We’ve done some checking around as to what teams might have known about the pre-existing legal troubles of Boston College tackle Gosder Cherilus, who was facing charges of assault and battery and assault and battery with a deadly weapon when he was picked by the Lions in the first round of the 2008 draft.
One league source explained to us that part of the problem is that teams rely too much on the biased reports that are provided by persons connected to the player’s college team.
“Scouts tend to rely on the people at schools for their information,” the source said. “Those people — coaches, staff, etc. – generally have a vested interest in promoting their players. It happens often that incidents get softened or swept away.
“We definitely had the info about the fight in the bar. The facts, however, were painted from the players’ and bar owner’s perspective. Not the patron who got roughed up.”
The players’ version is that Cherilus and then-teammate DeJuan Tribble were trying to break up a fight. But the person who the target of the peacemaking efforts claimed that they did much more than make peace.
The other reality is that many agents are notorious for feeding teams a line of B.S. when it comes to explaining away a player’s potential character problems. And teams often fall for it.
Though the source’s team wasn’t seriously targeting Cherilus, and thus didn’t devote additional resources to getting to the bottom of the situation, the reality here is that teams and the league office need to work closely together to get full and complete information about all potential red flags before the decision is made to make a multi-million-dollar investment in a guy who could become the next Pacman Jones.
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
What? Agents will lie to try and cash in?
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
THERS A MAJOR FLAW IN YOUR TURD WATCH SYSTEM ALSO….HANDING OUT POINTS TO PLAYERS WHO HAVE YET TO BE JUDGED BY A JUDGE!!!
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June 26th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
“The other reality is that many agents are notorious for feeding teams a line of B.S. when it comes to explaining away a player’s potential character problems. And teams often fall for it.”
You mean like the Cincinnati Bengals organization, for example?
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June 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
” The next Pacman Jones? ” — ROFL - that’s classic.
If anyone has seen any interviews with Goz, done any sort of background check, seen interviews about his upbringing, this couldn’t be further from the truth.
From experience in working in clubs, I can tell you first hand that dudes who are 315 lbs. tend to get dragged into stuff like this all the time ( esp. if they’re 6′ 7″ tall and are out for their birthday celebration… they’re not exactly wall-flower types) but to label him a thug or “turd” in the Chris Henry/Adam Jones/Javon Walker/makin’ it rain/champagne ilk is just a reach.
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June 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Has he signed with the Lions yet? If not, then Detroit should bite the bullet, move on, and be thankful that not a dime was wasted on him.
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
With potentially millions of dollars at stake, you would think a team would have their resident security dude do a thorough background check on a possible draftee. You know, local police if there was an arrest, interview all persons involved in an incident, former girlfriends, etc., etc.
It strikes me as very short-sighted and self-defeating to take the cheap route and rely exclusively on the draftee’s school, coaches, and buddies to get an accurate picture of the guy. If you don’t do due diligence, you don’t really want to know the truth and you have no one but yourself to blame if you get burned.
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Rod will straighten him out, if Rod has enough time left in Detroit to make a difference about anything there.
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June 26th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
@ zygi..
WTF??? The kid had a bar fight. Are you going to tell me that is no different than a frat party that gets out of hand? And this is the problem I have…we as fans are waaayyy to quick to pass judgment on a guy from which we don’t know and have never met or wasn’t there to begin with. Granted..the teams get the side of the story from the player and agent…yes that is flawed. The teams can just as quickly get the side of the story from the “alledged” victim. And who is to say that the “alledged victim” is anymore credible and not at fault as well…..
To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard. And fans wonder why athletes don’t want to talk or speak up sometimes…the fans already have painted a picture of them and more times than not it is negative…
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June 26th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
“To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard”
Agreed but I would d@mn sure not give him a buttload of guaranteed money. The Lions will screw it up like always but we’re in uncharted territory here - a high draft pick that has some ugly business raise it’s head after the draft and at a time when the commish has a bone for these things. Next year’s draft picks better be prepared for the even bigger rectal exam that is coming.
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June 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Hey, if I had a chance at a ginormous payday and a dream job, I’d stay out of bars, strip clubs, drink iced tea, walk old ladies across streets, keep it in my pants or wear a glove, whatever it took to cash in. It’s the Brass Ring, after all.
It behooves (how’s that one, Mike?) management to get all sides when investigating a guy’s background. Sure, some of it will be slanted both positive and negative. You have to sift through the crap to get a sense of what the guy is about. If you don’t, you’re deluding yourself, rolling the dice, and holding your nose. It’s plain willful ignorance. Or as the legal riffraff call it, ‘plausible deniability’.
“Hey, we didn’t know he was an ax-murderer. No one told us.”
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June 26th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
@ db3300-
I don’t think you give any of the first round picks big guaranteed money anyway. I am all in favor for a rookie cap and scale. This way …when things of this nature come up….they are still in the mode of having to prove themselves. You are working your tail off to get that max contract so to speak…a la the NBA….
In this case CHERILUS stays out of trouble during his first contract teams have the option and have seen that he has proven himself, matured and able to get that big money contract.
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