Well, it’s time to re-set the “Days Without A PFT Story Regarding The Patriots And Cheating” meter to “OO.”
But this latest topic is an oldie and not-so-goodie. It deals with the team’s “massaging” of the injury report, a phenomenon about which we’ve all been aware for years. A couple of years ago, quarterback Tom Brady played several games with a McNabb-style sports hernia, which was somehow kept under wraps until after the season.
In the days leading up to Super Bowl XLII, Brady again appeared on the injury report with his chronic shoulder injury, but no mention was made of the injury to his ankle that obviously limited him during the game.
Now (and as mentioned in a One-Liner earlier today by MDS), Pats cornerback Ellis Hobbs is speaking candidly about the team’s approach in this regard.
Hobbs has told the story of a very real injury to his groin, which became progressively worse over the course of the season.
“From camp, through the preseason, all the way to the regular season, it started aching a little more each day to where it got to the point where we definitely needed surgery,” Hobbs said.
But yet Hobbs showed up on the injury report only once after December 1.
So what gives?
“We keep things under wraps for a reason,” Hobbs said. “We never want things to leak out. Teams can use it against us, and strategize for players that are going to potentially be there or potentially not be there.”
Um, Ellis? Coach Belichick has scheduled you for another surgery. He thinks you need to have your vocal cords removed.
In our view, the league has been reluctant to nail teams that violate the injury-reporting rules, even when they are caught with a smoking gun in one hand and a cookie jar over the other. In the case of Brady’s sports hernia, we concluded that, as long as the truth doesn’t come out until after the season ends, there will be no repercussions.
And, clearly, other teams play games with the injury reports. Our concerns has been, and still is, that allowing teams to give incomplete information creates an incentive for gamblers and those who are otherwise “mobbed up” to provide envelopes full of cash and other inducements to the guy who washes the jock straps at $7.55 an hour in exchange for access to information about who’s really hurt, and who really isn’t.
Perhaps the reality is that the league has yet to come up with a way to effectively ensure that teams comply with the rules regarding the reporting of injuries, and that the league is content with a system that merely creates a general perception that everyone who is inclined to place (or take) a bet has access to reliable information.
_2.gif)





June 11th, 2008 at 12:37 am
“Art Modell was acting like an ass; something like a Jerry Jones-esque character”
Not in your or Modell’s wildest dreams.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 3 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:53 am
“Except they changed the rules about two years ago to stop the Broncos in particular (in this case) from bending the rules. They changed the system to where through out the week, you only list players who did not practice or were limited in practice and the reason why. This rule was not in place in 1994.”
They didn’t change the injury reporting rule. They added the practice reporting rule. Practice reports are required every Wednesday, Thursday and Friday for teams that play on Sunday, and injury reports must still be filed on Friday and updated as needed. Wouldn’t make sense to only list guys that missed practice time or were limited. If a guy steps off a curb after Friday practice and breaks an ankle, it still has to be reported.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:36 am
The Pats may have Super Bowl trophies, but they didn’t EARN them. Huge difference. Listing the various wins only makes you look worse, Pat fans, as it draws attention to all the “ill-gotten gains.”
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3.3 / 5 with 10 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 7:17 am
It’s funny reading these posts. Apparently, Bill Belichick is now at fault for the Browns relocating to Baltimore.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3.15 / 5 with 6 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Beating a dead horse is one thing. Beating a decaying and rotting corpse brings it to another level.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 2.8 / 5 with 9 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 8:16 am
“The Pats may have Super Bowl trophies, but they didn’t EARN them. Huge difference. Listing the various wins only makes you look worse, Pat fans, as it draws attention to all the “ill-gotten gains.””
But who really earns Super Bowls in the NFL anymore? Not the 90s Cowboys. Jimmy Johnson admitted to cheating while he was with the Cowboys. Not the 98 or 99 Broncos, the league penalized the Broncos for cheating those years.
Heck, the entire NBA playoffs is rigged. Cheating is the foundation of professional sports.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 2.45 / 5 with 7 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 8:22 am
If the NFL would hand out suspensions to head coaches like they do to players, there’d be no cheating because owners wouldn’t have any use for coaches who are not around to coach. The NFL is the real culprit because it only imposes penalties for a coach’s misconduct—not suspensions. Every fan knows the choas that would occur if players were merely fined and never suspended? And now there’s a brand new rule about penalizing teams for player misconduct—but again, it does not cover coaches.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 6 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 8:35 am
sean martin,thanks for an intelligent post,finally!!
people run off at the mouth,without knowing any of
the facts.bill belchick was never given an honest chance
in cleveland.the owner was in debt up to his ass and
undermined everything that belichick tried to do, to
improve the team.modell was plotting his
escape out of town,ahead of all his creditors.
people forget or don’t know that the browns at one time
were the leagues’most powerfull team.i know,i was a
suffering giants fan.modell took this healthy,powerfull
franchise and mismanaged it into nothing.
i believe modell is in the hall of fame,i don’t know why..
coach belichick’s record in cleveland doesn’t reflect the
facts.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 10:30 am
“Undefeated in the regular season? Dolphins did that AND won the Super Bowl. ”
And also cheated and were also fined a first round draft pick. So, your point is what exactly?
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 6 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Look at the Pats fans “projecting” so as to put guilt and blame on “everybody else.”
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 4.35 / 5 with 6 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I am Master of the Universe. You are scum. I shall break any rule, bend any logical premise, ignore any principle, and piss on anyone or anything that stands between me and winning. Hear me, Goodell? Open your mouth again; I have to relieve myself.
AAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
- BB
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
People like to get up in arms about Belicheck’s injury report games. Yes, he does this. Everyone knows he does this. If the league was going to come down on him, I would think it would have happened by now. There is no there there.
But to those who may claim that other teams don’t do this, think back to Tampa Bay last year. Jeff Garcia admitted that the team falsely reported his injury status at the end of the season. He explained, straight out, that they mis-reported his status so as not to give the other team (I don’t remember the opponent) an advantage. The sports world shrugged. Why? Because it wasn’t the Pats.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
“Look at the Pats fans “projecting” so as to put guilt and blame on “everybody else.” ”
Sure, because in the weird world of you and the like-minded, the only team that has ever broken any NFL rule in the history of the league is the team in Foxboro.
Still to delivering pizzas, spyboots. You’re not qualified to offer psychiatric diagnoses of other visitors to this web site.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
“Beating a dead horse is one thing. Beating a decaying and rotting corpse brings it to another level.”
CORRECTION:
Beating a dead horse is one thing. Beating a CHEATING decaying and rotting corpse brings it to another level.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“Vox - Since Jimmy Johnson stated that he did “it” when the whole videotape thing started, how can you be sure that the Cowboys Super Bowl wins in the 90s were, in your words, “no videotaped signals needed” wins?”
Because if you’re going to believe Jimmy Johnson when he said he did it, you’ve pretty much gotta believe his very next statement to the effect of “we quit doing it because it wasn’t helping us”, don’t you? I don’t know why Jimmuh would lie about it, either way. Why would he even bring it up if he wasn’t going to be completely truthful about it? I’m not even sure that videotaping signals from any location was against the rules back then, we’re talking between 1989-1993.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Vox Veritas says:
June 10th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
“Belichick’s record with the Patriots: 86-26, 6 playoff appearances, 3 Super Bowl titles, 4 AFC titles and an undefeated regular season in 7 years.”
Belicheat’s “honest” record with the Browns: 36-44, 0 division titles, 1 playoff appearance, 1-1 record in the playoffs, fired after 5 seasons.
OK Vox, so why didn’t the sign stealing back then help him? Oh, he all of a sudden started doing it later in his career, my bad. How foolish of me to think he was doing this from the get go, because that would make too much sense.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 2.35 / 5 with 3 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
““Undefeated in the regular season? Dolphins did that AND won the Super Bowl. ”
And also cheated and were also fined a first round draft pick. So, your point is what exactly? ”
As stated. It’s been done before, and done better.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1 / 5 with 2 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
“The NFL is the real culprit because it only imposes penalties for a coach’s misconduct—not suspensions.”
Unless your name happens to be Wade Wilson, anyway.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: Not yet rated
June 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I’d like to point out that as far as Brady is concerned, under current rules, you only have to list 1 reason for a player being on the injury report. Even if he had a more severe injury he was playing through, as long as he’s on the report with 1 of the injuries he has, that is sufficient for league rules and the Pats were allowed to not disclose any others.
As far as Hobbs goes, He didn’t miss any playing time in those games. Kellen Winslow is a f-king soldier, and has been playing with soreness all year.
But let’s keep in mind what the injury report is for. It’s for DISCLOSING PLAYERS THAT ARE PROBABLE, QUESTIONABLE, DOUBTFUL or OUT.
If they knew he was well enough to play and had no risk of missing game time, they have no need to disclose his condition. Just because he knew he’d need offseason injury to eliminate the pain, doesn’t mean he was ever less likely to miss a down. Ellis may have misled you with his comments, but it is well within the rules to know about an injury and keep quiet about the injury if said injury won’t effect your chances of playing.
If a guy has an ingrown toe nail and needs to have offseason surgery to remove it, but just keeps clipping the nail back in the meantime so that it won’t hold him out of any playing time, than you aren’t going to see him on the injury report for it.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3.25 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
“As stated. It’s been done before, and done better. ”
So your view is that the 1970s Dolphins were better cheaters than the Patriots. That’s certainly a novel view from the irrational Patriots hatred camp. I applaud your original thinking.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 2.4 / 5 with 5 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Aw, are the Patsie fans getting angry? Go ahead and rant and rave and throw out your bogus stats and project your anger everywhere except where it should be (your coach). All the rest of us are just laughing harder and harder.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 4 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
What “bogus stats”? How is anyone “project[ing] anger”?
Incidentally, a dozen or so irrational ranters who jealously despise the Patriots and feel the need to obsessively post on this web site hardly constitutes the entire body of people who aren’t Pats fans.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 1.8 / 5 with 5 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
You’re right, Hadley.. everybody else loooooves the Patriots. There are just a couple of us that “jealously despise” them. And, of course, it has nothing to do with the cheating, the hubris, the rudeness, the cheating, the classlessness, the poor sportsmanship, the cheating.. We’re just irrational ranters.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 2 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
cassanove, if you were around when the whole browns left cleveland situation developed -bellycheat shares quite a bit of responsibility for it. his whole attitude of “i am smarter than any browns fans, andthe browns fans can kiss my a$$” mentality was a big part of why the WHOLE city had turned on the browns. factor in the most incompetent owner in pro sports history and you get relocation. and fart modell was so gutless he wouldn’t even show his face again after the move was announced.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 5 / 5 with 1 rating(s)
June 11th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
“You’re right, Hadley.. everybody else loooooves the Patriots.”
Strawman. I never stated that everybody else “loooooves” the Patriots. I suspect most people are ambivalent about them, the way I am ambivalent about the 49ers, the Chiefs, and really most every other team.
“There are just a couple of us that “jealously despise” them. And, of course, it has nothing to do with the cheating, the hubris, the rudeness, the cheating, the classlessness, the poor sportsmanship, the cheating.. We’re just irrational ranters. ”
Yes, you are just irrational ranters. The Patriots broke a rule and were punished, as were many other teams in the recent and not so recent past, including the Broncos, 49ers, Dolphins, etc. The fact that there’s a handful of people who must repeatedly come back here again and again and pretend that “Spygate” is something akin to Profumo, Teapot Dome, Watergate, the Vince Foster “suicide”, and the Black Sox scandal all rolled up into one massive conspiracy can only be described as irrational. And if it is not fueled by jealously I would certainly entertain opinions what fuels it. It’s certainly not some high-minded idealism about the NFL rulebooks because if that were the case the other teams that have broken NFL rules (and done so more recently than the Patriots) would get a similar treatment here - but they do not.
(report as inappropriate)
Rating: 3 / 5 with 2 rating(s)