I’ve taken a couple of days for some family time in the D.C. area, and MDS and the rest of the gang have been holding the fort down capably in my absence.
On Saturday, I was out of the loop for most of the day, but I was able to check the MDS updates from my Sprint device.
The item posted earlier in the day regarding the position of Packers G.M. Ted Thompson as to the potential return of quarterback Brett Favre caught my attention, because it confirmed conclusively my theory as to Thompson’s attitude toward Favre in 2008.
With a 2007 season that exceeded expectations so significantly that it yielded long-term extensions both for Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, they both (I now firmly believe) concluded that the time has come to have the first Favre-free year.
It was inevitable that Favre would, at some point, not be a member of the organization. If Favre were to leave after a couple of mediocre seasons, a 5-11 record or worse in the first attempt post-Favre could have gotten people fired.
But with Favre “retiring” on the heels of a season that produced a high degree of job security for Thompson (and for McCarthy), both men could make it through a mediocre-or-worse season (or two . . . or three) with someone else calling the signals.
Favre’s attempt to return complicates matters, significantly. If the Packers tank in 2008, Thompson will be criticized for not allowing Favre to return as the starter. But Thompson also knows that, if he allows Favre to play for anyone else in 2008, and if Favre excels while Aaron Rodgers and/or Brian Brohm and/or Matt Flynn struggle, the decision not to re-embrace Favre could be enough to get Thompson fired.
And so the notion that the Packers would pay Favre a $12 million base salary to sit the bench behind Rodgers is all about Thompson trying to squeeze Favre to stay in Mississippi. Because Thompson knows that, if Favre pushes the issue and shows up for camp and is willing to hold a clipboard for $705,000 per week, Thompson will have to either delay the first post-Favre season to 2009 — or Thompson will have to let Favre go.
And so the best interests of the team, in our opinion, aren’t guiding Thompson. The best interests of the Packers, in the short term, point directly to re-installing Favre as the starter and trying to win the Super Bowl. The long-term best interests of the franchise arguably require getting another guy ready now, even if it means that the team doesn’t do as well as it otherwise could with Favre throwing the passes.
But if the franchise is willing to suffer a bit in the short term in order to get better even faster down the line, the franchise shouldn’t care about whether Favre plays for someone else in 2008 — and the franchise shouldn’t want to spend $12 million to keep it from happening.
So, as a practical matter, Thompson is simply controlling the potential P.R. consequences of his decision to suffer through the growing pains of football without Favre at a time when Favre still wants to play football.
Thus, Thompson’s current posture isn’t being driven by the best interests of anyone or anything othter than Thompson himself.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Very well said.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Ah, this is BS. TT is handling the situation well so far….He welcomed Favre back to the team when Favre was wavering back in March.
But enough is enough. The Packers need a full-time quarterback, and they need to plan for the long-term future of the franchise.
TT is going to make sure that - if Favre doesn’t play for the Packers - that we get something good in return.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I don’t buy this argument at all.
It hinges on the notion that Favre presents the best chance of competing in 2008, and downplays the idea of looking towards the future as being “in the best interests of the team”.
Favre’s 2007 has been a memory eraser. Nobody seems to remember the guy playing like rubber dog shit in 2005 and 2006.
Favre is now yet another year old, and given his waffling, he’s even less committed. Thinking twice about making that guy your QB is just a PR move? Please.
If I was a Packers fan (and I’m not, I pretty much consider the whole NFC to be of little consequence), I would be thrilled that my GM is starting the kid who has waited for years and remained hungry, instead of the old man whose commitment is as limp as those out pattern throws that DBs have started jumping all over.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:13 am
EXACTLY! The plan they employed with Aaron Rodgers in 2005 can be recycled right now with Brian Brohm. You have a first round talent hold the clipboard for 1-3 years behind Favre right now. Trade Rodgers, I bet there are plenty of buyers for a mid 20’s QB with no tread off the tires.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:15 am
This really has become Brett Favre Talk (BFT). It’s getting boring. I don’t think TT is doing anything wrong. BF has been holding the Packers hostage for years with his on again, off again retirement. Every year for the last few years, he couldn’t decide if he wanted to retire or not. The Packers drafted a QB in the FIRST round because of Favre’s indecision. They had to eat his salary for three years, waiting for BF to decide if he wanted to retire. Now that he finally made the decision, and the Packers drafted a backup QB, he wants to change his mind. Well, it’s too late now. Go away, and leave BFT alone, so that it can become PFT again.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:17 am
This could go to court. Farve still wants to play and earn a living. And the packers don’t want him to play cause he might play well.
Just a wild guess. But this might be an infringement of a person earning a living.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:21 am
sorry mike, i really like the work you do and the slants you offer but on this angle, i believe you’re wrong. the reason is simply thompson didn’t retire, favre did. that’s a fact. thompson didn’t renege when mccarthy and thompson were going to fly down to announce favre was coming back, favre did. favre’s a grown man, or so we are to believe, and he makes his own decisions. you’re right about one thing, thompson is certainly concerned about how the organization will handle to transition from favre to the next era, (in this case, rodgers). they would have gladly taken favre back in late march if favre had allowed them to do so when he expressed he “might” want to return. this whole deplorable situation is on one man’s shoulders and only one man’s, favre’s. there comes a point when an organization has to move on. favre forced them to do that. for a website that has continually lambasted the hemhawing of favre’s retire/not retire shananigan’s of the past 4 years, i would think that you would see where thompson and mccarthy are coming from. favre made his mind up, held an extraordinarily teary and emotional press conference stating he was done and thompson’s job is to do everything possible that the packers don’t miss a beat. that’s a tough task replacing a legend. if they were to hand the job back to favre at this point, they might gain a better qb but they will lose half of the lockerroom’s trust, a lockerroom that is filled with many players who will be in green bay long after favre is finally done. this is all on favre. they’ll still bring him back, but this is rodgers team at least to start training camp for better or worse. that’s the only honorable decision in this whole mess. keep up the great work.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Favre is out for the money! Period! I can’t beleive people are not talking about the fact that Favre has 36 million reasons to come back. This is the only reason he is coming back. Thompson can’t win whether Favre retires or not.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:24 am
What about the idea that the Packers could get something for Favre if they were to trade him. Now that it’s common knowledge to the other NFL teams that he wants to play and start and the only way its going to happen is if he is traded maybe teams will approach the Packers with offers.
Thompson’s job is to make the Packers franchise good enough to get to the Superbowl year after year. He’s turned the franchise around by doing close to nothing other than the draft so I don’t think he’s ever cared too much about job security. I can see why Thompson would not want to cut Favre as it could be handing the missing piece to their biggest rival which is not a good thing to do no matter what goals are in mind. Plus, the Packers would be getting nothing in return. Keeping Favre on the team may allow the Packers to take a weapon from the Vikings in return for Favre, possibly Chester Taylor, or some other quality player that could help the Packers.
Favre is under contract with the Packers and isn’t bigger than the franchise, no matter how much he has done. He chose to retire, if he wants to play so much and loves the game as much as he says he does he should ask to be put on the active roster now, show up to training camp like all the other players and ride the bench until when Rodgers gets hurt or the Packers admit they were bluffing. By retiring he gave up his right to keep the starting spot with not participating 100% in the team’s offseason activities. The Packers have the right to try to get something for him by trading him. If Peyton Manning decided to retire and unretire (twice) its not like the Colts would just cut him so he could sign with the Texans or any other team he wants.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Favre is coming back for the money! Period! Favre has 36 million reasons to come back. Thompson can’t win whether Favre retires or comes back. Your opinion is way off base.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Damn Florio. Do you dream about Farve’s situation, or secretly dream about a new lifestyle choice with Farve as the centerpiece?
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:31 am
also, for favre to ask for his outright release is not only ludicrous but not in the best interests of the packers considering who he might go to and the value he holds. joe namath didn’t become a free agent, joe montana didn’t become a free agent, steve mcnair didn’t become a free agent, jake plummer didn’t become a free agent. favre’s no different. lastly, you mention that they could develop a qb for the long-term, then what the hell is rodgers? isn’t that what he was doing for 3 years and possibly could be for a 4th? favre said himself this offseason he would consider coming back if the packers got in a jam. well, he’s managed to put them in a unprecented jam and he should honor his word and back up rodgers until he’s needed or win the battle in training camp.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Favre wants to play, but the STREAK is very important to him. TT’s doing a good job of controlling the situation, imo. Favre will be traded. He will NOT be the backup anywhere.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:42 am
I disagree completely. The Packers have made WAY more than 12 million off Brett Favre, they’re fine financially. Give us rumors and news, not half-assed opinions.
Thompson’s current posture is due to balls big enough to stand up to an immature man who craves attention and can’t decide whether or not to retire.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:44 am
“With a 2007 season that exceeded expectations so significantly that it yielded long-term extensions both for Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, they both (I now firmly believe) concluded that the time has come to have the first Favre-free year.”
It’s nice to see that Satan, I mean Ted Thompson, waited until AFTER Favre helped him get his long-term extension that TT decides to crap all over Favre.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Favre is coming back for the Money! Period! Favre has 36 million reasons to come out of retirement and it isn’t because he misses playing. You are a fool if you beleive it ain’t about the money! Thompson is in a no win situation, if Favre stays retired he i wrong if Favre comes back it puts them in a deep hole, salary cap wise, if he stays retired or is traded it is Thompson’s fault they can’t win. You are way off base on this one.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:46 am
The bottom line is whatever TT does, he will always end up looking like the bad guy even though this whole mess is Favre’s doing. It’s human nature to hate the establishement and scream “power to the people”.
Now that said, I disagree with your assertion that “Thompson’s current posture isn’t being driven by the best interests of anyone or anything other than Thompson himself.” The fact of the matter is that we have no idea what Favre thinks because he prefers letting mommy, brother and his PR of propaganda department director Al Jones to speak for him. Hell, with his track record, what Favre might be feeling today could very well change 15 minutes later! Once TT gets a response from Favre, then he will be in a better position to determine his next step. Call me old fashion but I believe that’s how a GM would work in these circumstances. I agree that there is no way he can play for a division rival. Other than that, he should shop around and get all he can for Favre. The thing is that who in their right mind will want to take a chance on him when he might change his mind before kick off. There is one good thing though, he would be a great asset from a marketing standpoint.
Hopefully his legacy will not be tarnished too bad. It’s sad it had to turn out like this. This was Favre’s wrongdoing. Plain and simple.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:47 am
“With a 2007 season that exceeded expectations so significantly that it yielded long-term extensions both for Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, they both (I now firmly believe) concluded that the time has come to have the first Favre-free year.”
That’s all well and good, but for the fact that it ignores the confirmed and unrebutted item that Brett changed his mind about retirement in late March, told Thompson of that change of mind, AND THOMPSON SAID “GREAT, WELCOME BACK!” So, we readers are left with more flawed reasoning on this story.
What you are missing on this, Florio, is that Thompson is doing what he is so that he can maximize Favre’s value to the Packers’ organization, not so he can avoid a PR hit. Favre is trying to back the team into a corner, and the team is reacting to that. Quit trying to stir up shit where there is none simply because it’s mid-July and you have nothing else to write about.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Um, this article doesn’t even make sense. You completely fail to take into account the possibility of a trade. You make the point that it is in the interest of the team to get someone else ready at QB, even if he isn’t successful right away - which seems to be TT’s plan. But then you make it sound like it would be in the Packers’ interest to let Favre play anywhere, getting no value by cutting him loose. You’re the one who is always saying that GMs talk up a guy to build up a market for him, why would you possibly choose now to take a GM at his word in a press release? Of course if Favre comes back and the right trade is out there, TT would make it happen. He’s just trying to keep Favre out of the division, something that is both good for himself and the Packers.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:51 am
YES! Finally somebody is making sense! It has been and will always be about Ted Thompson. It’s a load of crap! For those of you out in cyber world who hide behind their computers I challenge you to take a step out and look at the big picture.
#1 Aaron Rogers was Thompson’s first pick- he wants to show that HE made the right decision
#2 Ted Thompson did nothing to prove to Brett that he is still the best person to run this team….not saying that Brett needed someone to hold his hand and tell him that he can still play ball but it doesn’t help that he didn’t have the support of the front office
#3 A coincidence that Brett’s jersey WAS set to be retired on the first game of the season…not so much.
Ted Thompson knew exactly what he was doing from day one. Like many other posters have already said, TT has been wanting Brett out since he took over 3 years ago…just didn’t want to say it out loud due to the showering of bad PR that would be coming his way. If I were TT I would watch my steps around GB…there’s a noose around every corner with his name on it!
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Perhaps this is just posturing in order to get a decent pick for Favre. If you say you’re going to cut the guy, you have no leverage at all. Thompson deserves more credit than this….this is the same guy who has shipped malcontent Javon Walker and turned that into Greg Jennings; brought in James Jones and traded for Ryan Grant. Typical muckraking Florio, you’re better than that. I would think you’d be better than sportswriting Tom Leykis. The more important Packer story is Johnny Jolly. With the trade of Corey Williams to Cleveland, this could be a major issue for an up and coming defense.
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July 13th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Wait a minute, so, you made a comment, re-tracked a statement, then made it again. Perfectly symbolic of someone with a website,that watches a LOT of TV, has a few “sources”, then tries to get into the head of someone (with and NFL background) that is actually running the personnel-side of an NFL franchise. Of course job security comes into play when making any decision, whether you’re a HEad COach, GM, Personnel Dir. or whatever, but obviously you’re trying to win. This Favre situation is beyond any parallels and Thompson is screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn’t…stick to the facts…and “rumors” Appreciate it.
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July 13th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Thanks for sharing!
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July 13th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Maybe if Favre had helped develop Aaron Rodgers, the Packers would be willing to show him some good faith and release him.
You reap what you sow, media whore. THIS is how people are going to remember your career…as the selfish asshole who thought he was bigger than the Green Bay Packers.
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July 13th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Wow. Did you even read the comments in the private interview to the Journal Sentinel this afternoon. How can you possibly pin this on Ted? Appalled.
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