Comments on: CHERILUS CASE POINTS OUT FLAW IN PRE-DRAFT SYSTEM http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:41:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: jarrettcp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48054 jarrettcp Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:07:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48054 @ db3300- I don't think you give any of the first round picks big guaranteed money anyway. I am all in favor for a rookie cap and scale. This way ...when things of this nature come up....they are still in the mode of having to prove themselves. You are working your tail off to get that max contract so to speak...a la the NBA.... In this case CHERILUS stays out of trouble during his first contract teams have the option and have seen that he has proven himself, matured and able to get that big money contract. @ db3300-
I don’t think you give any of the first round picks big guaranteed money anyway. I am all in favor for a rookie cap and scale. This way …when things of this nature come up….they are still in the mode of having to prove themselves. You are working your tail off to get that max contract so to speak…a la the NBA….
In this case CHERILUS stays out of trouble during his first contract teams have the option and have seen that he has proven himself, matured and able to get that big money contract.

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]]> By: Norseman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48035 Norseman Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:26:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48035 Hey, if I had a chance at a ginormous payday and a dream job, I'd stay out of bars, strip clubs, drink iced tea, walk old ladies across streets, keep it in my pants or wear a glove, whatever it took to cash in. It's the Brass Ring, after all. It behooves (how's that one, Mike?) management to get all sides when investigating a guy's background. Sure, some of it will be slanted both positive and negative. You have to sift through the crap to get a sense of what the guy is about. If you don't, you're deluding yourself, rolling the dice, and holding your nose. It's plain willful ignorance. Or as the legal riffraff call it, 'plausible deniability'. "Hey, we didn't know he was an ax-murderer. No one told us." Hey, if I had a chance at a ginormous payday and a dream job, I’d stay out of bars, strip clubs, drink iced tea, walk old ladies across streets, keep it in my pants or wear a glove, whatever it took to cash in. It’s the Brass Ring, after all.

It behooves (how’s that one, Mike?) management to get all sides when investigating a guy’s background. Sure, some of it will be slanted both positive and negative. You have to sift through the crap to get a sense of what the guy is about. If you don’t, you’re deluding yourself, rolling the dice, and holding your nose. It’s plain willful ignorance. Or as the legal riffraff call it, ‘plausible deniability’.

“Hey, we didn’t know he was an ax-murderer. No one told us.”

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]]> By: db3300 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48013 db3300 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:58:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-48013 "To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard" Agreed but I would d@mn sure not give him a buttload of guaranteed money. The Lions will screw it up like always but we're in uncharted territory here - a high draft pick that has some ugly business raise it's head after the draft and at a time when the commish has a bone for these things. Next year's draft picks better be prepared for the even bigger rectal exam that is coming. “To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard”

Agreed but I would d@mn sure not give him a buttload of guaranteed money. The Lions will screw it up like always but we’re in uncharted territory here - a high draft pick that has some ugly business raise it’s head after the draft and at a time when the commish has a bone for these things. Next year’s draft picks better be prepared for the even bigger rectal exam that is coming.

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]]> By: jarrettcp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47978 jarrettcp Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:21:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47978 @ zygi.. WTF??? The kid had a bar fight. Are you going to tell me that is no different than a frat party that gets out of hand? And this is the problem I have...we as fans are waaayyy to quick to pass judgment on a guy from which we don't know and have never met or wasn't there to begin with. Granted..the teams get the side of the story from the player and agent...yes that is flawed. The teams can just as quickly get the side of the story from the "alledged" victim. And who is to say that the "alledged victim" is anymore credible and not at fault as well..... To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard. And fans wonder why athletes don't want to talk or speak up sometimes...the fans already have painted a picture of them and more times than not it is negative... @ zygi..

WTF??? The kid had a bar fight. Are you going to tell me that is no different than a frat party that gets out of hand? And this is the problem I have…we as fans are waaayyy to quick to pass judgment on a guy from which we don’t know and have never met or wasn’t there to begin with. Granted..the teams get the side of the story from the player and agent…yes that is flawed. The teams can just as quickly get the side of the story from the “alledged” victim. And who is to say that the “alledged victim” is anymore credible and not at fault as well…..
To say the Lions should not sign the guy is overboard. And fans wonder why athletes don’t want to talk or speak up sometimes…the fans already have painted a picture of them and more times than not it is negative…

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]]> By: The Q-man http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47959 The Q-man Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:41:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47959 Rod will straighten him out, if Rod has enough time left in Detroit to make a difference about anything there. Rod will straighten him out, if Rod has enough time left in Detroit to make a difference about anything there.

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]]> By: Norseman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47937 Norseman Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:05:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47937 With potentially millions of dollars at stake, you would think a team would have their resident security dude do a thorough background check on a possible draftee. You know, local police if there was an arrest, interview all persons involved in an incident, former girlfriends, etc., etc. It strikes me as very short-sighted and self-defeating to take the cheap route and rely exclusively on the draftee's school, coaches, and buddies to get an accurate picture of the guy. If you don't do due diligence, you don't really want to know the truth and you have no one but yourself to blame if you get burned. With potentially millions of dollars at stake, you would think a team would have their resident security dude do a thorough background check on a possible draftee. You know, local police if there was an arrest, interview all persons involved in an incident, former girlfriends, etc., etc.

It strikes me as very short-sighted and self-defeating to take the cheap route and rely exclusively on the draftee’s school, coaches, and buddies to get an accurate picture of the guy. If you don’t do due diligence, you don’t really want to know the truth and you have no one but yourself to blame if you get burned.

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]]> By: zygi milf http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47931 zygi milf Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:50:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47931 Has he signed with the Lions yet? If not, then Detroit should bite the bullet, move on, and be thankful that not a dime was wasted on him. Has he signed with the Lions yet? If not, then Detroit should bite the bullet, move on, and be thankful that not a dime was wasted on him.

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]]> By: marxcds http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47926 marxcds Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:43:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47926 " The next Pacman Jones? " -- ROFL - that's classic. If anyone has seen any interviews with Goz, done any sort of background check, seen interviews about his upbringing, this couldn't be further from the truth. From experience in working in clubs, I can tell you first hand that dudes who are 315 lbs. tend to get dragged into stuff like this all the time ( esp. if they're 6' 7" tall and are out for their birthday celebration... they're not exactly wall-flower types) but to label him a thug or "turd" in the Chris Henry/Adam Jones/Javon Walker/makin' it rain/champagne ilk is just a reach. ” The next Pacman Jones? ” — ROFL - that’s classic.

If anyone has seen any interviews with Goz, done any sort of background check, seen interviews about his upbringing, this couldn’t be further from the truth.

From experience in working in clubs, I can tell you first hand that dudes who are 315 lbs. tend to get dragged into stuff like this all the time ( esp. if they’re 6′ 7″ tall and are out for their birthday celebration… they’re not exactly wall-flower types) but to label him a thug or “turd” in the Chris Henry/Adam Jones/Javon Walker/makin’ it rain/champagne ilk is just a reach.

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]]> By: Stoogie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47891 Stoogie Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:29:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47891 "The other reality is that many agents are notorious for feeding teams a line of B.S. when it comes to explaining away a player’s potential character problems. And teams often fall for it." You mean like the Cincinnati Bengals organization, for example? “The other reality is that many agents are notorious for feeding teams a line of B.S. when it comes to explaining away a player’s potential character problems. And teams often fall for it.”

You mean like the Cincinnati Bengals organization, for example?

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47881 maddenchamp610 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:15:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47881 THERS A MAJOR FLAW IN YOUR TURD WATCH SYSTEM ALSO....HANDING OUT POINTS TO PLAYERS WHO HAVE YET TO BE JUDGED BY A JUDGE!!! THERS A MAJOR FLAW IN YOUR TURD WATCH SYSTEM ALSO….HANDING OUT POINTS TO PLAYERS WHO HAVE YET TO BE JUDGED BY A JUDGE!!!

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]]> By: CoryDangerous http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47874 CoryDangerous Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:04:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/26/cherilus-case-points-out-flaw-in-pre-draft-system/#comment-47874 What? Agents will lie to try and cash in? What? Agents will lie to try and cash in?

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