Comments on: DEVIN HESTER A HOLDOUT http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:25:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: CoryDangerous http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61565 CoryDangerous Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:29:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61565 He has 13 TD's in 2 years. That's okay, but it is about what he is worth. It's not like he's an incredible wide out that catches 80 balls a year. He's a kick returned and a overhyped speed receiver. He should feel lucky he's on the Bear's (consistently good special teams, meaning great blocking allowing him to run). If he was on a team with poor special teams, he'd be a regular who dat. He has 13 TD’s in 2 years. That’s okay, but it is about what he is worth. It’s not like he’s an incredible wide out that catches 80 balls a year. He’s a kick returned and a overhyped speed receiver.

He should feel lucky he’s on the Bear’s (consistently good special teams, meaning great blocking allowing him to run). If he was on a team with poor special teams, he’d be a regular who dat.

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]]> By: GR365 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61530 GR365 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:38:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61530 Isn't this guy half of the Bears Offense? Isn’t this guy half of the Bears Offense?

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]]> By: lightninglucci http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61477 lightninglucci Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:52:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61477 @brh Nice. You say I have no knowledge of how contracts work, and yet your description of how contracts work contains a vital flaw. But if I explicitly pointed out what that flaw was, you'd certainly claim that you knew that and didn't mean what you said quite that way. But I guess I should follow your lead, hang onto semantics, and respond in kind: Maybe you should learn how NFL contracts work before you try to comment on them. @brh

Nice. You say I have no knowledge of how contracts work, and yet your description of how contracts work contains a vital flaw.

But if I explicitly pointed out what that flaw was, you’d certainly claim that you knew that and didn’t mean what you said quite that way. But I guess I should follow your lead, hang onto semantics, and respond in kind:

Maybe you should learn how NFL contracts work before you try to comment on them.

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]]> By: gyldenlove http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61428 gyldenlove Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:12:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61428 I can see where Hester comes from on this one, he is clearly the best returner in the game today, and should be paid as such. Returning kicks and punts means you have a short shelf-life so you have to cash in early because you are not going to later on. I do think there is a lot to be said for the loyal soldier approach of a guy like Marques Colston who was grossly underpaid for his performance (much much more so than Hester ever will be) over the confrontational approach of a holdout, especially for a younger player. With that said however, some times you do need to show them you mean business, and a holdout is all a player can do. Any regular Joe out there can just quit if he doesn't get a raise and go work for the competition, a player can't do that due to the restrictive rules governing sports contracts. You can all be damn sure that if you are the top performer in your company and you get paid worse than most of your coworkers, the boss is going to get the old "raise or quit" ultimatum pretty quickly. I can see where Hester comes from on this one, he is clearly the best returner in the game today, and should be paid as such. Returning kicks and punts means you have a short shelf-life so you have to cash in early because you are not going to later on.

I do think there is a lot to be said for the loyal soldier approach of a guy like Marques Colston who was grossly underpaid for his performance (much much more so than Hester ever will be) over the confrontational approach of a holdout, especially for a younger player. With that said however, some times you do need to show them you mean business, and a holdout is all a player can do.

Any regular Joe out there can just quit if he doesn’t get a raise and go work for the competition, a player can’t do that due to the restrictive rules governing sports contracts. You can all be damn sure that if you are the top performer in your company and you get paid worse than most of your coworkers, the boss is going to get the old “raise or quit” ultimatum pretty quickly.

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]]> By: whocanitbenow http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61368 whocanitbenow Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:37:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61368 "but he’s now missing valuable time working with the Bears’ quarterbacks." Not really. I saw him before the Cubs game the other day on the field scooping up grounders at shortstop. He didn't miss any - he will be fine. “but he’s now missing valuable time working with the Bears’ quarterbacks.”

Not really. I saw him before the Cubs game the other day on the field scooping up grounders at shortstop. He didn’t miss any - he will be fine.

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]]> By: Westtexastexan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61281 Westtexastexan Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:47:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61281 The reason the bears don't want to renegotiate, is that as a receiver, Hester is dumber than a stump. They only gave him four offensive pass plays to learn last year, and he couldn't remember two of them. There's no way the QB is going to know where he's going, no matter how fast he is. good return man, but that's it, a special teams player extraordinaire only. The reason the bears don’t want to renegotiate, is that as a receiver, Hester is dumber than a stump. They only gave him four offensive pass plays to learn last year, and he couldn’t remember two of them. There’s no way the QB is going to know where he’s going, no matter how fast he is. good return man, but that’s it, a special teams player extraordinaire only.

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]]> By: screaming sheep http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61251 screaming sheep Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:05:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61251 Well, its not like he's gonna fall down the depth chart at wide receiver, they have no depth at wide receiver. Well, its not like he’s gonna fall down the depth chart at wide receiver, they have no depth at wide receiver.

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]]> By: bofarr http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61243 bofarr Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:48:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61243 "but he’s now missing valuable time working with the Bears’ quarterbacks." Hey Florio, were you able to type that last line with a straight face? Maybe the Bears would be better off putting Hester at QB and running West Virginia's spread offense. “but he’s now missing valuable time working with the Bears’ quarterbacks.”

Hey Florio, were you able to type that last line with a straight face? Maybe the Bears would be better off putting Hester at QB and running West Virginia’s spread offense.

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]]> By: clintdogg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61237 clintdogg Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:39:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61237 Hey Spanky, I'd hardly call it extortion when the team makes far more money off the player than the player takes home, and the team can tear up any contract that they don't feel is worth it at any time. The only leverage a player has in 'CONTRACTS' is when they get paid for their VALUE. The point is that another team would be more than willing to pay him more than he's making. He's an impact player and instantly makes 31 other teams better. VALUE is based off of potential, and giving him WR responsibilities does nothing but increase his potential value... Hey Spanky, I’d hardly call it extortion when the team makes far more money off the player than the player takes home, and the team can tear up any contract that they don’t feel is worth it at any time. The only leverage a player has in ‘CONTRACTS’ is when they get paid for their VALUE. The point is that another team would be more than willing to pay him more than he’s making. He’s an impact player and instantly makes 31 other teams better. VALUE is based off of potential, and giving him WR responsibilities does nothing but increase his potential value…

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]]> By: gshevlin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61207 gshevlin Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:56:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61207 If teams have the perogative to cut players for any reason at pretty much any time during the lifetime of a contract, this sort of holdout is one of the few areas of leverage that a player has. NFL teams are in a very privileged position compared to (say) MLB, where if a team wants to get rid of a player before the end of his contract, they have to negotiate a buyout, and they can't just cut him. Take away Hester's returns for TDs from last season, and the Bears do not look like a frightening offensive juggernaut. The Bears would be well advised to settle this matter soon. If teams have the perogative to cut players for any reason at pretty much any time during the lifetime of a contract, this sort of holdout is one of the few areas of leverage that a player has.
NFL teams are in a very privileged position compared to (say) MLB, where if a team wants to get rid of a player before the end of his contract, they have to negotiate a buyout, and they can’t just cut him.
Take away Hester’s returns for TDs from last season, and the Bears do not look like a frightening offensive juggernaut. The Bears would be well advised to settle this matter soon.

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]]> By: brh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61193 brh Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:46:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61193 @lightninglucci - Maybe you should learn how NFL contracts work before you try to comment on them. When teams cut a player early, that is not a violation of the contract. That's why players get signing bonuses. It's a trade off. The player gets a guaranteed signing bonus that they get to keep as long as they don't default on their end of the contract. In exchange for that, the teams get the right to terminate the contract early if they wish. When you say "teams don't have to honor their end" you are just flat out wrong. As for Hester, this is a completely boneheaded move on his part. Does he deserve more then he's making? Sure he does. The Bears openly admit that and have been in talks with his agent about a new contract for months. However, holding out is a stupid way to try to get what he wants. The question that is holding everything up is how good of a WR he can be. Hester wants to be paid like a top WR. The Bears are saying he hasn't proven he can play like one yet (and they're right about that). The best way for him to get the contract he wants is to show up and prove that he can be a legit starting WR. Skipping training camp is only going to knock him down the depth chart and make it less likely that he'll be able to prove that. @lightninglucci - Maybe you should learn how NFL contracts work before you try to comment on them. When teams cut a player early, that is not a violation of the contract. That’s why players get signing bonuses. It’s a trade off. The player gets a guaranteed signing bonus that they get to keep as long as they don’t default on their end of the contract. In exchange for that, the teams get the right to terminate the contract early if they wish. When you say “teams don’t have to honor their end” you are just flat out wrong.

As for Hester, this is a completely boneheaded move on his part. Does he deserve more then he’s making? Sure he does. The Bears openly admit that and have been in talks with his agent about a new contract for months. However, holding out is a stupid way to try to get what he wants. The question that is holding everything up is how good of a WR he can be. Hester wants to be paid like a top WR. The Bears are saying he hasn’t proven he can play like one yet (and they’re right about that). The best way for him to get the contract he wants is to show up and prove that he can be a legit starting WR. Skipping training camp is only going to knock him down the depth chart and make it less likely that he’ll be able to prove that.

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]]> By: I_Hate_Yams http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61186 I_Hate_Yams Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:39:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61186 If he didn't play football he'd make $15 per hour. If he didn’t play football he’d make $15 per hour.

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]]> By: diehardbearsfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61183 diehardbearsfan Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:37:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61183 great....heres your chance at an opportunity to get a starting wideout position that will surely boost your case my mid season or seasons end, and now you've just f'd yourself. congratulations on being a highpriced specialteamer great….heres your chance at an opportunity to get a starting wideout position that will surely boost your case my mid season or seasons end, and now you’ve just f’d yourself. congratulations on being a highpriced specialteamer

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]]> By: ZEEKER187 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61175 ZEEKER187 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:33:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61175 Just give him whatever the hell he wants....he's the only playmaker anyway. Dock Grossman's pay because he's nothing but a playtaker Just give him whatever the hell he wants….he’s the only playmaker anyway. Dock Grossman’s pay because he’s nothing but a playtaker

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]]> By: Gusto-man http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61165 Gusto-man Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:26:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61165 I am sure Parker will want him paid as much as a top wide out, I say let him sit for 2 years, if they cannot work out a fair deal. The Bears were going to try to make a wide out out of him, but it appears he would rather hold out and miss the golden opportunity. Again, I hope the Bears let him sit for two years. I am sure Parker will want him paid as much as a top wide out, I say let him sit for 2 years, if they cannot work out a fair deal.

The Bears were going to try to make a wide out out of him, but it appears he would rather hold out and miss the golden opportunity. Again, I hope the Bears let him sit for two years.

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61164 Henry Plainview Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:24:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61164 teams can cut them before the contract expires too...not like they agree to the contract. teams can cut them before the contract expires too…not like they agree to the contract.

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]]> By: hixie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61163 hixie Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:22:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61163 Boy and I thought all the whining in the NFC North was coming from Favre...looks like the Teddy Bears are running a close second in that race. (they'll of course come in fourth at the end of the season) BEARS STILL SUCK! Boy and I thought all the whining in the NFC North was coming from Favre…looks like the Teddy Bears are running a close second in that race. (they’ll of course come in fourth at the end of the season)

BEARS STILL SUCK!

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]]> By: woodyjunior http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61162 woodyjunior Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:19:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61162 Damn agents feed the players the lines they want to hear in an effort to encourage this behavior. They are the only ones that profit from a hold-out. The player loses (valuable team-building and scheme-learning time), the team loses (continuity), and the ownership loses (ROI is down and bad PR is up). Ultimately, the fans lose because of all of the above. Apparently: Team = A Corporation Honor = Yourself Commitment = For Suckers Damn agents feed the players the lines they want to hear in an effort to encourage this behavior. They are the only ones that profit from a hold-out.

The player loses (valuable team-building and scheme-learning time), the team loses (continuity), and the ownership loses (ROI is down and bad PR is up). Ultimately, the fans lose because of all of the above.

Apparently:

Team = A Corporation
Honor = Yourself
Commitment = For Suckers

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]]> By: HarrisonHits http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61161 HarrisonHits Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:19:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61161 We've seen several players in the last couple years unhappy with contracts they signed a mere 2 years before. Pretty soon it will be holdouts for a contract they signed before the prior season. Then it will be the one they signed a couple months ago. There's no question Hester's a great player at what he does, but it is so limited I am disgusted by his holdout. We’ve seen several players in the last couple years unhappy with contracts they signed a mere 2 years before. Pretty soon it will be holdouts for a contract they signed before the prior season. Then it will be the one they signed a couple months ago. There’s no question Hester’s a great player at what he does, but it is so limited I am disgusted by his holdout.

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]]> By: etronsman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61158 etronsman Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:17:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61158 Umdayo - Yeah, because GMs really live up to their word all the time and keep players until the end of their contracts and don't cut them (many times right before training camp). It goes both ways. If a guy has outplayed his contract, he should get a new deal, and if a guy is slacking, he deserves to get cut. Umdayo -

Yeah, because GMs really live up to their word all the time and keep players until the end of their contracts and don’t cut them (many times right before training camp). It goes both ways. If a guy has outplayed his contract, he should get a new deal, and if a guy is slacking, he deserves to get cut.

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]]> By: Slow Joe http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61157 Slow Joe Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:15:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61157 #88 was taken in 2002 by Ike Hilliard. #88 was taken in 2002 by Ike Hilliard.

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]]> By: lightninglucci http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61156 lightninglucci Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:14:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61156 Why does everyone get so gung-ho about the fact that these players signed contracts and should have to honor them? Since the teams don't have to honor their end, why should the players have to honor theirs? Judgement should be given on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes the player is being unreasonable, sometimes not. Why does everyone get so gung-ho about the fact that these players signed contracts and should have to honor them? Since the teams don’t have to honor their end, why should the players have to honor theirs?

Judgement should be given on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes the player is being unreasonable, sometimes not.

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]]> By: VDogg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61154 VDogg Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:12:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61154 Is this really a surprise? Is this really a surprise?

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]]> By: Wrathchild http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61149 Wrathchild Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:07:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61149 I'm ok with players asking for more money if they outplay their contract, IF, they all agree at their teams can do the reverse to them. If some high price FA signs a mega deal and stinks the place up (Adam Archuleta), oh, well, sorry, we're cutting your salary to align it with our performance. Yeah, I know they can just cut the player, but it's the principle of the thing. I’m ok with players asking for more money if they outplay their contract, IF, they all agree at their teams can do the reverse to them.

If some high price FA signs a mega deal and stinks the place up (Adam Archuleta), oh, well, sorry, we’re cutting your salary to align it with our performance. Yeah, I know they can just cut the player, but it’s the principle of the thing.

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]]> By: aaeyers http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61148 aaeyers Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:07:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61148 Why is it that players are always pushing to try to get a long term deal, and then after a few years into it they decide they want a new one? I would think signing 1-2 year deals would be the most beneficial for the players because they get the most flexibility to do what they want, and will keep their compensation current with market prices. Why is it that players are always pushing to try to get a long term deal, and then after a few years into it they decide they want a new one? I would think signing 1-2 year deals would be the most beneficial for the players because they get the most flexibility to do what they want, and will keep their compensation current with market prices.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61147 empty13 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:06:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61147 return guys arent usually lights out forever. here is betting he doesnt ever have the same success again. return guys arent usually lights out forever. here is betting he doesnt ever have the same success again.

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]]> By: DWARE94 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61146 DWARE94 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:05:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61146 I disagree. If ever the was a "justified" holdout, it's this one. The Bears should have been proactive and bumped him up a bit, with incentive kickers for non-special teams production. Even if he never played a down on offense, though, Hester is worth more than $445,000, seeing as he had more TDs than any other player on that team, barring one QB (Griese - 10 passing). If you want to try and slither by, paying your top scorer under a half-mill, this is what will happen. That said, I agree that most holdouts are pathetically selfish and whiny. Just not this one. I disagree. If ever the was a “justified” holdout, it’s this one. The Bears should have been proactive and bumped him up a bit, with incentive kickers for non-special teams production. Even if he never played a down on offense, though, Hester is worth more than $445,000, seeing as he had more TDs than any other player on that team, barring one QB (Griese - 10 passing). If you want to try and slither by, paying your top scorer under a half-mill, this is what will happen.

That said, I agree that most holdouts are pathetically selfish and whiny. Just not this one.

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]]> By: yastreb http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61140 yastreb Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:58:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61140 I wouldn't consider working with the Bears quarterbacks "valuable time." I wouldn’t consider working with the Bears quarterbacks “valuable time.”

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]]> By: Umdayo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61137 Umdayo Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:56:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61137 These idiotic Prima Donnas - with all the talent in the world, can't live by their signed agreements. It used to be a man was as good as his word. Now he isn't even as good as his signature. The tail continues to try to wag the dog. A Pox on all of them! These idiotic Prima Donnas - with all the talent in the world, can’t live by their signed agreements. It used to be a man was as good as his word. Now he isn’t even as good as his signature.

The tail continues to try to wag the dog.

A Pox on all of them!

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]]> By: ShumaGorath http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61136 ShumaGorath Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61136 This is the first return he was expected to make ... but didn't. This is the first return he was expected to make … but didn’t.

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]]> By: ChrisJNelson http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61135 ChrisJNelson Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:54:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61135 Hester should have to prove himself as a receiver before the Bears give him a lot of money. He's not going to be able to return kicks and punts for touchdown at the same rate he has thus far because team will stop kicking to him, so he has to prove he has value elsewhere. Hester should have to prove himself as a receiver before the Bears give him a lot of money. He’s not going to be able to return kicks and punts for touchdown at the same rate he has thus far because team will stop kicking to him, so he has to prove he has value elsewhere.

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]]> By: spanky07 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61134 spanky07 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:54:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/23/devin-hester-a-holdout/#comment-61134 I just can't understand why the ball clubs just keep caving in to what amounts to a type of extortion with these players who sign a CONTRACT to play ball for X years at X price. And after their middle linebacker just screwed them, is there any doubt the club won't roll over again? I just can’t understand why the ball clubs just keep caving in to what amounts to a type of extortion with these players who sign a CONTRACT to play ball for X years at X price. And after their middle linebacker just screwed them, is there any doubt the club won’t roll over again?

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