When the Detroit Lions picked Caleb Campbell out of Army in the seventh round of this year’s draft, he and the team thought Campbell would have the opportunity to play in the NFL this year, rather than serve in active duty like most of his fellow West Point graduates.
But that might not be the case. Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News is reporting that the Army is reviewing its interpretation of the policy allowing academy graduates to gain early release from their active duty service obligations.
Under the interpretation currently used, the Army says Campbell could be released from his active duty obligations if he serves 24 months as a recruiter in the Detroit area while a member of the Lions’ roster. But that interpretation could change.
“That’s where the rub is,” Army spokesperson Lt. Col. Anne Edgecomb tells Gosselin. “What is 24 months of active service?“
Apparently there is some question within the Department of Defense about whether helping out with recruiting while playing for the Lions would constitute active service. It is not clear when the final interpretation of the policy as it affects Campbell — and a couple of Army players who signed as undrafted free agents — will be decided.
If Campbell is cut from the Lions during training camp, this becomes a moot point: He would definitely have to serve in active duty if he’s not on an NFL team. But even if he makes the Lions, the Army might not let him play.
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
If he does make the team I really think that Uncle Sam should go ahead and let play. Of course the Amry is going to find somekind of lopehole and try to make a stink about it. Let him be all he can be in the N.F.L….
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Halleluiah!!
I know Army is rethinking the policy based on the ‘unexpected negative feedback recieved’, proudly including mine with multiple letters and two conversations with aides to both Senators and my Congressman.
The other two Army football players, Fullback Mike Vitti and the punter (don’t know his name) have both been cut from the teams that signed them so they are in the ‘moot’ category. There are still 3 Baseball players and a Hockey goalie from Army attempting to use the policy.
As I said my son is a Navy LtJG Seabee (Naval Construction) who has a degree in Chemical Engineering from CMU (NROTC Scholarship). I think that Chemical Engineering is a ’special talent’ and he has a gift for it. Why can’t he serve his ‘active service’ as a recruiter for two years (in the summer only), he could recruit many fine engineers I’m sure instead of going to Iraq or Afghanistan to stand along side his fellow warfighters?
The ability to run fast with a football, hit someone hard, hit a baseball, or stop a point blank shot on goal isn’t a ’special talent’ that merits relieving someone of thier obligation to serve to after $250,000 is invested in their training and education.
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
What? He would prefer livin’ large as an NFL celebrity wearin’ bling, smokin’ blunts and hoes hangin’ off eacg arm rather than dodge IED shrapnel in Iraq?
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
You do realize, don’t you, that he got a completely free education at West Point, and in fact they paid him to go there? In return, he made a commitment to serve his country. Why should they let him drop by a recruiting office occasionally instead of serving his commitment?
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
This is crap…the D.O.D. needs to figure out what the hell they are doing. Oh…wait, sorry, I guess that is expecting too much.
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July 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
1965-1968 that’s the time i spent in the service.
okay that’s out of the way.how does someone who’s
educated at taxpayer expense get to do what he wants,
when he graduates a military college.
i’ve always been of the opinion that when you sign up
for west point,you sign for the whole enchilada.that
means the time that is part of the contract.
i thought that the military was supposed to be egalitarian
how come he’s being treated differently?
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I know way too many people serving overseas to think that this guy should get to slide just because he can play football.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I can’t blame him for wanting to get out. He will probably end up in Iraq if he’s forced to come back. And don’t get me started on Israel-Iran war looming on the horizon.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
The Army couldn’t recognize a PR bonanza if it were gift wrapped and delivered to their door. IF he makes the team, then he would be representing the Army with a much higher profile than any assignment you could give him in downtown Baghdad. That’s the irony, send him to Baghdad, keep him in Detriot, does anyone see much difference?
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
First off Bill in DC you are an idiot. Is engineering on TV every Sunday with millions of people watching? Don’t compare engineering to the best sport in the world. That said I think that his obligation shouldn’t be eliminated by making an NFL roster but just pushed back until his NFL career is over. The average NFL career is a very small window and I don’t see why they wouldn’t let him take this opportunity and then serve his country.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
All it states is that their trying to figure out what “24 months” of active service is, and I’m sure they will determine the time he is with the Lions will not count as time served with the Army. Look I served too, I know some of my Army brethern want this guy to serve his term, but come on if your a gifted athlete you should get a shot to go professional, It would also serve the Army better to have a proffessional athlete recruiting young men and women for the low-low price soldiers get paid, not to mention the free PR, then it would be to have just another wet-behind-the-ears butter bar. But thats just my opinion.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
“dolfan3248 says:
July 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
If he does make the team I really think that Uncle Sam should go ahead and let play. Of course the Amry is going to find somekind of lopehole and try to make a stink about it. Let him be all he can be in the N.F.L….”
If he didn’t want to serve he shouldn’t have signed up and accepted the free education! I don’t recall Roger Staubach ever complaining about having to serve his 5 year commitment to the NAVY prior to joining the NFL.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
hikebowski: Why should the fact that NFL is popular keep someone who got educated free at taxpayer expense from serving his military commitment just because he can play football? Bill in DC is NOT an idiot. He makes a great point. Why is the ability to catch, throw, run, with a football so much more valued than an engineer, or a teacher, etc. Doesn’t make much sense. As a taxpayer, I want him to pay back all of the money for his education if he gets out of his commitment. He should have a decent salary from the Lions.
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Bondem, I am saying that he should still do that just after his career in the NFL is over. I am not saying he shouldn’t serve, I am saying he should serve his full term as if he were just getting out of West Point when he is no longer on an active NFL roster. As far as why is throwing and catching and blah blah blah more valuable, because we all watch it on Saturday and Sunday. The entertainment value is higher and you wouldn’t be surfing this website if you didn’t have the same opinion. If engineering TV was on at the same time as the playoffs would you watch it? I don’t think so and that is why it is more valuable. Also which one pays more? Hence more valuable?
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July 10th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Moonbeam,
I also served 88~94 (VFW, desert storm) and have to disagree with one of your statements. He isn’t really being paid to be in the military. Looking back, I do not know what I was thinking while in (LOL). He IS paid by the tax payers….he pays taxes (military pay is not tax free). Therefore, he is, in theory, working for free…..this dawned on me when I was scrubbing floors and working in the galley….for free.
I agree with Jimmy Smith. It is great PR for the military and only a fraction of these people have a “gift” that allows them to play a sport. So, the “free rides” on tax payer dollars (including his) are minimal.
Besides, I know many people who served at the same time as me that never went over seas while I spent 3, 6 month tours in the Persian / Arabian Gulf.
I also remember during that time, there were doctors/dentists who were reserves complaining that they would lose their livelyhood if they had to “fulfill” their commitments. THESE are the people you should be complaining about. This kid is not saying he does not want to honor his commitment….these idiots (doctors/dentists mentioned above) took the “free rides” for their education and expected to not have to protect their country. You join, you KNOW you may have to give your life defending your country. This is not Russia, we have a voluntary military.
Although not paid for by tax dollars, not every kid gets a scholarship to a college either. Should we complain about that being “biased”?
Give the kid a break. It is not HIS fault they have a policy and he is able to take advantage of it because he has a (possibly) high paying talent. Anyone would.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
One guy in Iraq isn’t gonna make a whopping difference. One NFL player in a Detroit recruiting office would be a HUGE help to the recruiters who are already breaking their backs (and in some cases fabricating and/or omitting important information) to get guys overseas.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
I spent 9 years active duty and deployed to Iraq for Desert storm. Bill in DC talks like a daddy. Bottom line - the military does what it thinks is in the best interest of the military. If they believe that this guy serves them better by being a public service announcement as an NFL player then who are we to argue.
If the guy as a recruiter and PR man for the Army brings in 100 men who become officers then the money invested in him was well spent.
If he is good enough to play, let him play. If the military thinks it is in their interest to have a guy serve active duty while he is in the NFL then somebodies daddy shouldn’t be wasting the time of our do nothing Congress trying to screw someone else. Our Congress has enough trouble thinking and chewing gum at the same time. They don’t need overburdensome daddies like Bill filling up the phone lines.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Why do I get the feeling that this is just a publicity grab by the DOD? They grab some attention and then end up letting him play because of the positive coverage. Think of the photo-ops with him in his Lions jersey. Think of the analysts talking about Campbell and his story during every Lions game. Think of the NFL Films piece on Campbell and his story airing in regular rotation on NFL Network. What better recruiting tools could the Army wish for? THAT is how the Army gets it’s value
The policy should have been defined before the draft. I believe it was and this is merely an attention grab by the Armed Forces which needs it badly in today’s world. He should have never been allowed to apply for the NFL’s annual selection meeting if he was not going to be allowed to play.
He will be allowed to play and he will serve his time on active duty when his playing career is over. If, that is, he actually begins a playing career.
There are more important topics out there, folks. Have you guys heard that Brett Favre is thinking about playing this year?
Vote hikebowski in 2008.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Bill in DC is a moron. Running fast and hitting someone hard pays the best football players about $100 million more than the best engineer.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
@ moonbeam
If he makes the NFL, the money he will pay in taxes, even from a minimum rookie contract, will cover the cost of his education and more. Besides, anyone who attends a state university is recieving a tax payer subsidized education. So that point is moot.
I agree that he should not be able to just walk away from his obligation. He should be held to his 24 month obligation and it should be for the time spends in the off season recruiting, not a straight up two year period.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I’ ve never served in the military, but I am a season ticket holder for Navy football (whatever that counts for). A little off topic, but, I actually had the opportunity to speak with Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo about the Army policy. He said he has had a few commitments flip over to Army after the policy was announced. Anyway…
I think letting the West Point grads go directly into the NFL is a good thing, but to let them out of a serious commitment by pulling recruiting duty is a joke. I believe they should simply delay their entry into the regular Army until their NFL career is over. In most cases, with these kids, that will be very short lived.
However, they should put more guidelines around that. If they are in the NFL for even a year, they are going to need to be trained up again, and they should have to pay for that, monetarily. I think for every year they are out of the regular military and in the NFL, they should have to pay a portion of their “scholarship” back to West Point, but still owe the full five years when their career is over.
Being an athlete at an academy and having that “skill” is a little different than being an engineer. When you graduate with an engineering degree, or any degree for that matter, you can utilize those skills during your service commitment, and after your commitment. However, except in the rarest of cases (Staubach), you will have no opportunity to professionally play your sport after your five years are up.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
bondem777,
“Why is the ability to catch, throw, run, with a football so much more valued than an engineer, or a teacher, etc. Doesn’t make much sense.”
Because this is America. Although highly paid, I do not see too many teachers, nor engineers, getting a $7M signing bonus. You want NFL players to stop making so much, put together a boycott with about 40M other people (I would say stop watching but one person not watching does not put a dent in it).
I would much rather see firemen, policemen, teachers, military personnel make the millions rather than some one playing a game.
But, again, this is America, if there were no demand for football, they would not make the millions they do. As hikebowski basically put it, if watching a particular “field” on TV were in demand, THEY would be making millions of dollars at it instead of what they currently make. Supply and demand my friend.
Go talk to your Govenor and tell him/her to up your taxes so your teachers can make millions.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
ppdoc,
Well said.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
@ wrathchild
funny thing is, most of the guys who go to the military academies, whether they are athletes or not, are engineers of some kind. they tend to be, uh, smart.
just thought i would point that out.
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Well the bills dropped Mike Viti (fb) so i guess he no longer apply’s to that rule
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