Though they haven’t been sharing their views publicly (perhaps so as not to suffer a neck-breaking), we’re hearing that there’s near (if not complete) unanimity among NFL player representatives regarding the need for a rookie wage scale.
So says one of the player reps, who obviously isn’t inclined to risk a broken neck by attaching his name to his views.
The thinking among the reps is that the players clearly want it, and that it will be included in the next Collective Bargaining Agreement. (If, you know, there is one.)
Though not articulated this way by our source, the sense we’re getting is that the players don’t care about pretending that they want the current rookie windfall system so that the subject can be a bargaining chip in negotiations with the league. The players recognize that they benefit from a system in which teams drafting in the top ten aren’t forced to pay a huge chunk of money over a five-year or six-year period to a player who might eventually contribute nothing to the greater good, and they apparently aren’t inclined to warp that basic reality as an act of labor-management gamesmanship.
Thus, we continue to believe that it would be very wise for Upshaw to cave on this issue — or at a minimum to quit talking about it. Political movements often are launched by a single issue, and Upshaw’s failure to reflect the will of the rank-and-file on this point could be the fuel for his downfall.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
no no no florio. encourage capo gino to keep arguing about it!
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July 2nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Imagine how pissed off the rookie crop will be when this takes effect. The guys before them will be driving Bentleys, and they’ll be driving Subarus (all wheel drive, though, so they’ve got that going for them).
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July 2nd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
This is good news for NFL fans. It’s at least some sort of indication that the players know their interests are best served by being reasonable at the bargaining table. Hopefully, the owners follow their lead and get a deal done quickly.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The insane money that is thrown at these unproven rookies also causes some of them to lose their “drive”. Pay them less and make them earn that payday…give them something to work towards.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
it really seems like a simple issue to fix. the league already has performance based pay in place. simply make the scale out of it. just have different values in place based on the round the player is drafted, maybe even a scale for the first (and second) rounders based on where they go in the round. bonuses are paid at the end of the year depending on playing time and stats from the league (paid by the league so teams dont have to think about cutting a productive rookies time/reps to cut stats and save money). all rookies get a three year contract, or perhaps 2 years for high round picks and 3 for low round picks or vice versa…whatever. after the contract expires, the player is an exclusive rights free agent and cant be franchise or transition tagged (though i think those need to be revised or deleted from the next agreement anyway). it takes away the pressure to play high round draft picks too early because of the financial investment, and leaves a larger part of the pie for the proven veterans (even if they reduce the percentage paid to the players). agents then dont need to worry about negotiating contracts with the teams so they can focus on the endorsements. the teams get their players into camp on time every year. the team gets some of their money back into their own pocket. veterans arent overshadowed by the paychecks of the lowly rookies. so really everyone wins. except the rookies…but they don’t deserve the contracts they are getting now anyway. and who knows, perhaps the big windfall all at once is encouraging some of the behavior we see from young players who get into trouble…theyve got the money to blow so why not. let them grow up before they get all the money. ok - i rambled a little bit there….sorry pft planet
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Yeah.. Make them earn their paydays…
The owners are yelling about the bottom line in one breath and throwing millions at unproven talent with the next breath.
It’s only good for the rookies and the agents. It’s irresponsible money management if a Reggie Bush earns more than a Larry Johnson.
I think Gene is headed for retirement. Anybody seen Troy Vincent around?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
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Just because the player reps are against a rookie scale doesn’t mean that the saved money goes back to the fan. A certain percentage is alotted for the entire league. What they want is for the rookies to be paid on a rookie scale and the rest of that big money will be relegated back to the veterans. Which seems fair for saavy vets hanging around the league.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I agree this rookie wage scale needs to implemented.
Gene Upshaw is the Matt Millen of the NFLPA. That guy needs to be forcibly removed from his post.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
So make every rookie a RFA. Then let the team that drafted them pay what other teams are willing to give him or recieve a comesurate draft pick in return.
There is already a rookie cap.
Draft better in the top 10 and you will not waste your money.
Every year there are multimple players not taken in the top 10 that any team in the NFL would gladly pay top 5 money.
Just because half the top 10 picks turn out to be disapointments, does not erase the fact that the other half turn out to be good picks.
If you play SS, FS, CB, RB, TE, MB, C, or G or FB, you want someone to be pick #1 overall at your position. That is the main way the bar is raised.
When Vernon Davis and Kellen Winslow were picked in the top 10 for the first time in a long time for a TE, they instanly raised the bar and got more money for Heap, Gonzalles, Gates and any of the other proven TEs who were coming up on the second contract.
The same thing happened when Roy Williams got drafted and Sean Taylor for the saftey position. Long undervalued compared to CB, they pushed the bar way up and guys like Ed Reed and Troy Polamau, Bob Sanders, all got to see CB type money because of them.
The system as is does not take any money out of the vetrans pockets to sign rookies. The guys who are proven and underpaid have to look in the mirror, at thier agent, and at the fact that they made 10 times as much money as the guys who were 10 year vets when they were rookies.
There are a lot of things that should be changed about how the money is distributed. Some form of arbitration system that rewards a little extra for vets without directly costing the teams more would be much more fan friendly. I am sick of seeing good veteran players cut just because they have too high a cap number on a backloaded “Contract” the team had no intention of paying. Not because the team they play for signed a top dollar rookie.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Total misread of the situation in my humble opinion. Firstly Upshaw has a majority of players on his side because he won for them a great CBA last time round. They ask for him to show them the money and he did, big time. The recent comments of the 49er players rep illustrate that point very well. Upshaw will be in charge through the current negotiations and way beyond whatever Florio thinks. Secondly, anyone who doesn’t think the owners would use a rookie salary cap to lower the players revenue share is hopelessly naive. Much more naive than Upshaw. The chances of any money “saved” from rookie salaries being awarded to vets is absurd. Lastly I repeat my earlier view that any attempt to impose salaries to overturn market forces is a thoroughly bad idea. There is no rule, written or otherwise, that forces owners to pay these huge rookie contracts. They do it because its good business for them, pure and simple. Who are we to deny those rookies the money that the market as said they are worth?? What’s next? Pay scales for coaches? Pay scales for owners? Pay scales for fans?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I have wanted a rookie wage cap for a long time. This will be good for the players and fans as it will allow teams to retain favored veterans that would otherwise be cut loose.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Name 1 vet player that was cut because the team they play for gave some rookie too much money.
Normally the veteans are replaced by a much cheaper rookie, not a more expensive one.
Only 10 teams per year have the opportunity to over pay, and if they draft the right player, they can turn the franchise around. They can always just trade the pick also. No one is putting a gun to owners head and forcing them to write contracts above market value, but when compared to Hollywood salary or Billion dollar severance packages for oil execs, I really don’t think the owners are hurting to pay the bills.
They already underspend the cap by a collective 400 million per season. Why would they give any veteran more money then they already have to?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Jeremiah,
Vets are cut for cheaper rookies
because the draft signees have used up
a disproportional share of the wage pool for their sevices
when they are unproven.
Experienced vets leave the game faster.
More inexperienced players are in reserve while quality vets can’t find a job…
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July 2nd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
If all this has done anything…it’s gotten the mass of fans to forget and overlook the most insane part of it all….the AMOUNT of money being paid to ANY of the players…much less Gene Upshaw….
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July 2nd, 2008 at 6:29 pm
if you really think that vets will reap the benefits of this you’re not very bright. the cleveland browns aren’t complaining about joe thomas contract. an unproven rookie? all he did was go to the pro-bowl. if your team can’t draft in the first round that is no one’s problem but their own. if you begin restricting their contracts then they should be able to pick the team of their choice. and who is going to stick up for the andy katzenmoyers or david pollacks of the nfl who break their necks for a contract that isn’t guaranteed? if you restrict the pay the contracts also need to be guaranteed. see if the owners go fot that because we all know the answer to that question. How much money is Cedrick Benson making right now? hmmmm o dollars because he doesn’t have to be bought out. you cant have your cake and eat it too!
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July 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Every dollar a rook makes, someone else cant.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I think the real answer is to move more towards performance based contracts. Base salaries can be based on a wage scale, and save the big money for performance based pay. This solves two problems…the underperforming top picks and the over performing middle or bottom picks. For every Ryan Leaf pocketing unwarranted millions, there are two or three Marques Colston’s stuck playing for peanuts.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pm
If the kid is a stud, let him come in and prove it. Then he will get paid like the vets that have already proven themselves.
If the kid is so-so, he will get paid so-so. Meanwhile, leave more for the proven vets…
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