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Though, by all appearances, the Detroit Lions did not know about the pre-draft arrest of linebacker Jordon Dizon for DUI, the Lions cannot credibly claim that they had no knowledge regarding the July 2007 arrest of first-round pick Gosder Cherilus, an offensive tackle from Boston College.
The incident was reported on July 6, not long after it occurred.
And so both the Lions and the Chargers will earn 10 point in “Turd Watch II,” given that each player was selected despite a pending misdemeanor charge of assault and battery and a felony charge of assault and battery with a deadly weapon.
This gives the Lions the overall lead with 30 points. The Titans are in second place with 25, and the Eagles and Broncos are tied for third with 22.
For the Chargers, it’s their first 10 points of the year. Only six teams have zero points, and we’re less than five months into the Turd Watch year. The teams with no points are the Redskins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Rams, Buccaneers, and Ravens.
Last year, four teams emerged with no points — the Patriots, Cowboys, Eagles, and Lions.
Ironically, the Cowboys (who have rolled out the welcome mat for guys like Tank Johnson and Pacman Jones) are the only franchise with no criminal incidents since we started tracking arrests and convictions in February 2007.
So, obviously, teams continue to embrace players who have had trouble with the law, still drafting them as high as round one. Absent meaningful consequences when teams take such risks, and when such risks blow up in their faces, teams will continue to regard football talent as far more important than off-field conduct.
June 26th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Other teams besides the Bengals taking risk on character players? Your joking right? What next, arrests?
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:13 am
“teams will continue to regard football talent as far more important than off-field conduct.”….about time the Lions get on board and get and get some talent…Superbowl!!!….Just win baby, just win!!!
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:29 am
How do the Eagles have 22 points. I used to like the turd watch, but it seems as though it was skewed to include more teams. IDK how on earth the birds got 22. Patterson was exxonerated on the pot charge, ikeguono has trial pending? The eagles are the class act of the NFL when it comes to behaved players on and off the field. Its an embarrasment to be third in standings when there hasnt really been one incident that even made the news. Maybe we’d be better off having our recievers get drunk and emasculated in Vegas. Or how about Pacmans points carry over to the cowboys. I guess when your team is ran the right way people will eventually start looking for any way possible to include you with the trash of the league so everyone doent feel singled out! Its a joke, THIS IS THE FIRST BAD THING I HAVE EVER SAID IN REGARDS TO PFT.COM! Any other Eagles fan who sees this will undoubtedly say the same. I want a show of how those 22 points were accrued, and get a life. The fact that we’re mentioned anywhere near the broncos or Lions or Titans is a joke. Go head’ other teams fans, give me your best Eagles slams, but theres no way anyone can say that the Eagles have player misconduct comparable to other teams, because that would be false. We are one of the top 3 -4 operated organizations in pro football, and pro sports for that matter.
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am
The Bengals are only in 12th. They really need to pick it up. Hopefully Shirley can help along that front line.
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I think the Cowboys prove there’s a flaw is basing a team’s character by by number of arrests (or turd points).
How to the Cowboys bring in a bunch of thugs and not have any arrests and teams like the Bengals have multiple players with arrests? I think a lot has to do with the area’s treatment of star athletes for the local teams.
Some areas may a zero tolerance for sports stars who think they’re above the law and the local residents appreciate that the police keep order; some areas have police forces that either sweep things under the rug or the individual police officers don’t want to be vilified for being the ones who arrest someone (especially if the arrest impacts the team’s ability to win).
So a player for the Bengals may get a DUI with a .09 on a Cincinnati freeway, but the same guy, if he played for the Cowboys, may just be asked for his autograph and wished good luck in next week’s game if he is pulled over for speeding and running a red light with a .16.
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Maybe you should take a look at what the Cowboys are doing to
help players stay out of trouble.
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:38 am
The National Felony League is alive and well and living up to their name…
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Does JJ have better control of his players…or old fashioned control of the media and police?
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June 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Why are the Bucs not on this list with at least 10 points? How can the re-signing of Jeremy “the Rapist” Stevens not be considered a “Turd” move?
The Bucs should get 10 point “Turd” bonus’ for the “Turd” GM Bruce Allen even considering this move and 10 more for John Gruden wanting this “Turd” on the team. Just when we finally rid of our “resident wife beater” Michael Pittman, now with the Denver Donkeys, many fans in Tampa Bay are wondering what the Bucs were thinking even going near this “Turd” Stevens? This one “Turd” is not going to make a difference in the “vaunted Tampa Bay Offense” which hasn’t shown up since the Super Bowl win.
Since the signing, all Stevens, Allen and Gruden have been roasted in the print, radio and TV media locally. There have been reports that season ticket holders are dropping the Bucs left an right BECAUSE they re-signed Stevens.
Wake up Florio and smell the triple stink - we have a “Turd pile” down here in Tampa - the GM, the Head Coach and the Rapist Tight End.
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Eagles 3rd in the league? Ridiculous. Recheck your numbers, Mr. Florio.
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Florio must be counting the Reid boys in there too!
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:24 am
hey bgman, you seem to forget 3 players in the Dallas area that were not given special treatment by local police or media. Nate Newton, Eric Williams and that HOF wideout Michael Irvin.
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:29 am
How can points be added for pending criminal charges? Jack Ikeguono has 2 PENDING charges, yet the Eagles have been hit with those points????WTF Is that? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Its how American Justice works. How can the eagles be given 22 points for a pot bust that was overturned because it was pattersons brothers, and for a rookie cb that has pending charges? If thats how things work, lets give the cowboys 20 points for things pacman could do in he future, and lets give the Bills 25 cause James Hardy’s most likely gonna get in trouble in his career. Tampa got no new points for Jeremy Stevens? Yet, therethe Eagles sit at 3rd with 22 phantom points. Im going to the Eagles message boards to start a riot over here, I give FLORIO 25 Points in the turd watch for this! I hope young Florio never gets in law trouble, but, since there’s a chance he might during his teen years, lets get the court to give Florio a few fines in advance, just in case he gets in trouble and MIGHT be found guilty. This is garbage, im enraged over this embarrasment to one of te cleanest franchises in the league! They wouldnt have drafted Ikeguono unless they were sure he was gonna be cleared of all wrong doing. YOU GOT THIS WRONG MAN, CHANGE IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!INNOENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. What happens when the COP who is PFT’s biggestfan sees an opposing teams player driving and harrases him just because thats all it takes for Florio to slap on turd ponts! You cant say cops dont abuse their power, and if i was a cop ad had nothing better to do, and i had the chance to give T.O. a ticket for some bogus charge just so it would reflect badly on te cowgirls i would do it, so why woulnt a real cop who is a football nut. I know it’s P.C. to say that wouldnt happen, but to say it couldnt happen is moronic. Look what has happened since the turd watch started, now teams are getting in trouble when their players do. Why would it be such a far cry to imagine a zealous cop screwing over his most hated rivals players for no other joy then to know he can do it and it will look bad for them. This is not the end of this ranting on my part until those standings are changed!
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Matt Millen is usually so on top of things…
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Im calling for an overhaul of this supposed points system. If you can add points for pending charges, and not just for things they’ve been found guilty of is irrisponsible and wrong. Whats that saying about the system, arent you a lawyer FLORIO? How can you justify this? Im not even just talking for Eagles fans, i emplore other teams fans to check your points and teams standing because this turd watch is flawed! I heard Peyton Manning didnt scoop up his dogs crap from the park, he might get a fine in a few weeks, lets hit them with points just because i made an accusation! Absolutley rediculous, i hope your ready for a ish storm from unhappy eagles fans MIKE!
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June 26th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Poacher1 that is very true. I can remember that from my youth because my dad is sick cowgirls fan. But,just imagine if that had been today. Dallas wouldve had a million points before they couldve gotten through the trials.
I watched a Judge Joe Brown the other day where a COP sued someone he pulled over for slander and ruining his chances at a better job in the future, and you know how he did it, because after the cop pulled him over he went and filed a b.s. report with internal affairs, who later foundthe cop not guilty, but all over that one report, it will stain his record and ruin his chances at raises or promotions. While the PFT turd watch doesnt have that kind of movement, it still stains a persons pride/name to be hit with any type of judgement before a JUDGE judges them! All it takes is one a hole making an accusation at someone and bam, they’re blacklisted and they’re employer is blacklisted without somuch as a fair trial. RE-DO THE POINTS SYSTEM TO THIS IDIOTIC TURD WATCH! Then you’ll see, the only ones complaining will be fans of teams who really do field criminals~
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Oh no! An Eagles fan whining?!? O_O I’m shocked.
The Turd Watch system does not rely on the notion of “Innocent until proven guilty.” It is merely a way to keep track of charges and convictions against NFL players.
As for this being a black mark on a player’s record, I’m sure the NFL teams keep track of these things themselves and, if not, would likely find out about any indiscretions before signing or trading for a player. If a players is blacklisted, he most likely did it to himself.
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:44 am
msnyder275 says:
June 26th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Does JJ have better control of his players…or old fashioned control of the media and police?
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Are you seriously implying that Cowboys players get in trouble and Jerry Jones is able to keep a lid on it? You’re an idiot.
Just another case of a Cowboy hater that really has nothing bad to say about them and is just looking for something to say. Pathetic.
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
To maddenchump, bgman, and fanball:
Go back and re-read how the points are assessed:
Points are assessed for an arrest, and then more points assessed for a conviction. This includes pending charges (learn how the legal system works). The points are assessed to whatever team the player is CURRENTLY a member of.
It’s completely ridiculous for people saying that Dallas and the Bucs (or any other team) should acrue points because someone was previously charged or convicted of a crime. That makes as much sense as saying that since Asante Samuel won a ring with the Pats, and he now signed with the Eagles, the Eagles should get credit for winning a Super Bowl.
For those suggesting that the Dallas community “takes care of its players”, that’s just ignorant. There is a reason Dallas players don’t get into trouble. I’ll give you a hint, it’s not the law looking the other way, it’s the structure the Cowboys front office has set up, and the mentality in the locker room that has players looking out for each other.
I suggest you take off your rose colored glasses and deal with the fact that hating on the Cowboys won’t make your team any better or make them any less criminal.
And if you can’t, then at least take solace in the fact that having a locker room full of guys who have managed to stay out of trouble sure as hell hasn’t helped Dallas win any playoff games. So really, what does it matter?
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
The Dallas Cowboys - cleanest team in the National Football League
. We take the troublemakers from other teams and reform them.
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June 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Some of you need to stop your whining and go back and read how points are awarded.
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June 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
maddenchamp
anyone who watches judge joe brown has no life.
secondly,as they say..”it is what it is”.
thirdly,this is not about convictions,it’s
about arrests,big difference.
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June 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The Eagles are turd organization, 3rd place is a conservative estimate.
The Cowboys have a lot of haters on the internets but look at the scoreboard. 0 points so far this year, and 0 last year.
You have to applaud what Jerry Jones has done to clean up the league. If only other organizations would take his lead, we would have less McDonald’s wrapper incidents, less Xbox theft, less nude drive-thru orders and lastly, less heroin smuggling in the rectum (Reid boys).
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
The reason the Turd Watch gives so many points for simply arrests and not so much convictions -as was explained when it started- is that the arrests and charges are what really get the big press and causes bad PR, regardless of whether the player ends up being acquitted.
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Oh poor maddenchamp are you all sad because youre eagles have 22 points.You need to SUCK IT UP. The Eagles are full of hasbeens and wannabes and you know it so you just want to get some attention brought back to the eagles. You can yell and scream all you want at Florio but he’s not gonna change anything. I bet its just killing you to see T.O.’s great behaviour and to see that we have Tank Johnson and Adam Jones and we still have 0 turd watch points. I bet right now you want to blame it on favortism towords teams but you cant because you know that Florio hates the Cowboys so that blows that thought out of the water so the only thing you have left to do is accept the 22 points and shut up.
P.S. Who knows maybe this year you eagle sissys will get a break and your precious hasbeen Donovan McHurtalot will stay healthy for atleast a quarter of the season.
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