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These few weeks before training camps open are a dead time in the NFL, so it was nice of ESPN to survey the NFL’s 32 head coaches and give the fans a lot of material for arguments.
The latest report from that survey: NFL head coaches were asked to identify which player they thought teams would select first overall in a league-wide draft of current players, if every single player in the league were available.
Twenty-nine of the 32 head coaches responded to the question, and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady won handily, with 22 votes. Colts quarterback Peyton Manning was second with six votes.
The one other vote went to Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, which probably means that Dolphins coach Tony Sparano decided to vote for Taylor in an attempt to give the impression that there’s a burgeoning trade market for him.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
When Manning goes a year with Reche Caldwell as his number one reciever and gets the Colts to the AFC Championship, I’ll call this a close race… until then… it’s Brady with a BIG lead.
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July 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
ThePeoplesChampion says:
Manning did it without a defense for most of his career, and the Colts running game has been up and down since they drafted him.
Uhhhh….Ok. Up and down, lets see…
Marshal Faulk
Edgerin James
Domanick Rhodes ( first undrafted rookie to run for 1000yrds in 1/2 a season.)After James got hurt.
Josheph Addi
Where exactly is the down?
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
yinz need to get off your knees and stop blowing brady and manning and open up your eyes. HIGHLY OVER RATED! both of them are. and you wanna talk about playing in the SB. if i do believe Peyton Manning did not have the best SB performance the one (and only) time he was there. and i do believe Brady cost his team the SB last year. so get off the manning/brady ban wagon and support a real team / QB
and by the way if yinz aint a stiller fan then yinz aint shit!
I am calling it and will put 5 bones on it the Big Ben does better than both of them this season
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
TCLARK, you can’t spell worth shit.
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
TBIH,
How many years jhas Manning been without a first round pick Wr or a first round pick RB?
I do agree that if your primary receivers are locked HOFers in Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, or David Patten, you should have a top rated offense. Brady failed them. All I can say if Jerry Rice can get into the HOF and David Patten can’t, the entire HOF is a joke. Can anyone seriously say that Jerry “I am a Product of Joe Montana” Rice is half as good as David “I would be the greatest WR of all time if my QBs didn’t hold me back” Patten? Seriously?!?
So how long have you been a “mainstream sports media lemming”? You do realize this was a poll of NFL HEAD COACHES and neither the media nor the fans don’t you? What does media have to do with 22 of 29 head coaches selecting Brady over anyone else?
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
End of argument.
90+ rating games
Manning has had 101 90+ games out of 160 starts 79-22 record or 63% of his starts.
Brady has had 56 90+ rating games out of 110 starts or 50.9% of the time. In the 56 games that Brady had a 90+ qb rating his Patriots were 55-1.
Games with a 69.9 rating or less
Manning has had a 69.9 rating or lower in 29 starts with a 6-23 record or 18.1% of his starts.
Brady has had 22 out of 110 starts or 20.0% of the time. In the 22 games that Brady’s rating was less than 69.9 his Patriots were 11-11.
90+rating games
The Pats score 31.0 ppg vs. giving up 16.0 ppg in Brady’s 56 90+ rating games,
while the Colts score 32.3 ppg vs. giving up 22.2 in Manning’s 101 90+ rating games.
In the 69.9 or below games.
Manning & the Colts scored 14.4 while giving up 27.0 ppg.
Brady & the Pats scored 16.5 ppg while giving up 17.8 ppg.
Brady has lost 2 games when scoring 24+ points.
Manning has lost 17 games when scoring 24+points.
Manning has lost 6 games when scoring 30+points.
Brady hasn’t lost when his team scores 30 points.
Thanks for playing.
For those of you that need a translator, the answer is Peyton Manning.
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
This thread is drowning in a sea of vinegar and water.
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I C light pounder:
I’ll take your bet, gladly. Are we talking TD/INT ratio? Team Win/Loss record? Passing Yards?
I mean, seriously name it, and I’ll take your bet. I hate Peyton, but I’ll gladly take some suckers 5 “bones”. Hell, wanna make it a couple hundred since you’re so confident in Big Ben ROFFLESburger?
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
@Robo767, put the crack pipe down and step away from the keyboard.
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Brady’s first great receiver translated into him breaking the single season touchdown pass record and the receiver getting the td reception record. He made Deion Branch look so good that the team got a first round pick for him and he made David Givens an ungodly amount of money out the door. He’s got the jewelry and now has the records. Anyone who disparages him is an idiot. As for Manning, he’s on the same level as Brady and nobody else is. Both are great quarterbacks and you could argue it either way. 2007 was the first year that Manning’s supporting cast fell off (Harrison hurt and aging) and Manning fell off. So maybe Brady gets an edge for now.
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
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July 7th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I C light pounder,
I agree. Future HOFers like Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel, David Patten, David Gives, Antowain Smith, etc. carried Brady all those years. These guys are like a Who’s Who in first ballot Hall of Famers over the next ten years.
God, when you look back at that receiving corp, it’s amazing what he’s done. Jesus, they really were awful.
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
“I C light pounder says:
July 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
yinz need to get off your knees and stop blowing brady and manning and open up your eyes. HIGHLY OVER RATED! both of them are. and you wanna talk about playing in the SB. if i do believe Peyton Manning did not have the best SB performance the one (and only) time he was there. and i do believe Brady cost his team the SB last year. so get off the manning/brady ban wagon and support a real team / QB
and by the way if yinz aint a stiller fan then yinz aint shit!
I am calling it and will put 5 bones on it the Big Ben does better than both of them this season”
Well after reading that awful comment, it’s official that your drivel is awful and doesn’t have much meaning. Good job butchering the English language idiot!
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Let’s not forget that this poll was conducted using NFL coaches as the responders. My take, being a Patriots fan, I like it and I agree; but, I say this honestly, it is a win-win with these two. They are 1 and 1A with nobody else in their class. I have been watching Brady and Manning from the beginning of their careers. Peyton started out in the AFC East so I have followed him intently. He is an amazing football player. Brady has worked as hard or harder than anybody to get to where he is. Like I said, they are in a class by themselves in today’s NFL. Sorry Steeler fans, Ben is great too, but not in their class. As a matter of fact if Ben does not get an improved OL for pass protection he won’t last. He is too much of a warrior in as much as he will tuck-it and run instead of getting rid of the damn ball! Favre is a living legend. Marino was a once in a lifetime passer. Joe Montana is the benchmark to which they all are measured. We are all lucky to have the NFL. It is going to be a great season in 2008.
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
My guess is the coaches chose Brady over Manning because of Manning’s lack of leadership. Brady can turn into a whiney little baby when he loses too, but Manning tossed his O-line under the bus on national TV.
Big Ben doesn’t belong in the same conversation
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Tom Brady cost his team the SB last year says IC LightPounder…you really have no sense of the game do you? With the pressure Brady received all game it’s a wonder he didn’t throw three picks. He had a very good game as well as the rest of the team sans their O line. I won’t take anything away from the Gents, but that O line played like Nick Kaczur handed out his goodies to them…Go back and watch the game if you can, because I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just drunk and didn’t really pay attention.
Not to mention the Rodney Harrison of old would’ve laid out Tyree instead of letting him come down with that Velcro catch.
I’ll give Brady the nod just because he engineered some drives that were just downright clutch, not that Manning isn’t but Brady just comes out on top in the bigger games more than…
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Robo, don’t you know most of the people who post on this site know more than most of the HC’s in the NFL? I find it funny that anytime there is a post Patriot related which article gets the most hits.Its great that another season is about to begin & once again we have the best QB in the NFL.To all the Steeler fans,Big Ben is good but not in the same conversation. Sorry, but the coaches have spoken.
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Several posters need to put down their football magazines and actually watch the games. For years, there’s been a misconception that Manning has a better arm than Brady. Nothing could be further from the truth. Manning is an excellent passer, but has average arm strength, which is greatly camouflaged by playing indoors. In the dome, or even in road trips to his SOUTHERN rivals, Mannings wobblers are not affected by the elements.
Brady, on the other hand, throws tight spirals, can throw it harder, farther, and all this while playing outdoors, in the northeast. Brady has the proverbial “big arm,” while Manning is more like Dan Fouts ( a timing passer).
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July 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
wingnut,
I gotta do crack to deal with your stupidity. Imagine reading your stupidity while being sober?
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
sarcasm,
It is the end of argument. You have successfully argued that Manning had much more talent on offense around him which helped him pile up better statistics while Brady had more talent on defense that helped him amass more wins. Your stats really doesn’t end the debate on who is better though.
I think that debate will never be firmly decided unless Brady continues to amass Madden type numbers with Randy Moss as his primary WR or Manning still puts up good numbers with both Harrison and Wayne out of the line up. Both guys have had different weapons to work with on both sides of the ball to really say definitely who is best. You can argue one over the other, but there will never be consensus with what we know now of the two.
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Of course, Brady is better, THREE SUPER BOWLS WON to
Peyton, I’mAWalkingAdvertiser, has WON one.
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
The question was: What player would most NFL head coaches choose? THEY chose Brady. Start your own poll if you must, but this discussion is over. So say the coaches.
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I don’t know how this conversation came to this, but Palmer is better than Ben and Anderson isn’t even in the top ten. Hey, I should be a poet.
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Manning with one WR:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29337&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2007&week=REG10&override=true
Brady with no WRs:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29191&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2006&week=POST20
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July 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
@sarcasm - you forgot the only statistic that matters… super bowl wins… Brady has more of them. I take Brady.
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July 7th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Most actresses and supermodels prefer Brady to Manning as well…
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