Less than 15 months after losing his gig on WFAN and MSNBC for making racially charged comments regarding the Rutgers women’s basketball team, radio icon Don Imus has danced dangerously close to, and arguably over, the line again.
On Monday, Imus had the following exchange with Warner Wolf:
Wolf: “Defensive back Adam ‘Pacman’ Jones, recently signed by the Cowboys. Here’s a guy suspended all of 2007 following a shooting in a Vegas night club.”
Imus: “Well, stuff happens. You’re in a night club, for God’s sake. What do you think’s gonna happen in a night club? People are drinking, they’re doing drugs. There are women there, and people have guns. So, there, go ahead.”
Wolf: “He’s also been arrested six times since being drafted by Tennessee in 2005.”
Imus: “What color is he?”
Wolf: “He’s African-American.”
Imus: “Well, there you go. Now we know.”
Last time around, the comments represented a partial effort at humor. This time around, it was a matter-of-fact statement, with no chuckles, yuks, tee-hees, or ha’s. As we see it, if the comment wasn’t overtly and blatantly racist, then what the hell was it?
Maybe we’re wrong on this one. Even so, it was nothing short of stoopid to fly so close to the flame that already burned him once.
Here’s the audio. PFT Planet, what say you about this one?
UPDATE: A few readers have suggested that Imus was referring to a belief that African-Americans are more likely to be arrested because of police profiling. Reading the transcript might possibly cause a reasonable person to perhaps think that; listening to the audio tends to (in our opinion) rule out any positive spin that could be placed on this one. Besides, if Imus was trying to make a broader social comment regarding the question of whether black men are more likely to be arrested because of their race, he needs to offer up something more substantive than, “There you go. Now we know.” Especially in light of the Rutgers thing.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Typical reaction by the PFT faithful - most reasonable people say “what an ass”, and the right wingers say “well what about what (fill in the minority character) said?”.
Guys like Imus and Limbaugh and the other a$$-clowns at Fox news make a lot of money because they make lower middle class white guys comfortable being racist.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
pacman, or “adam”, and imus are both idiots. not sure more than that needs to be said…
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
problem is, so many many people want to keep laying the “white guilt” trip onto certain people.
money does not cure turdiness. in fact it usually makes the turdiness worse.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I think it would be funny to see this guy get fired on his first day back.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
i’ll bet 3 to 1 this story gets 100 comments before the night is over.
race topics are so en vogue right now. (never ever gonna get it)
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I practiced criminal law (defense) for about 8 years, and handled many cases as a public defender. From my experience, I’d say if you were looking for a common denominator among “perps”, the following criteria would be more accurate as a top-3 (and in this order):
1) Drug/Alcohol Addiction
2) Poverty
3) Mental Illness
There is a common myth that most “criminals” are black. Anyone who has practiced criminal law for a while knows this is false.
It would be more accurate to say that most “criminals” are drug addicts and/or alcoholics, and most crimes in a regular courtroom will be related to alcoholism and/or drug addiction (DUIs make up about 80% of a court’s caseload on any given day). Obviously, drunk drivers come in all colors, shapes and sizes. Not sure about my parents’ generation, but nowadays the cops will arrest you for DUI with absolutely no regard to your color, religion, or any other factor (unless you have an LEO association business card in your wallet, but even then, you’re probably going to be arrested).
The second most common criminal charge (of the serious ones, things other than driving with a suspended license, etc) would probably be domestic violence. Again, you see all shapes, colors and sizes. There really doesn’t seem to be any patterns evident based on race. Go to any suburban courtroom in a predominantly white county, and you will see as many DV cases as you would in a predominantly black county (with similar population, of course).
The facts do not support statements that “blacks commit more crimes.” If you honestly believe this, I would highly suggest spending an afternoon in your local courthouse, watching cases and seeing who’s there. If you live in an all-white neighborhood, you will see plenty of white people being charged with crimes in your local courthouse.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I guess some people still need to be reminded of the First Amendment. The guy has his opinion, and why not let the market decide? He’s VERY popular.
Florio get off your high-horse with your low-brow jokes.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
By the way - what’s a racist? And OK, now that you’ve finished your definition, what next?
People are entitled to their opinion.. if they don’t like black people, that’s their opinion. If they don’t like white people, that’s their opinion.
This whole OOHHH he said this he said that only invovles people in this that don’t need to be involved. If you don’t like it don’t listen.. Florio, were you listening? No. But you did get paid for the advertising from all the people that made an extra click to read this.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
It’s funny, because I was always under the impression that we had free speech in this country. I will be the first one to agree that Don Imus’ racist statements are ignorant, but as much as they annoy me, they don’t annoy me near as much as “PC” Police out there who are constantly looking for stories about “villains” and their poor unsuspecting “victims”.
Who cares what Imus has to say. The guy is obviously a racist. At the same time, there are PLENTY of black racists spouting hatred out there and you seldom hear much about that - unless they happen to be pastors of presidential candidates.
People need to quit being so sensitive about what morons have to say. The fact is that they have a right to voice their opinions too.
My point is that YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM BEING OFFENDED. This goes for every race, religion, orientation, etc. If you don’t like what someone says on the radio, turn the channel.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Don’t you all get it. Don Imus is ashamed of his heritage so he makes these ignorant statements so that the people he tries so hard to fit in with will not ask the same question he has asked about Mr. Jones. Think about how many people who have spent most… if not all of their lives “passing for white” only to come out years later and have the truth revealed. All is needed is for someone to shake his family tree and I’ll bet a Black/African American person or two will fall off. We all know the rules. All it takes is a drop in the bloodline.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Actually it is perfectly legal to yell fire in a crowded theater, especially on private property
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Stern can say whatever he’s want - because he has immunity from criticism - that thing called “being jewish”. Imus does not.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Here some true statments: the white race is more likly to: kill family memebers for money, become mass murders, cult leaders, believe that aliens populated the world lol, watch kid porn, have sex with minors, have sex with children, molest their own children, make pregnacy packs lol just got that one from CNN, use crystal meth, rape, use steriod, kill their entire family, commit suicide, torture people, enjoy torture, kill for money, become prositutes, use prositutes, use underage prositutes, commited hate crimes, beat their wifes and children, try to come up with statics to make themselve look like their race is better, lol, they white race has tried to kill every race on this beautiful planet, torture animals, hate their bodys, do plastic surgery, stalkers, get mad at a statement made about the problems white people have. (the shoe is on the other foot) oh yeah and start fires. HEY ITS TRUE. I hope you guys defend my freedom of speech. Because it in the consitution. LOL. Hey these are sterotypes if you dont know, doesnt mean that every white person would do this. I wonder if AL Roker said somehting like this this and instead of saying black and said white i wonder what some of you free speech people would say lol
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Has noone noticed that that comment can be interpreted as…Well, there you go…multiple arrests…due to RACIAL PROFILING? I think we need to begin to be more colorblind in our interpretation of what people say. If the same comment had been made (with knowing nods) by a person of a ‘different color’…wouldn’t we all be assuming the reference was to the classic southern pattern of racial profiling? If anything, I suspect Imus is being exceptionally cautious…and has erred in the odious direction of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. PC communication tends to skirt issues, obfuscate and generally annoy any and everyone (of ALL ethnicities) with common sense.
As Bill Cosby has been known to say of late…”Come on, people!”
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
What is happening in this country? Some people like Charles Barkley can say anything Al Sharpton still clings to a False rape story of a African American by white police officers and neither of these clowns are held to task.WELL people you may not beleive it but anybody can be rascist Jesse Jackson once recalled an incident where he was walking down a dark street at night and heard some one following him it was releived when he turned around and saw it was a white man.
I or none of my family ever owned any slaves but were supposed to pay for it.Alot of slaves were actually sold by other tribes and slavery is rampant in Africa today( must be white male American’s fault huh)
This is America I don’t care what color your skin is anybody should be allowed to say anything heck chidren know sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt me
SHEESH quit being such hypocrites and no that’s not a big animal
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I think Imus asked a stupid question anyway. If he’s a defensive back and was drafted into the NFL and plays for the Cowboys…what color do you think he is? White?? Please…
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Good to see Warner Wolf is still out there. Always like his sports reports on the channel 9 news in DC .
BTW, if you had Imus and 16 months on the air YOU LOST!
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June 23rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
After listening to the audio, Imus seemed a little sarcastic with his “there ya go” remark. I didn’t get the impression that he was trying to be malicious, nor dead-serious, in any way.
And empty13 said it best.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
see, we’re all trained to be so friggin politically correct. I assumed he meant which color, as in the game Pacman….http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/media/pacman_flash/….see, they’re different colors. Get it?
The fact that the other morin responded African-American is what made it die a painful death. But, it was the first thought that comes to mind. What color? Funny guy.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:13 pm
.see, we’re all trained to be so friggin politically correct. I assumed he meant which color, as in the game Pacman….http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/media/pacman_flash/….see, they’re different colors. Get it?
The fact that the other morin responded African-American is what made it die a painful death. But, it was the first thought that comes to mind. What color? Funny guy.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
“white guilt” or whatever you want to call it is B.S. The fact of the matter is…If Imus or anyone else for that matter is going to say something about a professional athlete…good or bad…the chances are he’s talking about an African-American. Since the majority of pro sports (football, basketball…you know…the one’s we give a damn about) are dominated by African Americans. Who cares what this ass-clown said?
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
I’d just like to say that overall, and I repeat OVERALL, the African American community is much more racist than the white community. They do need to change the perception. Just think about the phrase “stop black on black crime.” Why not stop all crime. Is black on white crime O.K.?
That said, Imus shouldn’t have said what he did, when he was under the microscope anyway. No matter what he meant.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pm
“now how many NFL players that are white, hispanic, asian, been arrested?”
Well gee whiz, how many white/hispanic/asian guys play in the NFL?
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June 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
part1: ‘Why is what Imus said such a travesty but Barrack Obama, who may be the next President of the USA, can call his grandmother a “typical white person” and thats ok? Heck, not only was it ok, it was lauded as one of the best speeches in history. Imagine if McCain said, so-and-so is a “typical black person”. You think the reaction would be the same? Time to stop moving the goals posts(tossing in a football analogy to stay on topic):).
Let go of the “white guilt” folks. ‘
umm, wtf? obama did catch flack for saying what he did from the media, not just conservative newssites either. but the fact that he’s running for president means there are going to be spokespersons to clear it up and soften the blow. imo, despite the clear up, it was still a very ignorant thing to say and he probably lost of a lot votes for that.
btw, if you haven’t figured it out already, obama is half-white, not that it should have anything to do with it (clearly, it does to you).
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June 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
part2: imus’s comments don’t really bother me. he is a shock jockey after all whose had a history of making controversial remarks. and it’s still a likelihood that he meant it as in blacks are targeted by police more often than white people are (as opposed to, pacman is black so it’s understandable that he has such a high propensity for crime). anyways, imus may not be a racist (as in harboring ill will towards a certain race) but he sure does makes a lot of ignorant and offensive comments about racial groups. i’m sure white people don’t like it when a black person makes ignorant generalizations about how white people can’t jump/dance/etc.
however, the comments here going off-tangent and trying to defend the notion that blacks are associated with crime by “statistical truth” without any further backdrop on racial relations is some of the most ignorant shit i’ve ever read. the comments generalizing the rate of crime among black nfl players to BLACK PEOPLE is major LOL. that’s like me generalizing the rate of crime amongst white enron executives to white people in general.
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