Recently, the Eagles named Howie Roseman the team’s V.P. of player personnel. In so doing, the team explained that he has been involved, and will be heavily involved moving forward, in the evaluation of players.
It was a significant moment in the ongoing tension between “football guys” (i.e., those who have either played in the NFL or who have cut their teeth in a scouting department) and “non-football guys” (i.e., lawyers or accountants who have used the complexities of the salary cap as a way to infiltrate the business).
But Eagles coach Andy Reid acts like it’s no big deal. “I think you’re seeing it with a few teams, when you look around,” Reid said Thursday. “I don’t really care, as long as the guy can evaluate. Whether he played or not, that doesn’t matter to me. If he’s got a knack for it and an eye for it, that’s really all I care about.”
While some non-football guys are involved in football matters with some other teams (e.g., the Jets and G.M. Mike Tannenbaum and the Saints and G.M. Mickey Loomis), no one has expressly given as much authority regarding personnel to a person who has crossed over from other areas of the enterprise as the Eagles have given to Roseman.
That said, Reid is right. If Roseman can evaluate, so be it. But there’s no Wonderlic test that can be taken in this regard, and “smart guys” who have obtained multiple degrees tend to think they’re automatically able to figure out who the best football players are by watching film and studying stats.
The problem is that, for every Howie Roseman who might have a natural knack for evaluating players, there are five other guys who think that their M.B.A. or their J.D. means that they can figure it all out, too.
As one league source recently explained, the ultimate danger is that the NFL will become fantasy football.
The source also pointed out that the gradual rise of the non-football guys might be contributing, directly or indirectly, to the fact that more than a few highly qualified football guys don’t currently have football jobs. Charley Casserly, Tom Donahoe, Rick Mueller, and Mike Lombardi, to name a few, aren’t currently working in the NFL even though they’ve got the chops to do it.
If other teams regard the Roseman phenomenon as a license to elevate in-house lawyers and bean counters into positions of football authority, there could be more non-football guys getting football jobs with big titles — and more football guys on the outside looking in.
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June 13th, 2008 at 8:41 am
So let me get this straight. If the positions are only filled with guys who played, then you’re going to decry the “jockocracy” of the NFL. When non-football guys break in, the place is going to be overrun with bean-counting fantasy football geeks?
Mike, if a bunch of accountants who try to run an NFL franchise like a fantasy football team start to take over, it won’t last. Because other teams will figure out what’s going on and they will take advantage because ultimately they’ll want to win. The “fantasy” guys won’t be able to cut it — or else, their strategy will work, and football will adapt yet again.
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Yeah, nothing worse than a lawyer acting like a football expert. Next thing you know, he’ll start a web site and do pieces for Sporting News.
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Here comes the cynicism:
Most likely, this is the Eagles trying to make it look to their fans like they’ve noticed Andy Reid can’t evaluate anything but linemen, so they’ve promoted someone to take over player evaluation and help him out, when in reality the guy is a figure head so Reid still has that control and authority without any concern, though in the public eye it may appear he’s getting help finally.
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:22 am
When you envoked the name of Charley Casserly into the statement of former GM’s, who have the “chops to do it”, besides the instant bowel movement, this article lost alot of credibility!
Anyone looking for a GM, in the NFL, should avoid “CC the Clown” like the plague!
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Kudos Mike!…this is by far and away the most valid and enlightening entry I’ve ever read on here. While I certainly do not feel that you need to have played the game at the NFL level to understand and succeed in scouting/personnel, the fad of “The Roseman Phenomenon” (as you call it) is a real cancer to the NFL, not to mention those who actually work in and treat scouting and personnel as a PROFESSION.
Of course Coach Reid is going to vouch for Roseman. He is still the leader of this team. How terrible would it look if he said the guy was a jock-sniffing lawyer who represents a growing problem in the league?
“The problem is that, for every Howie Roseman who might have a natural knack for evaluating players, there are five other guys who think that their M.B.A. or their J.D. means that they can figure it all out, too.”
This is a GREAT quote, and a very accurate statement in regard to this problem. It’s honestly embarassing that inside the walls of an NFL facility everybody and their brother thinks they can do and master scouting and personnel. That is, until it comes time to hit the road in the fall, then no one wants to be a scout.
Given the amount of owners who made tons of money in other fields allowing them to purchase and NFL team, you would think that they would have enough intelligence to leave the football decisions to the football guys, not these fantasy football league boot lickers who are ruining the game.
All one needs to do for a model of CONSISTENCY and success in this league is look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their ownership is made up of FOOTBALL PEOPLE, and in turn they let the football people do the football jobs and decision-making. You don’t see any PR Directors, in-house counsels, or number-crunchers making draft picks there, and that team wins nearly every year, as has done so for a long time.
Ok, what’s the over-under on some uneducated keyboard cowboy telling me to get therapy after this post?…I’ve got my money on 5 minutes.
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:50 am
First, Kevin from Philly, I’ll be laughing over your comment for the next two weeks.
But really, who cares which team hires whom to evaluate talent? It’s about gaining an edge over the competition any way you can (in accordance with the rules, Belechik) that leads to winning. I wouldn’t care if Stewie Griffin was the Iggles GM and Peter was our head coach if it led to a stinkin’ championship.
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June 13th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Xetough, I guess CC should have taken Reggie Bush instead of Mario Williams
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June 13th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Yo LBCrazy13,
What does it matter to you, Florio, or anyone else if a team goes out on a limb and hires a “non football” buy to handles some scouting. Let the free market forces and competition take its course. The teams that go out on a limb and try it will either do so to their own detriment (how does that hurt the “football” buys?), or they will do it and be successful and then you can bet that other teams will copycat. This is a non-story.
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June 13th, 2008 at 10:47 am
The real question for Iggles fans is this: how soon do we get a quarterback that can engage in some spirited thumbwrestling without needing rehab? Sorry D-Mac
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June 13th, 2008 at 11:33 am
ampat, funny how Dan Reeves was brought in to “consult” Bob McNair and Kubiak on the team and draft before showing CC the door! We had D.Davis/Williams as our RB, D. Carr got his extension (both drafted and given the extension by CC) and the horrible drafts preceding the arrival of the “new” regime, gives me the opinion that asshat CC couldn’t build a team, even in “fantasy football”!
R. Bush, “pssh…pleeze!”.
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June 13th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Yo LBCrazy13,
You need therapy
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June 13th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Reid vouches for his own kids, too. They really are good boys…
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June 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Gee, LB, What’s the matter? Are you a little insecure? You are trying to predict what everybody already knows. That you are a spoiled little baby that likes to voice his long-winded and non-meaningful opinion and then try to protect yourself by predicting what people will say? What exactly is a “football person” to you? You never played but yet seem to have a “strong” opinion on professional football matters. I won’t tell you that you need therapy but I will tell you you’re an idiot.
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June 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Well put JayPhilly! I don’t know what angers me more, the way the front office coddles Andy Reid or the way Andy Reid coddles Donovan. I wonder if Donovan coddles anyone. Oh yeah, he coddles himself.
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June 14th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Florio:
“’smart guys’ who have obtained multiple degrees tend to think they’re automatically able to figure out who the best football players are by watching film and studying stats.”
How else does one evaluate football players other than by paying attention to how they play football?
LBCrazy13:
“you would think that they would have enough intelligence to leave the football decisions to the football guys, not these fantasy football league boot lickers who are ruining the game”
You’re absolutely right–it’s the Outsiders who are ruining the game for talented, savvy, experienced player evaluators like Matt Millen. Preach, brother.
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June 15th, 2008 at 10:41 am
“All one needs to do for a model of CONSISTENCY and success in this league is look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their ownership is made up of FOOTBALL PEOPLE, and in turn they let the football people do the football jobs and decision-making. You don’t see any PR Directors, in-house counsels, or number-crunchers making draft picks there, and that team wins nearly every year, as has done so for a long time.”
bwa ha ha ha
How hard IS it to win in a division that otherwise consists of the Bengals, Browns and Ravens? Steelers were 5-5 outside of their division last year. 5-6 if you count the playoffs. 5-5 in ‘06, too.
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