Packers running back Ryan Grant is an exclusive-rights free agent, which means that his options in 2008 are to play for the Packers or play for no one.
But until he signs his exclusive-rights tender, he is not under contract, and thus not required to attend any team activities.
Still, Grant has been present for voluntary workouts, and he is attending a mandatory minicamp. At the minicamp, Grant is participating in individual drills, and avoiding team drills.
The AP item regarding the situation leads by saying that “[i]t isn’t exactly a holdout” ($12.50). Actually, it’s not inexactly or generally or directly or indirectly a holdout. It’s simply not a holdout, to the extent that the term “holdout” implies that the player has a contractual obligation to be present. (But we realize that some interpret the term “holdout” to mean a guy is “holding out” for more money, regarding of whether he already has a deal in place.)
It’s actually unprecedented, in our recollection, that a non-rookie without a contract would be so visible during offseason practice. First-year draft picks routinely participate during the offseason even though most of them won’t sign contracts until July. But veterans who are unsigned usually stay completely away from camp.
In Grant’s case, we think his presence is driven by a combined desire to generate goodwill, and to avoid the “out of sight, out of mind” mentality that could prompt the team to decide to give the starting job to someone else.
Grant had a solid season in 2007, but there are many running backs who can move the chains with adequate blocking. (A passing game led by a Hall of Fame quarterback and a very underrated corps of primarily young receivers didn’t hurt last year, either.)
Grant would like to parlay his solid season into a long-term deal, but the Packers are under no obligation to do so. It’s a function of the system. Undrafted players who sign one-year deals have no leverage until they have accrued three NFL seasons. The most that Grant can do is show up during Week Ten, sign the tender, and then qualify for restricted free agency in 2009.
If he wants that big-money payday, his smartest move is to sign the tender and get to work. Eventually, other running backs will emerge, and Grant consequently might lose his chance to persuade the Packers and/or other teams that he’s worth the kind of cash that he’s seeking.
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June 18th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
“Overrated corps of primarily young receivers…”
Don’t you mean underrated? After all, Greg Jennings was supposedly “The next great Wide receiver”. Or was it Vincent Jackson? Or was it Amani Toomer?
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June 18th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
also, not exactly fair to extrapolate on “the kind of cash that he’s seeking,” as the particulars of the contract he’s seeking aren’t available. I doubt very much that he’s expecting to get paid like LT, LJ, etc.
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June 18th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
If you consider their WRs “very overrated” then Grant’s contribution last year should be even more impressive, no?
Once again, how am I supposed to get mad about stuff that doesn’t even make sense.
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June 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I meant underrated. Kind of a significant difference. Sorry.
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June 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Actually JawadSuggs misread the article Florio… You put underrated which very accurately describes the Packer receiving corps, but he turned it around. Grant did receive a lot of help from the passing attack of the team, but also did much better than any of the other backs the team had on the roster. Blocking could have been better on the team and they are going to work on that for this year, but I am expecting this to be a very good offense even without Brett at the helm.
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June 18th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Perhaps a mention of what the Packers’ tender offer amount is would be useful. I’ve heard the number is $330,000 (please correct me if I’m wrong). Quite a small amount don’t you think? Sounds more like a game-check than a salary for an entire season.
Grant is doing everything but working out in team drills (most likely to avoid injury). He isn’t blabbing to the press, just quietly doing his job (which technically he isn’t even required to do) and letting folks behind the scenes get his contract done.
Sounds like a guy who I want on my team… oh yeah, he is on it. Sweet!
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June 18th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Both the Pack and Grant are in a tough spot here.
The only effective RB on the roster last year was Grant, period. There were verterans on that team that couldnt get the job done, so Grant does deserve credit for his talent.
From Grants point of view he deserves to be paid because the earning years of a RB are so limited, and if hes going to put his body on the line he should be paid fairly.
The Pack however dont want to give him a multi year deal in case he is a 1 year wonder. However a 1 year “prove it” deal will allow the rest of the NFL to steal Grant should he go out and prove his worth.
For what its worth I think he should get some new money. I remember reading that if he signs the exclusive rights deal that he will make $355 000. Those of you who know NFL salaries can see that this would not be fair to Grant.
They should sign him to a 2 year/$9 million deal. The salaries would be 1.5 per year, and the signing bonus would be 6 million. Half the bonus would actually be a roster bonus due on june 30th 2009. (Similar to the Jared Allen deal, in terms of structure..not money)
This way Grant can get some money (well deserved by the way) up front and he can feel that the Pack are looking out for him. If Grant plays great he and the pack can work out a new extension after next season. If he stinks the joint out the Pack can wait till after June 1st and cut him and spread the remaining 3 million out over 2 years, making Grant an extremely modest salary dump.
I personally think the Packers would be foolish to let this get ugly. They need Grant to play well to give Aaron Rodgers a chance. If Rodgers stumbles and Grant is holding out and Favre is clucking in the background, things will turn nasty in Green Bay. Grants being a company man by showing up and being a leader on a very young team. You have the cap room…get the deal done!
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June 18th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
One other item to consider is that he’s only missing reps from a 3-day minicamp. In exchange, the Packers get to take an extended look at one extra person (since he’s not on their roster, he’s not counted toward the 80-man limit). Also, I believe that only rookies are allowed to participate without being under contract. I would bet he’d be in the mix if he could.
He was the most effective back last year, but he wasn’t the only one to show signs of being NFL caliber. Brandon Jackson improved greatly from the beginning to the end of the year. Deshawn Wynn had decent performances before getting injured.
Still, I would hope they’d get more than a 2-year contract out of this. The Packers have established a great reputation for handling players that resolve contract issues the “right” way, and he’s seemingly gone above and beyond to do it the right way.
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June 18th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
@RyanHarris - “The only effective RB on the roster last year was Grant, period. There were verterans on that team that couldn’t get the job done, …”
Like who? Brandon Jackson who was a 2nd round drafted rookie. Or maybe you meant DeShawn Wynn who was a 7th round drafted rookie who was fighting injuries all the time. Oh wait it must be Vernand Morency who hasn’t even reached FA yet and just finished his 3rd year. (Never mind that the guy is suited to be a starting running and on his 2nd team). So what veterans are you talking about. The rest of your post is dead on, minus that glaring error.
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Going into last season, fans and media alike were worried about who outside of Driver was Favre going to throw to. When Jennings was picked, many knocked the pick. Same with James Jones. Both have done well and Jennings is quietly becoming the #1 WR in Green Bay. You don’t run 4/5 WRs across and be successful without having some talent.
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June 18th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
@RyanHarris
Are you kidding me? You sound like Ryan Grant’s agent.
I support what Ryan Grant is doing and I hope to see him in Green and Gold for years to come, but he is far from irreplaceable. As fans in Denver, Oakland, and Tampa Bay can attest, Ryan Grant’s emergence as a force in the Packers’ backfield is, ironically, a testament of the idea that halfback is the most fluid position in the NFL.
Ryan Grant has accrued one season in the NFL and has very little leverage in this situation. Though I don’t think this is the direction that the front office should take, the idea that a one year “prove it” deal would derail any hope the Packers’ have of signing Ryan Grant is just misinformed. Ryan Grant is at least four years away from unrestricted free agency and that’s assuming two things: 1) the world hasn’t collapsed because of an NFL/NFLPA labor dispute and 2)Packers’ GM Ted Thompson doesn’t use the franchise tag.
With this in mind, I hope that you can see why the idea of the Packers signing Ryan Grant to a two-year contract is absurd. Ted Thompson has a reputation for being frugal - I hear he once gave a nickel to the March of Dimes - but Ryan Grant will get his pay day one way or another. Whether he plays a couple of years for the Pack at a slightly higher tender before getting traded, or he signs a 4-5 year deal riddled with roster bonuses, he will get the money that is coming to him.
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June 18th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Grant will get his money, but not after only half of an incredible season which also saw him disappear in the NFC Championship when he was needed most. I believe he will be good in the long run, but have absolutely no problem with TT waiting on this. Extending a significant offer now would be no-win. Either he continues to do well, outperforms what would be a mid-range big money deal, and starts grousing next year about not being paid like an elite back, or he disappears and the money is wasted. Far better to wait and pay market value for him next year at age 25 after he’s proven himself. TT will have the cap to do that.
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June 18th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
but not after only half of an incredible season which also saw him disappear in the NFC Championship when he was needed most. lets not forget that the giants defense won them the superbowl over a heavy favorite. also dont forget grant had 200 yards and 3 tds in a blizzard. grant is not a powerhorse pound it all game long back he is more of a finess back with above average speed and seemingly good vision. he carries his weight very well and (besides the seachokes game) has been great at protecting the football. he is not EXACTLY what you would call a “downhill runner” but he is GREAT at not wasting steps:every stride is gaining him ground. i agree with rharris. give him a 2 year deal heavily loaded with roster and incentive bonuses. TT will most likely have to give this guy slightly more than he wants to in base salary to get him to except this type of deal. i love the fact that grant is doing the right things. it shows that the packers organization is molding their players into respectable human beings as well as good football players. if he was an ass like javon or c. williams he would be gone by now.
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June 18th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Can’t blame Grant. There’s no way he is holding out for LJ/LT money. He just wants to get paid more than $330,000 for taking 75% of the carries. RB more than any other position is one where you take one bad hit and you might never get a shot to be a starter again. As a GB I am convinced he can be a top 5-8 RB for the next five years and we could probably give him a multi-year for $3-4MIL a year and get the best production-to-salary ration of any RB in the league. He is a guy that got a chance he never knew he would and wants to get paid a modest salary for his output.
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June 18th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Re Razon:
Ok I suppose I overstated the Vets on the Pack last season; but Noah Herron was going into his 3rd year and Morency was going into his 4th. They say that RB is the easiest transistion from college to NFL, so I still say that there were 2 vets on this team with a total of 5 years in the NFL. Also Jackson and Wynn actually got drafted. The point of my post was that Grant is really talented, he was the last one to get a shot at the job and the only one to really take it.
Re JohnnyCanales:
No Im not kidding, and no Im not his agent.
Aaron Rodgers has played in 7 regular season games and has thrown 59 passes. If you were a Packers fan and you had a brand new QB would you not be ticked if Grant was not back there.
Sure you can make the point about Denver, Oakland and Tampa Bay finding starting RBs lower on the depth chart. But what about teams like Houston, Tennessee, NY Jets, Chicago, Detroit, Carolina and Seattle who just never got their running game going. Talent is talent, and Grant has it. The guy was 4th in the league in runs of 40+ yards(2) and was 3rd in the league in runs of 20+ yards(11). This despite getting only 188 attempts. For a comparison LT had 315 carries and 13 20+ carries and 4 40+ carries. Im not saying the guy is the next coming, but to suggest that you can just throw anyone else in there and get the same results is foolish.
Re Reese: Grant had 13 carries in the NFC championsip game, and it was against the eventual SB champs. Dont throw that whole game on him.
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