On Friday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell described the current rookie pay system as ridiculous.
On Sunday, NFL Executive Director Gene Upshaw returned the favor.
“I think it’s ridiculous that he would make such a comment,” Upshaw told the league’s incoming rookies at the league’s annual symposium for first year players, per Adam Schefter of NFL Network.
“We’re not in the position to try to take money from anyone,” Upshaw said. “Our job is to make sure you get as much [money] as you’re entitled to and not be restricted by anything else. We have never agreed to such a system. I don’t see us agreeing to such a system in the future.”
But Upshaw apparently is ignoring the comments of various NFL veterans, including NFLPA President Kevin Mawae.
“As a guy who has been in the league for 14 now going on 15 years and being around other veteran guys, for a young guy to get paid that kind of money and never steps foot on an NFL football field, it’s a little disheartening to think of,” Mawae told ESPN Radio’s Colin Cowherd last month. “It makes it tough for a guy who’s proven himself to say ‘I want that kind of money’ when the owners, all they’re going to say is, ‘Well, you weren’t a first-round pick.’”
Upshaw has yet to articulate a compelling reason for keeping the current system. The best argument came to us from an agent with no history of representing the players at the top of the draft. As the agent explained it, those ridiculous contracts can help a very good player get an even better second contract, which then helps veterans who become eligible for new deals.
For example, the contract given to Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald, which included a ridiculous cap number in 2008 and 2009, forced the team to sign him to a four-year, $40 million deal.
Though Fitzgerald is a great player, he’s not a $10 million-per-year wideout. The value of his second deal will provide a solid basement for receivers who will be eligible for big money in 2009 and beyond.
But for every Fitzgerald, there’s an Akili Smith or a Joey Harrington, who gets big money and does nothing to help raise the bar at the position via an even bigger veteran contract. Surely, there has to be a way to account for the 50-percent failure rate of high-end draft picks, and direct that money to the NFL players who have earned that pay through sweat and blood.
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June 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Gene Upshaw is a box of tools; not to be confused with a tool(box).
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June 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Florio, Upshaw is saying let the free market decide rookie pay and not some set of rules imposed by others according to their agendas. For example, Goodall only cares about the owners and wants to make them even richer than they are today, he doesn’t give a flying fk for older players. Upshaw’s way is the way the rest of America works in case you haven’t noticed. To artificially constrain anybody’s salary is a pinko, dirtball commie way of thinking. How would you like it if I decided bloggers got paid too much compared with real journalists and limited what you could earn??? Bet you’d be the first one whining to your congressman.
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June 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
The whole point upshaw is exactly what you said. They are not “entitled” to anything because they have never suited up for an NFL game. This guy is amazing…….
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June 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Hey Mr. Mike,
Upshaw is only sucking up to the Young Bucks because they will be around longer to support his Directorship.
The Veterans won’t be around as long so, to Upshaw, they can pound sand.
And the retirees? They are yesterday’s news so, to Upshaw, they can rot.
That pretty much seems to reflect Gene Upshaw’s attitude, doesn’t it? He ignores the health and support needs of retirees, and does little respect the veteran salary and security needs.
I say give Troy Vincent a shot, and soon!
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June 30th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Why cant these players just replace Upshaw. Its obvious that the veterans arent happy with him. I dont blame them, the rookie pay scale is a joke. The NBA has a pretty good scale where they make a low amount for the first few years. If they prove themselves they sign max contracts at the end. You dont hear much complaining over there. If the people this guy is supposed to represent arent happy with him. then he should be replaced just like anyone else in management would be
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June 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
It’s almost like you ave to explain it to Upshaw using 5th grade math metaphors. The rookies are getting 3 slices of pizza and veterans are struggling to get 1 slice. And Upshaw is saying you can’t stop them from getting as much pizza as they can even though the owners aren’t providing any more or any less pizza than they have been all along
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June 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I detest Gene Upshaw and believe that he is one of the most most pompus, arrogant, uninformed leaders of Anything this planet has seen in recent history.
He blocks people from advancing through the ranks, he makes statements that belittle anyone who disagrees with him, he disagrees with the majority of the people he represents, the majority of his public statements have little-no factual wording but lots of animosity & strong language within which makes him come off like Roger Clemens or David Stern and he violates or attempts to circumvent rules/regulations/ideas which he invokes into agreements & league law.
He will do anything & everything to keep everyone he can in the dark during the upcoming rounds of CBA negotiations b/c he wants to stay in power until he keels over & dies b/c he doesn’t give a rat-@$$ about anything except the 24karat gold lining of his pockets. If not teaching, not letting others experience things, not helping his chain-of-command officers, cripples the players union he won’t give a **** b/c he will stubbornly hold onto every scrap he can so that the sports agency (CAA i believe) that represents him keeps feeding him more money per year than his own job salary does.
I hate the very essence of his being, he doesn’t care about retired players whatsoever & does (almost) less than whats absolutely minimally acceptable in helping veterns and/or retirees with anything at all. He is the epitomy of greed. If he could he would clone his DNA (without his wife’s if possible) so that Gene Upshaw 2.0 (not jr) could attempt to strangle every dime out of the league possible with no regard to fairness of investment (of which the owners contibute billions) or giving back anything to the community which pays 100’s of millions in tax dollars he would be the happiest man in the universe. If it were within his power stadiums would be owned by the players agents & you wouldnt be allowed to attend a game without an authorized tax form proving you make @least 7 digits (without decimals) annually. GTH Gene Upshaw!
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Wow… Strong negative feedback around here about Gene, huhhh?!? LOL
Gene is in the pocket of ownership at all times,except when he can solidify his position by doing otherwise. But he never seems to really stand for his rank and file guys…
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Upshaw reminds me of a big city mayor. He is an idiot, corrupt, and is running the city into the ground. Everyone knows these things, but every time he gets reelected.
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I nominate billsfanaddict for post of the year!
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Upshaw sucks. He should be deposed as soon as possible.
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
TED i like the big city mayor thing except he’s more like the “victorious leader” Mugabe of zimbabwe. If someone stands upto you, says your corrupt or runs against you, then elminate them & everyone close to them to solidify your power.
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Ron0,
I’m not certain about which part of the “rest of America” you are referring to, but I can certainly tell you that there is NO other job that I can think of that pays an individual who has never produced at a professional level more money (not to mention guaranteed money) than others in that particular industry.
Not only that, but what I don’t understand is why Gene Upshaw continues represent these COLLEGE players (because they are NOT NFL players nor are they represented by the union until they sign their rookie contract) with greater fervor than the current and former players.
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June 30th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Andrews cheated on his girlfriend? Well what do you expect he has been hanging out with Belicheat to much. Come on Patsy’s if your going to cheat you guys need to learn how to not get caught.
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Is Goodell a good guy? No, he won’t necessarily fight for retired players, he doesnt seem to mind owners giving fans the squeeze, he cleaned the Patsies flim trail and he works for (is the puppet of) the owners.
Sure All Thats True. But when he speaks (on most subjects) he can use facts & reason, he thinks before shouting/insulting, he has put a fear into the players that was sorely needed, he seems to care about the nfl’s image & viability (upshaw couldnt possibly care less), he has the ability to do things that are in the interest of others & not constantly for him, himself & he and he was thrown into a bad position by Tagliabue & the owners (except Mike Brown & Ralph Wilson).
He isn’t a puppet of the agents which unlike the owners couldn’t care less about anyone or anything, the lesser of two evils I’d say. An agent will drop a client if he wants to do a deal that helps the team in almost anyway. Owners practically force thugs to clean up their act or they’ll cut them and black-ball them. You think agents care at all if players volunteer in their communinties, no ******* way, thats free work, they dont get a slice of that pie. But owners need their players to be (somewhat) decent human beings for the most part otherwise people may get sick of their antics & stop supporting the crap they do/represent. The agents would roll the bills so players could snort their life savings away, as long as its not a contract-extension season. Owners want winning teams for various reasons but agents could care less as long as their clients are the top paid at their positions.
He certainly aint perfect but I’ll take goodell’s side over upshaws any day, purely based on the fact that he can/does attempt to represent more interests than just his wealth & well-being. RON0 open your eyes, upshaw is as corrupt as they get & in no other business do the players or laborers make more money than the owners, investors or risk-takers.
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June 30th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Should be a cap for rookie salaries at a certain amount like the NBA. But their also should be an opt out clause for the player after the first year if the rookie out preforms the contract. The contract Long signed is ridiculous for a player who has never played a down in the NFL I agree. But a player like Adrian Peterson who out preformed 95% of the veteran running backs last year should not be stuck playing for a 3 million a year contract maximum when he has proven himself as an elite running back.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:37 am
I think this whole issue about a rookie cap is going to be a big mess. Your going to have vets complaining about more money, even though some of them don’t deserve it. Olders players who are in there thirties wanting to get payed like players in there twenties. Your going to have rookie players play one year, and if they do good, demand for more money. I think this is going to cause more hold outs then ever before. But its the owners fault this is even happening.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:48 am
It’s these big pay days that cause the owners to use the PSL’s to help pay for them. Joe Fan will continue to pay for the Rookie big bucks. Not that if the salaries were lower the PSL’s would be revoked, I’m not that naive :o)
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:09 am
Hey, I earned my money!
Ryan Leaf
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July 1st, 2008 at 7:10 am
If Gene Upshaw were smart (and there is no evidence of that being the case), he would seek compromise on the rookie pay system in favor of keeping money elsewhere in the total deal. It is indefensible and yet Upshaw is digging in his heels on the one issue where he could be demonstating reasonable thinking. What an idiot.
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July 1st, 2008 at 8:10 am
I don’t buy the argument that the rookie salaries translate into great salaries for the veterans because it’s the second contracts of the impact players who dictate the salaries for the other veterans.
And the players who are franchise tagged receive salaries of the 5 salaries at the players’ position (top 10 for the transition tag). However, the top rookie salaries are not factored in because most of rookie money is in the form of bonuses—not yearly salaries.
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July 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm
capo gino been workin over old mawae…
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July 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
RonO:
While I’d agree you in principle as it would apply to the free market in general, your statement contains a flaw. The free market doesn’t have a salary cap. The free market doesn’t equally split a portion of revenues among all business owners.
The NFL blends in a little bit of socialism into its economics. Both the NFL owners and players have agreed to this modified system. So, to argue against a facet of that system based purely on the principles of captialism is incorrect.
BBrophy1:
Your pizza analogy hits the nail on the head. The size of the pizza doesn’t change, just how you cut it up. A rookie salary cap only means the rookies get less slices. The vets get more. The whole pie still gets eaten.
And that’s what’s wrong with the agent’s scenario in the original post. He says that the rookie salaries drive up the veterans salaries. Well, if there was a rookie salary cap, the veterans would be able to ask for more of the pie, thus driving up other veterans salaries.
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