Comments on: TAMPERING CAN HAPPEN WITH RETIRED PLAYERS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:28:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-58036 empty13 Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:40:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-58036 bob, the pack apparently owns the cellfone bf has been using to make calls to the VIKINGS. unless he is "double agent 004" intent on taking down doofus brad childress et al, then he just may have handed roger more incriminating info than he had on the niners/briggs tampering situation. lets see the transcripts and that will determine if it was reasonable to say the vikes tampered. i am inclined to suggest that the pack gave bf a lot of leeway hoping something mutually agreeable could be worked out. and that they finally had their fill. if it was all friendly fone calls, i would agree that the pack should get their hand slapped instead, but i didnt see that happen to the pats or the bears. someone sure has a bias against "suits". some unresolved anger, eh? bf has flip flopped a bunch since the end of the last season. t2 is keeping quiet and for all i know he is king a-hole. but at what point does the verbal diarrhea of bf get analyzed for what it is... bob, the pack apparently owns the cellfone bf has been using to make calls to the VIKINGS. unless he is “double agent 004″ intent on taking down doofus brad childress et al, then he just may have handed roger more incriminating info than he had on the niners/briggs tampering situation.

lets see the transcripts and that will determine if it was reasonable to say the vikes tampered. i am inclined to suggest that the pack gave bf a lot of leeway hoping something mutually agreeable could be worked out. and that they finally had their fill.

if it was all friendly fone calls, i would agree that the pack should get their hand slapped instead, but i didnt see that happen to the pats or the bears.

someone sure has a bias against “suits”. some unresolved anger, eh?

bf has flip flopped a bunch since the end of the last season. t2 is keeping quiet and for all i know he is king a-hole. but at what point does the verbal diarrhea of bf get analyzed for what it is…

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]]> By: Wrathchild http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57911 Wrathchild Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:41:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57911 @ URNotMe OMG, STFU, he's on the retired list, it doesn't matter. @ URNotMe

OMG, STFU, he’s on the retired list, it doesn’t matter.

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]]> By: watchthisjack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57903 watchthisjack Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:20:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57903 If, as some other posters are suggesting, this was a "pre-emptive strike" or a tactic designed to scare the Vikes away, ala the Lance Briggs/S.F. situation, would the cheese then be subject to disciplianary action? It would seem to me that division rivals can't just accuse one another of tampering whenever they see fit... Thoughts? If, as some other posters are suggesting, this was a “pre-emptive strike” or a tactic designed to scare the Vikes away, ala the Lance Briggs/S.F. situation, would the cheese then be subject to disciplianary action?
It would seem to me that division rivals can’t just accuse one another of tampering whenever they see fit…
Thoughts?

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57770 Bob S. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:49:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57770 "they filed it pretty quick, actually. either they have some good info or it was a “preemptive strike”. packers may not be able to prove tampering beyond a reasonable doubt. but it looks like a reasonable thing to accuse the vikings of doing. " yeah right. just because a suit working for the cheapskate packers makes a statement that means its true. favre cleary said that thompson lied saying favre never tried to gety the cheapskates to sign randy moss. so lying is not beyond them. i remember last year the falcons and espn all defending michael vick and pushing issue aside. i dont believe anything any suit and tie working for a big business says. “they filed it pretty quick, actually. either they have some good info or it was a “preemptive strike”.

packers may not be able to prove tampering beyond a reasonable doubt. but it looks like a reasonable thing to accuse the vikings of doing. ”

yeah right. just because a suit working for the cheapskate packers makes a statement that means its true.

favre cleary said that thompson lied saying favre never tried to gety the cheapskates to sign randy moss. so lying is not beyond them.

i remember last year the falcons and espn all defending michael vick and pushing issue aside. i dont believe anything any suit and tie working for a big business says.

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57765 Bob S. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:44:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57765 Patriots? Do you think Bill Belichck would be so stupid to start a battle with his star QB Brady like the jealous old loser Thompson is trying to do. When it's all said and done, you can stick a fork in Thompson's belly, he'll be well done! Patriots?

Do you think Bill Belichck would be so stupid to start a battle with his star QB Brady like the jealous old loser Thompson is trying to do. When it’s all said and done, you can stick a fork in Thompson’s belly, he’ll be well done!

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]]> By: truthsayer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57666 truthsayer Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:29:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57666 screaming sheep says: July 17th, 2008 at 6:08 am Actually, Junior Seau was under contract. I believe he had signed the deal with San Diego so he could retire a Charger. ---------------------------------------------------------- Players who do this generally sign a one day contract to retire with their old team. So, Junior was most likely not under contract when he had any discussions with the Pats. screaming sheep says:

July 17th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Actually, Junior Seau was under contract. I believe he had signed the deal with San Diego so he could retire a Charger.

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Players who do this generally sign a one day contract to retire with their old team. So, Junior was most likely not under contract when he had any discussions with the Pats.

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]]> By: DEKE952 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57652 DEKE952 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:11:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57652 Of course, it was probably Favre who thought he was using some leverage on Thompson by saying "If you don't want me, just give me my release, 'cause the Vikings told me they'd want me". He should just stay hiding behind his Mother's skirt and let let her and his brother do his talking for him. When he talks, he manages to send his friend Bevell and his former center Campen down the river, and he burns his bridges by calling his Head Coach and GM liars. Brett, that "itch" you feel is down your backside - stay home and scratch it. Of course, it was probably Favre who thought he was using some leverage on Thompson by saying “If you don’t want me, just give me my release, ’cause the Vikings told me they’d want me”. He should just stay hiding behind his Mother’s skirt and let let her and his brother do his talking for him. When he talks, he manages to send his friend Bevell and his former center Campen down the river, and he burns his bridges by calling his Head Coach and GM liars. Brett, that “itch” you feel is down your backside - stay home and scratch it.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57651 empty13 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:09:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57651 yes favre stepped in it. he talked tough especially on tv trying to get out in front of the pack in the public eye, with some pure bs. instead, t2 called his bluff. tampering. by a so-called hall of famer. wanna bet the pakc have taken better notes thru all this? they own the rights to fave playing for 2 years. bf's echo chamber can cry for him to be released all they want. a better idea would be to tell bf he has been a dumbass himself. lets see what team's signal caller goes down in camp/preseason, because that is where he would likely go. in bf's mind, do any rules apply to this prima donna? he said he retired. even if the packers ended that fone call immediately by saying "ok thanks bye click", he retired. they moved on. now he is perturbating them just because he can and because his echo chamber wants another payday. there is no child out there like a 40 year old child, folks. yes favre stepped in it. he talked tough especially on tv trying to get out in front of the pack in the public eye, with some pure bs.

instead, t2 called his bluff. tampering. by a so-called hall of famer.

wanna bet the pakc have taken better notes thru all this? they own the rights to fave playing for 2 years. bf’s echo chamber can cry for him to be released all they want. a better idea would be to tell bf he has been a dumbass himself. lets see what team’s signal caller goes down in camp/preseason, because that is where he would likely go.

in bf’s mind, do any rules apply to this prima donna?

he said he retired. even if the packers ended that fone call immediately by saying “ok thanks bye click”, he retired. they moved on. now he is perturbating them just because he can and because his echo chamber wants another payday. there is no child out there like a 40 year old child, folks.

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]]> By: darth_vincent http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57638 darth_vincent Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:54:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57638 Brett's contract was setup to lessen a cap-hit whenever he may retire -- The bonus money is only around 1.4million for these last 2 years. The contract still has 2 years 25 million left on it. The Player no longer has to file retirement paperwork, you only have to claim you have retired. The Packers put Favre on the Reserve/Retired list on April 25th. 2 months after his retirement press conference he held in early March where he clearly said he was retiring. Brett is now forced to ask the NFL Commish to be re-instated. Brett’s contract was setup to lessen a cap-hit whenever he may retire — The bonus money is only around 1.4million for these last 2 years. The contract still has 2 years 25 million left on it.

The Player no longer has to file retirement paperwork, you only have to claim you have retired. The Packers put Favre on the Reserve/Retired list on April 25th. 2 months after his retirement press conference he held in early March where he clearly said he was retiring. Brett is now forced to ask the NFL Commish to be re-instated.

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]]> By: pft-addict http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57636 pft-addict Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:49:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57636 As far as Brett filing retirement papers, it doesn't matter. The Packers placed him on the reserve/retired list. That makes him retired. This happened just a bit before the draft iirc, which seems like it coincides with the canceled trip the last time he was unretiring, then staying retired. As far as Brett filing retirement papers, it doesn’t matter.

The Packers placed him on the reserve/retired list. That makes him retired. This happened just a bit before the draft iirc, which seems like it coincides with the canceled trip the last time he was unretiring, then staying retired.

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]]> By: Brett Farvever http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57635 Brett Farvever Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:48:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57635 You know what, this is just another attempt by the GB front office to smear Brett Favre. They already know they are NOT going to release him via cutting him and they already know they are NOT going to trade him to the Vikings or Bears. So why file the tampering charges, especially if they dont have hardcore evidence? A ploy by TT to make Favre look like hes trying to go to the Vikings and crush little Packer hearts. ITs crap You know what, this is just another attempt by the GB front office to smear Brett Favre. They already know they are NOT going to release him via cutting him and they already know they are NOT going to trade him to the Vikings or Bears. So why file the tampering charges, especially if they dont have hardcore evidence? A ploy by TT to make Favre look like hes trying to go to the Vikings and crush little Packer hearts. ITs crap

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]]> By: Flying elvis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57631 Flying elvis Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:42:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57631 All I know is I'm surprised no one has found a way to blame the Patriots for this. You know how long it has been since a Patriots cheated story has been out there? This is a record. Maybe the Patriots paid farve to do this... wag the dog. All I know is I’m surprised no one has found a way to blame the Patriots for this. You know how long it has been since a Patriots cheated story has been out there? This is a record. Maybe the Patriots paid farve to do this… wag the dog.

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57627 Bob S. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:37:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57627 ESPY AWARDS LAST NIGHT Ted Thompson didn't win any keeping his record intact for NEVER winning anything. BUT Embattled quarterback Brett Favre was honored with an ESPY for Best Record Breaking Performance. He snapped Dan Marino's mark for most career touchdown passes. ESPY AWARDS LAST NIGHT

Ted Thompson didn’t win any keeping his record intact for NEVER winning anything.

BUT

Embattled quarterback Brett Favre was honored with an ESPY for Best Record Breaking Performance. He snapped Dan Marino’s mark for most career touchdown passes.

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]]> By: croxall http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57620 croxall Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:11:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57620 A few points. Someone asked if there was any bonus money left on the final 2 years of the Favre contract. I am 99% sure the answer to that is ‘no’. We know that the team made the allegation last week from the Fox report. My suspicion is also that the source for the Packers’ claim is Favre himself. I reckon that Favre blurted out that Bevell had stated that the Vikings would be interested in him in the infamous conference call he had with McCarthy and Thompson on 8th July. If that’s the case, and Favre confirms this when the league investigates, then the Vikings could be in trouble. Tampering is hard to prove, but a big part of that is that normally the player involved keeps his mouth shut – because clearly they don’t want to compromise relations with a potential new team paying them a lot of money. But if Favre has already flapped to the Packers, then he’s either going to have to sing the same tune to the league or admit that he was lying to the Packers. If he does the latter, then it’s going to undermine his leverage – bear in mind he has accused the Packers of telling half truths to him and to the public in the Fox interview. Given the current acrimony between Favre and the Packers, if Favre confirms the team’s allegation that might be enough evidence for the league to act against the Vikings. If my hypothesis that the source for this is Favre himself is correct, then I think it’s quite a shrewd move by the Packers either way. The Milwaukee J-S is reporting that the Packers have provided the league with evidence and information, and that they believe the case against the Vikings is strong. As for Bevell, if he’s discussed Favre playing for the Vikings, then it was foolish (albeit that he would be somewhat unlucky to get caught). Sure, everyone has buddies on other teams, but you can’t discuss stuff like this. Even if Favre brought it up, Bevell should have refused to discuss the matter. Really, it’s a matter of professionalism. A few points. Someone asked if there was any bonus money left on the final 2 years of the Favre contract. I am 99% sure the answer to that is ‘no’.

We know that the team made the allegation last week from the Fox report. My suspicion is also that the source for the Packers’ claim is Favre himself. I reckon that Favre blurted out that Bevell had stated that the Vikings would be interested in him in the infamous conference call he had with McCarthy and Thompson on 8th July. If that’s the case, and Favre confirms this when the league investigates, then the Vikings could be in trouble.

Tampering is hard to prove, but a big part of that is that normally the player involved keeps his mouth shut – because clearly they don’t want to compromise relations with a potential new team paying them a lot of money. But if Favre has already flapped to the Packers, then he’s either going to have to sing the same tune to the league or admit that he was lying to the Packers. If he does the latter, then it’s going to undermine his leverage – bear in mind he has accused the Packers of telling half truths to him and to the public in the Fox interview.

Given the current acrimony between Favre and the Packers, if Favre confirms the team’s allegation that might be enough evidence for the league to act against the Vikings. If my hypothesis that the source for this is Favre himself is correct, then I think it’s quite a shrewd move by the Packers either way.

The Milwaukee J-S is reporting that the Packers have provided the league with evidence and information, and that they believe the case against the Vikings is strong.

As for Bevell, if he’s discussed Favre playing for the Vikings, then it was foolish (albeit that he would be somewhat unlucky to get caught). Sure, everyone has buddies on other teams, but you can’t discuss stuff like this. Even if Favre brought it up, Bevell should have refused to discuss the matter. Really, it’s a matter of professionalism.

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]]> By: screaming sheep http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57590 screaming sheep Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:08:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57590 Actually, Junior Seau was under contract. I believe he had signed the deal with San Diego so he could retire a Charger. Actually, Junior Seau was under contract. I believe he had signed the deal with San Diego so he could retire a Charger.

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]]> By: afiresnake http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57578 afiresnake Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:13:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57578 But why does the following work: Vested veteran, unhappy with your contract and wanna skip camp, but don't want to be fined? Retire just before camp starts and unretire when camp is over. No more fines! ??? But why does the following work: Vested veteran, unhappy with your contract and wanna skip camp, but don’t want to be fined?

Retire just before camp starts and unretire when camp is over. No more fines!

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]]> By: BubbyBristershovelpass http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57577 BubbyBristershovelpass Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:06:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57577 John Madden says: Of all the tampering cases out there, this has to be the most Brett Favre-iest! John Madden says: Of all the tampering cases out there, this has to be the most Brett Favre-iest!

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]]> By: cliffclav http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57564 cliffclav Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:14:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57564 I was hoping for a peaceful resolution to the whole Favre saga. I am a Vikings fan, on Sunday’s I loathe the packers. But I have always been a Favre fan, the approach that he took to the game. No matter how sore he was, no matter how many times he was treated like a human piñata he was in the game. You have to admire someone who sticks with something when most others would throw up a white flag and quit. But now more than ever Favre should stick up for himself and his friends. The Packers are attacking Brett and trying a smear campaign against the Vikings. Go Brett file your reinstatement papers. Show up to camp, they will not want you there, but you owe it to yourself to make things right. They will have to start you or pay you an ungodly sum to sit on the bench, or they might have to cut you. You have a 66.66% chance of getting the desired results that you want. And even if things don’t turn out the way you would like them to, you will still have $12,000,000.00 more in the bank then you did when you started the year. I think the best thing you could do for Darrell is take up precious cap room and prevent the Packers from signing key free agents. Oh wait, that’s right Green Bay has no desire to sign free agents. I was hoping for a peaceful resolution to the whole Favre saga. I am a Vikings fan, on Sunday’s I loathe the packers. But I have always been a Favre fan, the approach that he took to the game. No matter how sore he was, no matter how many times he was treated like a human piñata he was in the game. You have to admire someone who sticks with something when most others would throw up a white flag and quit. But now more than ever Favre should stick up for himself and his friends. The Packers are attacking Brett and trying a smear campaign against the Vikings. Go Brett file your reinstatement papers. Show up to camp, they will not want you there, but you owe it to yourself to make things right. They will have to start you or pay you an ungodly sum to sit on the bench, or they might have to cut you. You have a 66.66% chance of getting the desired results that you want. And even if things don’t turn out the way you would like them to, you will still have $12,000,000.00 more in the bank then you did when you started the year. I think the best thing you could do for Darrell is take up precious cap room and prevent the Packers from signing key free agents. Oh wait, that’s right Green Bay has no desire to sign free agents.

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]]> By: Jake http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57561 Jake Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:05:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57561 Is there any signing bonus money still on the two years that are left on Favre contract? Is there any signing bonus money still on the two years that are left on Favre contract?

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]]> By: ZN0rseman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57552 ZN0rseman Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:34:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57552 If tampering consists of "inappropriate contact", then the Vikings should turn around and file tampering charges for "inappropriate contact" against all 31 other teams in the NFL. The NFL is a small world, players and coaches all have close personal friends on other teams who they stay in contact with. Bevell, Sharper, Longwell, Ferguson are all personal friends of Favre's. Every veteran player on every roster has personal friends on other teams... if they have made one phone call, or attended one golf game with any those individuals, than those teams have as much of a provable tampering case against every other team in the NFL, as the Packers do against the Vikings. $0.02, --Z If tampering consists of “inappropriate contact”, then the Vikings should turn around and file tampering charges for “inappropriate contact” against all 31 other teams in the NFL. The NFL is a small world, players and coaches all have close personal friends on other teams who they stay in contact with. Bevell, Sharper, Longwell, Ferguson are all personal friends of Favre’s. Every veteran player on every roster has personal friends on other teams… if they have made one phone call, or attended one golf game with any those individuals, than those teams have as much of a provable tampering case against every other team in the NFL, as the Packers do against the Vikings.

$0.02,

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]]> By: URNotMe http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57546 URNotMe Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:11:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57546 Wrathchild, you are just another person who posts on here like he knows what he's talking about when you really don't. Favre NEVER filed his retirement papers and said so in his interview. Get your facts straight! It's no wonder how so many rumors start. There are so many people who claim to be NFL experts that blab about things they know nothing about or don't have their facts straight! Wrathchild, you are just another person who posts on here like he knows what he’s talking about when you really don’t. Favre NEVER filed his retirement papers and said so in his interview. Get your facts straight! It’s no wonder how so many rumors start. There are so many people who claim to be NFL experts that blab about things they know nothing about or don’t have their facts straight!

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]]> By: cliffclav http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57545 cliffclav Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:10:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57545 This is a load of Cr@p. Green Bay is trying to smear Favre’s name into the ground. And also raise suspicion of wrong doing in the event that they do cut him and he signs with the Vikings. That way they can say "look, see Cheaters… Cheaters" And then All the fans in Green Bay will say that Favre was stolen from them by Minnesota. All the blame shifts to us instead of inept management taking the blame. This is a load of Cr@p. Green Bay is trying to smear Favre’s name into the ground. And also raise suspicion of wrong doing in the event that they do cut him and he signs with the Vikings. That way they can say “look, see Cheaters… Cheaters” And then All the fans in Green Bay will say that Favre was stolen from them by Minnesota. All the blame shifts to us instead of inept management taking the blame.

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]]> By: Twinkie defense http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57534 Twinkie defense Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:39:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57534 Isn't ANY conversation (short of "hi Brett") between Team A's official and Team B's player under contract by definition inappropriate? Isn’t ANY conversation (short of “hi Brett”) between Team A’s official and Team B’s player under contract by definition inappropriate?

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]]> By: Gub Rock http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57532 Gub Rock Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:23:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57532 Will Brett Favre just go away!!! This is planet Earth not planet Madden. We don't care about old, washed up QBs. Enjoy your fall from grace Brett. I always knew you were selfish and now I'm glad the rest of the world can see it first hand as well. Cry Baby Brett has always thought he is bigger than the whole Green Bay franchise. Way to go Brett! Will Brett Favre just go away!!! This is planet Earth not planet Madden. We don’t care about old, washed up QBs. Enjoy your fall from grace Brett. I always knew you were selfish and now I’m glad the rest of the world can see it first hand as well. Cry Baby Brett has always thought he is bigger than the whole Green Bay franchise. Way to go Brett!

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]]> By: Someone http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57526 Someone Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:05:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57526 Biggest load of sh*t I've heard. You can't talk to players from another team about stuff? Who knows what the talk involved. If Mooch was on an NFL team would he be accused of tampering for being an sympathetic ear for Favre? Biggest load of sh*t I’ve heard. You can’t talk to players from another team about stuff? Who knows what the talk involved. If Mooch was on an NFL team would he be accused of tampering for being an sympathetic ear for Favre?

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]]> By: nerdmann http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57516 nerdmann Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:36:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57516 ""You said that Bevell may have blabbed or someone in or outside of the Vikings camp, but what about Brettney himself? Can you imagine a heated argument between Thompson and Farve that ended up with Farve saying something like, “You may not want me, but coach Bevell and the Vikes say they do.”?"" This would not be unFavrelike. He just threw his buddy James Campen under the bus yesterday. “”You said that Bevell may have blabbed or someone in or outside of the Vikings camp, but what about Brettney himself? Can you imagine a heated argument between Thompson and Farve that ended up with Farve saying something like, “You may not want me, but coach Bevell and the Vikes say they do.”?”"

This would not be unFavrelike. He just threw his buddy James Campen under the bus yesterday.

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]]> By: RonO http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57514 RonO Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:33:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57514 Commish don't need no stinkin' hard evidence - ask the 49ers who were tried, convicted & sentenced by him without a shred of any kind of evidence hard or soft. Commish don’t need no stinkin’ hard evidence - ask the 49ers who were tried, convicted & sentenced by him without a shred of any kind of evidence hard or soft.

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]]> By: vegetable lasagna http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57512 vegetable lasagna Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:18:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57512 Do you mean retired or in Favre's case "retarted" Do you mean retired or in Favre’s case “retarted”

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57510 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:06:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57510 more cheaters! more cheaters!

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]]> By: Bud Grant http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57509 Bud Grant Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:02:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57509 It is curious that this happens just after Favre's appearance on Fox. It looks like an effort to take the heat off the Packers and make Favre look like the bad guy. No one in this soap opera is looking very good right now. I almost miss the Terrell Owens drama of past seasons. It is curious that this happens just after Favre’s appearance on Fox. It looks like an effort to take the heat off the Packers and make Favre look like the bad guy. No one in this soap opera is looking very good right now. I almost miss the Terrell Owens drama of past seasons.

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]]> By: Wrathchild http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57507 Wrathchild Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:00:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57507 "Not to mention he never filed his retirement papers, did he?" Yes, he did file his retirement papers, but it's irrelevant anyway, the Packers still own his rights either way. Anyway, do the Packers have to prove anything, or does the league just do their own investigation? I'm assuming that investigation would at least mean interviewing the Packers' management to find out what they know. If the Packers don't really have to provide much evidence, then this could just be chaff. “Not to mention he never filed his retirement papers, did he?”

Yes, he did file his retirement papers, but it’s irrelevant anyway, the Packers still own his rights either way.

Anyway, do the Packers have to prove anything, or does the league just do their own investigation? I’m assuming that investigation would at least mean interviewing the Packers’ management to find out what they know.

If the Packers don’t really have to provide much evidence, then this could just be chaff.

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]]> By: Luft Krigare http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57503 Luft Krigare Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:49:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57503 You said that Bevell may have blabbed or someone in or outside of the Vikings camp, but what about Brettney himself? Can you imagine a heated argument between Thompson and Farve that ended up with Farve saying something like, "You may not want me, but coach Bevell and the Vikes say they do."? Virtually impossible to prove, but I would not put it past him that this may be closer to the truth. Talk about the Madden curse screwing things up... I just want to see it in Cheeseland and leave the Vikings alone. Please! You said that Bevell may have blabbed or someone in or outside of the Vikings camp, but what about Brettney himself? Can you imagine a heated argument between Thompson and Farve that ended up with Farve saying something like, “You may not want me, but coach Bevell and the Vikes say they do.”?

Virtually impossible to prove, but I would not put it past him that this may be closer to the truth.

Talk about the Madden curse screwing things up… I just want to see it in Cheeseland and leave the Vikings alone. Please!

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57499 JoeSixPack Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:39:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57499 Well, I guess the righteous fans out there will soon be calling for an asterisk next to the Vikings this season for cheating on the tampering rule. Didn't the NFL dock the Dolphins a first round pick for cheating via tampering in their "perfect season" as well? With Goodell's "get tough" policy I'd expect he'll be even harsher on such cheaters now. Well, I guess the righteous fans out there will soon be calling for an asterisk next to the Vikings this season for cheating on the tampering rule.

Didn’t the NFL dock the Dolphins a first round pick for cheating via tampering in their “perfect season” as well?

With Goodell’s “get tough” policy I’d expect he’ll be even harsher on such cheaters now.

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]]> By: JackFactor http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57496 JackFactor Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:28:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57496 Maybe the Vikings just want Favre to stop by to see what an actual Super Bowl ring looks like. Wisconsin does not fall into Lake Michigan because Minnesota sucks! Maybe the Vikings just want Favre to stop by to see what an actual Super Bowl ring looks like.

Wisconsin does not fall into Lake Michigan because Minnesota sucks!

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]]> By: PkrNboro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57495 PkrNboro Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:27:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57495 does anybody know the "cut-down" date&time, when NFL teams have to reduce their roster to 53 players ?? does anybody know the “cut-down” date&time, when NFL teams have to reduce their roster to 53 players ??

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]]> By: PkrNboro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57492 PkrNboro Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:25:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57492 Can tampering happen with Miss YouCastr cheerleaders ? Can tampering happen with Miss YouCastr cheerleaders ?

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]]> By: bgman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57491 bgman Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:25:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57491 It does come across as a preemptive move by a paranoid Packer front office based on rumor. I no doubt Brett Favre talks with many of his former teammates and coaches. But if the Packers claim his talks with Darrell Bevell are a recruiting call, it does work to scare the Vikings away because Favre signing with Minnesota would appear to prove this charge true. The ironic part in all this is I don't think the Vikings are really as interested in Favre as Ted Thompson's paranoid illusions. It's really just a media speculation because the Vikings are the best team without an established veteran starter at QB. But Favre really doesn't fit in with what Brad Childress is doing. Childress wants a conservative QB to manage the game, make a few plays as needed, and not hurt the team by gambling or making ill-advised passes. Plus Childress in a control freak. The last thing he wants is a media circus and locker room disruption. Don't forget Childress was the O coordinator when the T.O. fiasco happened in Philly. I don't see him going out of his way to bring the same atmosphere to the Vikings. It does come across as a preemptive move by a paranoid Packer front office based on rumor.

I no doubt Brett Favre talks with many of his former teammates and coaches. But if the Packers claim his talks with Darrell Bevell are a recruiting call, it does work to scare the Vikings away because Favre signing with Minnesota would appear to prove this charge true.

The ironic part in all this is I don’t think the Vikings are really as interested in Favre as Ted Thompson’s paranoid illusions. It’s really just a media speculation because the Vikings are the best team without an established veteran starter at QB.

But Favre really doesn’t fit in with what Brad Childress is doing. Childress wants a conservative QB to manage the game, make a few plays as needed, and not hurt the team by gambling or making ill-advised passes. Plus Childress in a control freak. The last thing he wants is a media circus and locker room disruption. Don’t forget Childress was the O coordinator when the T.O. fiasco happened in Philly. I don’t see him going out of his way to bring the same atmosphere to the Vikings.

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]]> By: Tim http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57474 Tim Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:07:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57474 I hope Bevell didn't call Farve or Bus Cook to have a friendly, non football related conversation. That is obviously enough evidence to support tampering. Just ask the Niners... I hope Bevell didn’t call Farve or Bus Cook to have a friendly, non football related conversation. That is obviously enough evidence to support tampering. Just ask the Niners…

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]]> By: FormLikeVoltron http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57472 FormLikeVoltron Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:06:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57472 Who says they have hard evidence? All they may be trying to do is scare the Vikings off. Who says they have hard evidence? All they may be trying to do is scare the Vikings off.

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]]> By: nerdmann http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57469 nerdmann Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:03:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57469 Maybe someone in Minnesota isn't completely sold on Brad Childress. Maybe someone in Minnesota isn’t completely sold on Brad Childress.

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]]> By: chrhbt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57463 chrhbt Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:00:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57463 Brett Favre. The gift that keeps on giving. He may go down, but he's taking half of the NFC North with him. Brett Favre. The gift that keeps on giving. He may go down, but he’s taking half of the NFC North with him.

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]]> By: ForNila http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57460 ForNila Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:55:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57460 "How in the hell did the Packers know that Darrell Bevell and Favre were engaged in “inappropriate dialogue”?" Good question. No matter what, this really ought to force the issue and get it over with. “How in the hell did the Packers know that Darrell Bevell and Favre were engaged in “inappropriate dialogue”?”

Good question. No matter what, this really ought to force the issue and get it over with.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57455 empty13 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:48:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57455 they filed it pretty quick, actually. either they have some good info or it was a "preemptive strike". packers may not be able to prove tampering beyond a reasonable doubt. but it looks like a reasonable thing to accuse the vikings of doing. they filed it pretty quick, actually. either they have some good info or it was a “preemptive strike”.

packers may not be able to prove tampering beyond a reasonable doubt. but it looks like a reasonable thing to accuse the vikings of doing.

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]]> By: hikebowski http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57448 hikebowski Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:43:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/16/tampering-can-happen-with-retired-players/#comment-57448 Not to mention he never filed his retirement papers, did he? Not to mention he never filed his retirement papers, did he?

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