while you didn’t.

They’re willing to deal with Westbrook. They’re unwilling to deal with Lito by all accounts because he’s been injured. Andrews? I don’t know.

What these players got to take into account instead of just looking at this years salary is how much money they got up front that they wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Floyd Reese on NFL Live the other day said he wouldn’t renegotiate with players before the last year of the deal especially if he gave them good money up front. He said something to the effect of getting 5 years out of a 7 year deal or 3 years out of a 5 year deal at least.

If it was me I would tell them give me back that signing bonus and then we’ll give you a new deal and see how that changes their perspective.

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]]> By: pat in philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61783 pat in philly Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:12:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61783 does anybody know what his bonus was when he signed his deal? He's obviously got more than 2.98 million considering that. Either way, this guy doesn't have a case until about 2011 , at the earliest. If he is determined to hold out, this one could get ugly. Start the Favre for Andrews rumors (joke) does anybody know what his bonus was when he signed his deal? He’s obviously got more than 2.98 million considering that.

Either way, this guy doesn’t have a case until about 2011 , at the earliest. If he is determined to hold out, this one could get ugly.

Start the Favre for Andrews rumors
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]]> By: Kevin from Philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61777 Kevin from Philly Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61777 Couldn't just be a fat guy who wants to stay out of the how sun for another weeks vacation, could it? Couldn’t just be a fat guy who wants to stay out of the how sun for another weeks vacation, could it?

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]]> By: WhoDeyThinkGonnaBeatDemBengals http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61769 WhoDeyThinkGonnaBeatDemBengals Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:59:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61769 He's probably pissed because his brother will make three times that amount this year as a franchise LT. He’s probably pissed because his brother will make three times that amount this year as a franchise LT.

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]]> By: vinny cerrato http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61764 vinny cerrato Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:57:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/24/andrews-could-be-a-holdout/#comment-61764 Shawn Andrews can only thank himself for being stupid enough to take the bait and sign the small deal. The Eagles FO is good at acquiring talent,but once they feel like they've given you a good deal,they're impossible to convince otherwise. just ask TO. being a skins fan I hope he holds out. Andrews is their best O-lineman,and without him philly's O-line will become horrible.They aren't even that great of a pass blocking group to begin with,and the 3 other teams in the NFC east are loaded with pass rushers. Shawn Andrews can only thank himself for being stupid enough to take the bait and sign the small deal.

The Eagles FO is good at acquiring talent,but once they feel like they’ve given you a good deal,they’re impossible to convince otherwise. just ask TO.

being a skins fan I hope he holds out. Andrews is their best O-lineman,and without him philly’s O-line will become horrible.They aren’t even that great of a pass blocking group to begin with,and the 3 other teams in the NFC east are loaded with pass rushers.

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