In May, Titans center Kevin Mawae told ESPN Radio’s Colin Cowherd that the amount of money being paid to unproven rookies is “a little disheartening.”
The comments were surprising, given that Mawae is now the President of the NFL Players Association. Indeed, the Executive Director of the NFLPA, Gene Upshaw, has made it clear that he will never agree to a rookie wage slotting system.
Apparently, Upshaw has since coerced a little sense into Mawae. Speaking to NFLN’s Adam Schefter from the rookie symposium in Atlanta, Mawae now seems to be working from Upshaw’s talking points.
“We’re talking about a very small population of the players coming into the league making that kind of money,” Mawae said, “and I said before and I’m saying now that I’m sure it’s going to be a point of contention and something we’ll be discussing during the Collective Bargaining Agreement [negotiations].”
But if the players want what the owners want on this point, it’s not a point of contention. It’s a point of agreement.
Sure, it’s a small population of rookies who are affected by this, but there’s a lot of money. And history tells us that only half of the players taken at the top of the draft ever earn it. So why not take that money and make it available to the players who have proven themselves, year in and year out?
As long as any new system allows the Larry Fitzgeralds and the Joe Thomases and the Mario Williamseses of the NFL to be rewarded once they perform, it makes perfect sense to prevent guys like Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith from pocketing millions in exchange for, in the end, nothing.
Still, it was smart for Upshaw to reel in Mawae. Because the goal of collective bargaining is to make a concession and get a concession. If the players aren’t able to persuade the NFL that they hope to keep the current system for paying rookies, the players won’t get anything in return if/when they agree to a slotting structure.
The problem, however, is that when it comes to the input of veteran players, the cat is out of the bag, and it has clawed all the furniture (and pooped in Upshaw’s bowl of Grape Nuts). The league knows that the veteran players want to contain the money paid at the top of the draft, and no matter how hard Gene pounds his fist about it, the reality is that the rank-and-file disagree with him.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
“and no matter how hard Gene pounds his fist about it, the reality is that the rank-and-file disagree with him.”
as do most of the fans.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Maybe Upshaw promised to break Mawae’s freaking neck.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
The problem is that with a hard salary cap, the more money that is paid to unproven rookies at the top of the draft,
the less money that there is available for proven veterans. The pie is only so big and it stands to reason that a
veteran who might have made a Pro Bowl or two but might have been a low round draft should get more than an unproven rookie
drafted high. It’s a crap shoot with rookies and you could get a Peyton Manning or a Ryan Leaf….
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Its a setup by the NFL. They are going to try to split the NFLPA to gain more leverage. They are going to keep making statements to get Upshaw to keep making absolute statements one way or the other. Then the list of dissents continue to grow.
Once the union breaks apart or away from Upshaw, the players will be lucky to get to 55%. Of course to save face, the union will claim to get 61% of some football revenues.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I just came from lunch and heard Cowherd on the radio. I was shocked to hear him actually talking about sports! Of course on the way to get lunch he was talking about hybrids and everyone going green. I guess I don’t really get that show.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Bunky, bunky…. how many times do I have to tell you, the LITTER BOX, the Litter Box!
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Dude…he pooped in his Grape Nuts? That sucks!
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I am ick of the rookies getting the money that the vet should be getting. I would wager that we would have less whining from the likes of Chad Johnson if they had thte money to begin with.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
If the owners want it, the players want it, the commissioner wants it, and the fans want it, I don’t understand why its not getting done; just do it already.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
One thing that doesn’t get a lot of play - it would also help prevent a lot of holdouts and/or publicity stunts.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Obviously Mawae got slapped by Upshaw. The players hate the fact that unproven little piss-ant rookies get ridiculous money, but everything is a bargaining chip. The NFLPA will “give this one to the owners” at some point in exchange for something else.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
You hit the nail on the head this time. Realistically Upshaw doesn’t care whether they have a pay scale or not, he is just being hard-headed b/c he wants to trade a rookie pay scale for something else from the owners. Just as you said, “the goal of collective bargaining is to make a concession and get a concession”, therefore if he is going to make a concession on rookie pay scale then he wants something in return. The bigger deal it appears that rookie pay scale is to him then the more he gets in return.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
the 1998 draft is a great standpoint for this argument. the obvious flaw being the Manning/Leaf debate. But there are also the runningback debate as well, with the phenomal Fred Taylor going AFTER Curtis Enis.
Taylor has had to earn everything he got, and Enis, well, didn’t work out so well.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I dropped Gene Upshaw off at the pool this morning.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
The reason it took Mawae so long to clarify his comments is that it is difficult to talk with Gene’s fingers around one’s throat.
The Players’ Union needs to get over the idea that some people are entitled to millions of dollars just because their name is called before someone else on one day in April. Heck, it’s not even if you get a Peyton Manning or a Ryan Leaf, it is that because Ryan Leaf got x millions several years ago as the first pick, today’s first pick must get y millions. Each year the current system demands higher and higher salaries for each slot, not based on any reasonable calculation but simply that it be more than the person got at that slot the year before.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Who is Mawae’s agent?
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Another by-product of a rookie salary cap is that college players might not be enticed into coming out of school early, thus making the NFL appear to be supportive of education, and giving the teams another year or two to evaluate potential blockbuster players, to see if they’re just busts. This would also improve the quality of the college game as well.
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Or in the case of Maio Williams, you could get a freebie riding FB, who still isn’t contributing squat or VY, who dances with naked men, and can’t throw a TD, while focusing on the centers bottom half.
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I think Upshaw is right about this one. What about NFL owners leads anyone to believe they will be giving the money to veteran players and not just putting in thier pockets. Terry Glenn going to get his full salary or be forced into taking a paycut?
The NFL does not reward players for what they have already done. Big contracts are given to those players who are in demand, based on what they actually may or may not do in the future.
There is also a player development system in place that rewards the top NCAA footballers with that big NFL payday for proving himself on the collegiate level.
To take away the carrott the donkey is chasing would surley tip the cart of the gravy train that is pro football.
TO SAY A GUY WHO WAS DRAFTED IN THE TOP 10 OF THE nfl HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING IS RIDICULOUS.
They have been playing football for a long time already, basically for free, and have proven to at least on GM that they are the best possible player available. Just because that may not turn out to be the case, does not mean the player was wrong, it does not mean the system was wrong, it means the guy who gave him the money was.
Young free agents can simply point to the top pick that year at his position as a starting point for contract negotions. The contract the top rookies get every year is based on what the guy got the year before, as is almost every free agent deal.
Upshaw still has got to go, but that does not mean he is wrong on this particualar issue. NFL vet players will not get more money just because rookies get less. This will not help get them gauranteed contracts or bigger bonus money.
The people who point to the NBA system need to remeber the NBA rookies get garanteed contracts, and have a much lower chance of getting thier neck broken.
The NFLPA would surley trade a rookie wage scale for faster free agency and gauranteed contracts, but to simply give away a barganing chip such as this for nothing would be beyond foolish.
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I definately think the pay for high end 1st round draft picks is way out of hand. How about having a fixed rate for how much first rounder can make as a base salary and then have reasonable performance based bonuses for games started and others based on the position they play like yards rushing, catches, sacks, etc. Probably would be way too complicated but if it was set up as a rookie first round pay scale across the league it would be fair. The rookies that perform up to their hype would do well while the busts would also be paid fairly. I bed there’d be fewer busts with this system since there’d be a better incentive to play hard and produce on the field. Just a thought.
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
AMAZING!!! If you rearrange the letters in J-e-r-e-m-i-a-h-W it spells GENE UPSHAW!
Dude, are you SERIOUS??? There are only a FEW players each year who reap the benefits of the current system. Your mentality on this one is akin to a lottery ticket being a carrot for the millions who get Jack $hit for their hard work in order to purchase a chance at millions.
And I don’t think anyone has said that a guy drafted in the top ten hasn’t done anything…what the majority contend is that a guy drafted in the top ten hasn’t done anything in the NFL to justify such a windfall. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Looks like Florio can stop using Mawae as an example of someone who disagrees with Upshaw.
Anyway, Jeremiah W from is correct. OWners are pricks and they arent gonna give squat to the vets who “deserve” the money. Terry Glenn is a great example. So is any other beat up vet that is getting paid squadoosh compared to the rookies.
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Veterans would get more money. The Dolphins could use the majority of the money they payed Long to get more higher quality veteran players to shore up their team instead of praying that this kid is the real thing. If he is not, they have to pay a boatload of money next year to a kid they hope is the real thing. Instead they could bid for the good players and that would drive up value for veterans. There is parity to some degree in the NFL, but we keep seeing the Raiders and Dolphins and other team consistently at the top of the draft charts. They need this money for proven players. They could probably evaluate talent a little better, but its all a crapshot anyway. Just my 2 cents
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pm
svnrdr, first of all I never said the current system was fair to vet NFL players, I just said changing this part of it, in exchange for nothing would not help the cause of the NFLPA, which is to get more money for the players, all of them, not just the ones you already know and love, but the entire group. The key to getting the things they want is exploiting the little points of leverage they already have, like rookies who are not going to be worth the big money driving up the price of the vets who are. What other leverage do they have in a system that has most players out of the NFL before they become elgible for free agency?
Nothing about the way veteran players are currently treated leads me to believe that they would actaully benifit by saving the owners some money when they make bad contracts, that they don’t even have to fully pay.
How much money did Ryan Leaf actually get? Did he really hamstring the Chargers salary cap for years to come, or did they just dump him after 2 seasons and move on. NBA and MLB owners eat bad contracts like that for breakfast. Try shelling out 110 Million for a LHP who was on steroids the whole time he was in Oakland, and now can’t stay healthy or get anyone out.
For every Ryan Leaf, there are 5 guys like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis or Todd Heap that were taken at the bottom of the first round and outplayed most of the vetrans at the position for years before they got paid like it.
Ray Lewis still makes 3 million per year less than Melvin Mora (38 yr old, possibly, 3rd baseman for the Sorryoles)
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July 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
There are two major things to remember here people:
The NFL may have a salary cap, but it ALSO has a salary floor.
This means a certain percent of the salary cap HAS TO BE SPENT no matter what.
If its not going to untested rookies it HAS TO GO TO VETERANS, plain and simple.
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