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Comments on: TUNA WOULD BE WISE NOT TO TALK ABOUT SPYGATE http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:56:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: drock81 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39646 drock81 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:51:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39646 Ra-lo says: June 7th, 2008 at 1:52 pm You do a great job of stirring it up. But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that “Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage.” Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He’s another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated? Uh-uh. I don’t believe every NFL team cheats so spare me the unfounded accusations. And merely writing “to one degree or another” is as weak as you can get. Obviously everyone with an ounce of competitiveness tries to get a competitive advantage. Do they cheat to do it? You’ve been watching too much Law and Order. When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don’t lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don’t, like the Patriots. This is about as stupid as one person can get. Have you not heard Jimmy Johnson on tv talk about how he used to do the same thing? Do you have 1 or 2 brain cells in your empty skull and if you do have two are they fighting with each other? Jimmy learned it from someone and Parcells learned it from someone and so on. How do you think that fat lop of sh$t Mangini figured it out. When he started with Belichick in Cleveland his title was a SPECIAL VIDEO ASSISTANT you idiot. Ra-lo says:
June 7th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
You do a great job of stirring it up. But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that “Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage.” Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He’s another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated? Uh-uh. I don’t believe every NFL team cheats so spare me the unfounded accusations. And merely writing “to one degree or another” is as weak as you can get. Obviously everyone with an ounce of competitiveness tries to get a competitive advantage. Do they cheat to do it? You’ve been watching too much Law and Order. When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don’t lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don’t, like the Patriots.

This is about as stupid as one person can get. Have you not heard Jimmy Johnson on tv talk about how he used to do the same thing? Do you have 1 or 2 brain cells in your empty skull and if you do have two are they fighting with each other? Jimmy learned it from someone and Parcells learned it from someone and so on. How do you think that fat lop of sh$t Mangini figured it out. When he started with Belichick in Cleveland his title was a SPECIAL VIDEO ASSISTANT you idiot.

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]]> By: GR365 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39573 GR365 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:18:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39573 Crime? WTF! It was a rule, not a law. That's what irratates me worse than anything. Murder, selling drugs, driving drunk, not paying your taxes are all crimes...Buddy Ryan actually put bounties out on players! This "Spygate Incident," is closer to jaywalking.. The Patriots didn't have 1 tape last year. The tape was taken away by NFL security during the Jet game! Yet, 18-1? The best record the Pats had during the SuperBowl wins was 14-2. Please explain why they were undefeated during the regular season if the tapes had so much of an advantage? One thing I'll agree with is this taping thing has been going on for a long time! Since Howard Mudd was with the Chiefs. JJ. Phil Simms, qouted on this site and ESPN stated that, "we had all the signals at San Diego and they still beat us 44 to 17!" In summary. We have players beating thier kids, wives, innocent bystanders(Porter), murder, breaking and entering and taxi-drivers. Oucho stinko forgot to pay his taxes? Raffled off a BMW that he never delivared. Pacman put a hit out on a guy. A steroid dealer killed himself recently after giving up some names to the NFL! However, what BB did warrented months of non-stories, wild speculation on ESPN. General character assination for taping signals. How about a little prepective here? Is this really that important? Crime? WTF! It was a rule, not a law. That’s what irratates me worse than anything. Murder, selling drugs, driving drunk, not paying your taxes are all crimes…Buddy Ryan actually put bounties out on players! This “Spygate Incident,” is closer to jaywalking..
The Patriots didn’t have 1 tape last year. The tape was taken away by NFL security during the Jet game! Yet, 18-1? The best record the Pats had during the SuperBowl wins was 14-2. Please explain why they were undefeated during the regular season if the tapes had so much of an advantage? One thing I’ll agree with is this taping thing has been going on for a long time! Since Howard Mudd was with the Chiefs. JJ.
Phil Simms, qouted on this site and ESPN stated that, “we had all the signals at San Diego and they still beat us 44 to 17!”
In summary. We have players beating thier kids, wives, innocent bystanders(Porter), murder, breaking and entering and taxi-drivers. Oucho stinko forgot to pay his taxes? Raffled off a BMW that he never delivared. Pacman put a hit out on a guy. A steroid dealer killed himself recently after giving up some names to the NFL! However, what BB did warrented months of non-stories, wild speculation on ESPN. General character assination for taping signals. How about a little prepective here? Is this really that important?

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39517 JoeSixPack Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:54:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39517 Warrior Monk says: "So crime is not the fault of criminals who choose to break the law, but the fault of victims who don’t take precautions to prevent it? Amazing!" Unless I missed something, Parcells wasn't talking about crime. He was talking about what until this season was considered an obscure football rule that even the NFL front office admitted required some clarification. I think you also need to recognize the context of what Parcells is talking about "stealing" signals - although in this case its not technically a "crime" because stealing signals is legal under the NFL rules - something many fans seemed shocked about when they first heard about Spygate. To this day there's a lot of fans that think that the notion teams would steal signals is appaling and undermines the game, which is pretty funny - and some fans (possibly you?) who don't realize that all teams are stealing signals (and some, but probably not all, are videotaping signals for later analysis.) So what Parcells is saying is that the only way Spygate gave the Patriots any advantage is if other teams were too stupid to change their signals, especially should they play the same team twice. If they don't ever change their signals it might as well be the equivilent of yelling out the play calls to the other team - and even you would have to admit that would be pretty stupid. Warrior Monk says: “So crime is not the fault of criminals who choose to break the law, but the fault of victims who don’t take precautions to prevent it? Amazing!”

Unless I missed something, Parcells wasn’t talking about crime. He was talking about what until this season was considered an obscure football rule that even the NFL front office admitted required some clarification.

I think you also need to recognize the context of what Parcells is talking about “stealing” signals - although in this case its not technically a “crime” because stealing signals is legal under the NFL rules - something many fans seemed shocked about when they first heard about Spygate. To this day there’s a lot of fans that think that the notion teams would steal signals is appaling and undermines the game, which is pretty funny - and some fans (possibly you?) who don’t realize that all teams are stealing signals (and some, but probably not all, are videotaping signals for later analysis.)

So what Parcells is saying is that the only way Spygate gave the Patriots any advantage is if other teams were too stupid to change their signals, especially should they play the same team twice.

If they don’t ever change their signals it might as well be the equivilent of yelling out the play calls to the other team - and even you would have to admit that would be pretty stupid.

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]]> By: Warrior Monk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39493 Warrior Monk Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:32:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39493 So crime is not the fault of criminals who choose to break the law, but the fault of victims who don't take precautions to prevent it? Amazing! So crime is not the fault of criminals who choose to break the law, but the fault of victims who don’t take precautions to prevent it? Amazing!

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]]> By: anthonyf http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39481 anthonyf Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:06:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39481 I love spygate.it's to football what monica lewinsky was to bill clinton. I love spygate.it’s to football what monica lewinsky was to bill clinton.

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]]> By: smilergrogan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39479 smilergrogan Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:01:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39479 blackglass: personally i wouldn't offer this bit of logic- "Andy Reid served under Holmgren, who was under Bill Walsh, who learned from Paul Brown" as the immediate prelude to calling someone besides yourself a "goddamn retard"- which, by the way, seems to me the comment of a jackass on its face. or perhaps your family is immune to disability, whatever its form. blackglass: personally i wouldn’t offer this bit of logic- “Andy Reid served under Holmgren, who was under Bill Walsh, who learned from Paul Brown” as the immediate prelude to calling someone besides yourself a “goddamn retard”- which, by the way, seems to me the comment of a jackass on its face.

or perhaps your family is immune to disability, whatever its form.

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39462 JoeSixPack Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:12:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39462 Parcells is well past the point of caring if someone wants to go digging into his past to see if he "cheated" - he'd probably even be honest like Jimmy Johnson if asked directly by a reporter. I'm amazed that with all the coaches who have now admitted to doing the same thing themselves, or who have noted how many other coaches were doing it, that there are still fans who post comments suggesting that "cheating" is something new or uncommon in the NFL. There's a litany of independent articles that Florio has posted here in an attempt to educate his readers, but apparently one can't stop fan ignorance Here's just one story that dates back to 1967 - documenting cheating back to the 1950s http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html Parcells is well past the point of caring if someone wants to go digging into his past to see if he “cheated” - he’d probably even be honest like Jimmy Johnson if asked directly by a reporter.

I’m amazed that with all the coaches who have now admitted to doing the same thing themselves, or who have noted how many other coaches were doing it, that there are still fans who post comments suggesting that “cheating” is something new or uncommon in the NFL.

There’s a litany of independent articles that Florio has posted here in an attempt to educate his readers, but apparently one can’t stop fan ignorance

Here’s just one story that dates back to 1967 - documenting cheating back to the 1950s

http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

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]]> By: blackglass3 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39453 blackglass3 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:02:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39453 You're dumb as a rock, Ra-lo. Tony Dungy has Howard Mudd, called "one of the best signal stealers in the NFL" by Jimmy Johnson. Andy Reid served under Holmgren, who was under Bill Walsh, who learned from Paul Brown. Also, you're a god damn retard if you think one day Bill Belichick woke up and decided a video camera in an illegal location was going to win him a Super Bowl. So, to sum up, drop dead. You’re dumb as a rock, Ra-lo. Tony Dungy has Howard Mudd, called “one of the best signal stealers in the NFL” by Jimmy Johnson. Andy Reid served under Holmgren, who was under Bill Walsh, who learned from Paul Brown.

Also, you’re a god damn retard if you think one day Bill Belichick woke up and decided a video camera in an illegal location was going to win him a Super Bowl.

So, to sum up, drop dead.

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]]> By: ampats http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39432 ampats Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:19:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39432 Parcells just never got caught. Oh what a tangled web we weave.Being on this site, I thought the ONLY team to EVER try to tape signals was that dastardly Bill Belichick & the Pats.Guess what Pat haters, who is one of the best teams heading into this season AGAIN, the New England Patriots ! Brady/Moss 08 Parcells just never got caught. Oh what a tangled web we weave.Being on this site, I thought the ONLY team to EVER try to tape signals was that dastardly Bill Belichick & the Pats.Guess what Pat haters, who is one of the best teams heading into this season AGAIN, the New England Patriots ! Brady/Moss 08

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]]> By: SevenDollarBologna http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39424 SevenDollarBologna Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:54:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39424 That's just the problem, Ra-lo, we don't know which teams go in which lump- & the league doesn't want us to know either! That’s just the problem, Ra-lo, we don’t know which teams go in which lump- & the league doesn’t want us to know either!

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]]> By: TexasTony http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39421 TexasTony Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:41:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39421 I couldnt resist the igmorance... ...When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don’t lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don’t, like the Patriots. Yes all teams look to bend the rules. With regards the the Pats and "spygate" it wasnt Illegal untill 2006 dumbass. get your facts straight. Yes the broke the rules AFTER goodells memo went out in 06, but 1. stealing sings is perfectly legal only taping them isnt. you can get the same info from the press box, and 2. what about players on the juice... you think there's a team out there that 100% clean of steroids. Hell NO, and trust me casue it seems youve never played a down in your life, players have to make the plays no matter what the coaches know. So steroids is a much more severe problem than taping signals to look for tendencys. Stop eating up everything ESPN says, they have an agenda too and it's $$$. I couldnt resist the igmorance…

…When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don’t lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don’t, like the Patriots.

Yes all teams look to bend the rules. With regards the the Pats and “spygate” it wasnt Illegal untill 2006 dumbass. get your facts straight. Yes the broke the rules AFTER goodells memo went out in 06, but 1. stealing sings is perfectly legal only taping them isnt. you can get the same info from the press box, and 2. what about players on the juice… you think there’s a team out there that 100% clean of steroids. Hell NO, and trust me casue it seems youve never played a down in your life, players have to make the plays no matter what the coaches know. So steroids is a much more severe problem than taping signals to look for tendencys.

Stop eating up everything ESPN says, they have an agenda too and it’s $$$.

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]]> By: TexasTony http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39417 TexasTony Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:35:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39417 I've never posted on here before but i just couldnt resist commenting on your pure ignorance.OMG what an asinine statement to say... ...But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that “Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage.” Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He’s another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated? First off "saint" dungy HAS cheated when he and jeff fisher FIXED last years last regular season game so the titans get into the playoffs. R U kidding me, FIXING a game so one the titans make it and the browns dont, give me a fricken break. If we search closets we'll find skeletons. The only reason "spygate" was a big deal was the Pats were and are on top of the world. if it were oh i dont know the dolphins, who got caught doing the same thing in '06, it would be no big deal. Oh and also Mangina turned them in to the league. don't forget Goodell use to be employed by the Jets. Parcells hit it on the head "way overblown". I’ve never posted on here before but i just couldnt resist commenting on your pure ignorance.OMG what an asinine statement to say…

…But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that “Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage.” Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He’s another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated?

First off “saint” dungy HAS cheated when he and jeff fisher FIXED last years last regular season game so the titans get into the playoffs. R U kidding me, FIXING a game so one the titans make it and the browns dont, give me a fricken break. If we search closets we’ll find skeletons. The only reason “spygate” was a big deal was the Pats were and are on top of the world. if it were oh i dont know the dolphins, who got caught doing the same thing in ‘06, it would be no big deal. Oh and also Mangina turned them in to the league. don’t forget Goodell use to be employed by the Jets.

Parcells hit it on the head “way overblown”.

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]]> By: east96st http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39411 east96st Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:12:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39411 Having been a Giants fan my whole life, I can honestly say that if Parcells cheated and stole defensive signals while he was with the Giants, then the Giants offense (which was never terribly impressive during the Parcells years) was beyond awful. If they knew the defense and STILL couldn't gain more than 3 or 4 yards a clip, that's embarrassing. Having been a Giants fan my whole life, I can honestly say that if Parcells cheated and stole defensive signals while he was with the Giants, then the Giants offense (which was never terribly impressive during the Parcells years) was beyond awful. If they knew the defense and STILL couldn’t gain more than 3 or 4 yards a clip, that’s embarrassing.

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]]> By: Ra-lo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39385 Ra-lo Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:52:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39385 You do a great job of stirring it up. But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that "Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage." Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He's another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated? Uh-uh. I don't believe every NFL team cheats so spare me the unfounded accusations. And merely writing "to one degree or another" is as weak as you can get. Obviously everyone with an ounce of competitiveness tries to get a competitive advantage. Do they cheat to do it? You've been watching too much Law and Order. When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don't lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don't, like the Patriots. You do a great job of stirring it up. But I really take umbrage with your editorializaton that “Every NFL team, to one degree or another, breaks rules in order to secure an advantage.” Tony Dungy cheats? Please. Andy Reid? He’s another boys cout. Dick Vermeil cheated? Uh-uh. I don’t believe every NFL team cheats so spare me the unfounded accusations. And merely writing “to one degree or another” is as weak as you can get. Obviously everyone with an ounce of competitiveness tries to get a competitive advantage. Do they cheat to do it? You’ve been watching too much Law and Order. When teams cheat we find out about it. Please don’t lump the franchises that follow the rules with teams that don’t, like the Patriots.

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]]> By: Super Florio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39381 Super Florio Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:32:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39381 Lebron - Don't stand too close you might catch some splatter. Lebron - Don’t stand too close you might catch some splatter.

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]]> By: DarthJay http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39377 DarthJay Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:26:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39377 Come on now. No one cares about this because it doesn't involve that dastardly prick Bill Belichick or his team that won three Super Bowls this decade. Everyone else is irrelevant, as are their opinions on the matter, that is unless they are the Saint Dungy's of the world and they agree with all the other Lemmings making this into way more then it ever needed to be. But guys like Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and John Gruden saying this isn't a big deal... no way, who cares what they say. What have they ever done in this league? Cue the cry babies to cry about Pats fans having the audacity to think anyone but the Pats ever did this. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Come on now. No one cares about this because it doesn’t involve that dastardly prick Bill Belichick or his team that won three Super Bowls this decade. Everyone else is irrelevant, as are their opinions on the matter, that is unless they are the Saint Dungy’s of the world and they agree with all the other Lemmings making this into way more then it ever needed to be. But guys like Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and John Gruden saying this isn’t a big deal… no way, who cares what they say. What have they ever done in this league?

Cue the cry babies to cry about Pats fans having the audacity to think anyone but the Pats ever did this. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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]]> By: 3efin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39375 3efin Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:21:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39375 " I just hate that some of these guys are going to be known as geniuses for the ages when several of them probably embraced a culture of cheating to get ahead…" -Chief Wahoo Good God some of you people are naive. This sort of thing has been going on in sports FOR EVER!! Do you seriously think that the other coaches in the NFL weren't doing the same thing? Do you really think that the coaches of past dynasties were squeaky clean? Step into the big boy world, and get a clue! ” I just hate that some of these guys are going to be known as geniuses for the ages when several of them probably embraced a culture of cheating to get ahead…” -Chief Wahoo

Good God some of you people are naive. This sort of thing has been going on in sports FOR EVER!! Do you seriously think that the other coaches in the NFL weren’t doing the same thing? Do you really think that the coaches of past dynasties were squeaky clean? Step into the big boy world, and get a clue!

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]]> By: Chief Wahoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39373 Chief Wahoo Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:14:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39373 Looky Lou - Hop Scotch is cool. I don't have a problem with it. And what's hard to believe about someone learning a competitive edge from their boss? It's not too hard to put some of these things together. Bill Parcells: Known for going in and turning around teams. Is it because he's a genius, or because he used some sort of competitive edge which his assistant coaches then decided to try and WIN SUPERBOWLS WITH? Looky Lou - Hop Scotch is cool. I don’t have a problem with it. And what’s hard to believe about someone learning a competitive edge from their boss? It’s not too hard to put some of these things together. Bill Parcells: Known for going in and turning around teams. Is it because he’s a genius, or because he used some sort of competitive edge which his assistant coaches then decided to try and WIN SUPERBOWLS WITH?

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]]> By: Pastabelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39369 Pastabelly Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:09:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39369 The Arrest Meter and Florio Spygate Meter are pretty close. Florio can't go more than two days without mentioning Spygate (or Spygate 2, which never actually took place). The Arrest Meter and Florio Spygate Meter are pretty close. Florio can’t go more than two days without mentioning Spygate (or Spygate 2, which never actually took place).

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]]> By: LebronJeremy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39352 LebronJeremy Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:38:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39352 Crap on the wall is gross Crap on the wall is gross

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]]> By: Looky Lou http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39337 Looky Lou Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:49:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39337 Oh, and "stanjam", is this the first time you've been to this site?....that's what Florio does, he THROWS CRAP AGAINST THE WALL and then he sees what sticks...there is a reason it's called the, "RUMOR MILL" Oh, and “stanjam”, is this the first time you’ve been to this site?….that’s what Florio does, he THROWS CRAP AGAINST THE WALL and then he sees what sticks…there is a reason it’s called the, “RUMOR MILL”

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]]> By: Looky Lou http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39334 Looky Lou Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:47:24 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39334 oh please, "Chief Wahoo" ...God, it's so OBVIOUS that you don't have a clue.....you should give up football and start watching "hop-scotch" I think that's more up your alley....... oh please, “Chief Wahoo” …God, it’s so OBVIOUS that you don’t have a clue…..you should give up football and start watching “hop-scotch” I think that’s more up your alley…….

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]]> By: Chief Wahoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39320 Chief Wahoo Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:05:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39320 Yeah, I've been shouting this Bill Parcells connection from the mountains for several months now, and I'm just now starting to see some major media outlets scratch around the surface of possibilities of how deeply all this ran, and FOR HOW LONG. Most people just want this to go away nowadays, but I just hate that some of these guys are going to be known as geniuses for the ages when several of them probably embraced a culture of cheating to get ahead... Yeah, I’ve been shouting this Bill Parcells connection from the mountains for several months now, and I’m just now starting to see some major media outlets scratch around the surface of possibilities of how deeply all this ran, and FOR HOW LONG. Most people just want this to go away nowadays, but I just hate that some of these guys are going to be known as geniuses for the ages when several of them probably embraced a culture of cheating to get ahead…

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]]> By: stanjam http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39319 stanjam Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:02:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/07/tuna-would-be-wise-not-to-talk-about-spygate/#comment-39319 "But assuming that Belichick learned a thing or two about cheating from his seasons with Parcells." This statement pretty much sums up th problem with Florio's reporting as of late. He is too willing to make any assumption he needs to get to his conclusions. “But assuming that Belichick learned a thing or two about cheating from his seasons with Parcells.” This statement pretty much sums up th problem with Florio’s reporting as of late. He is too willing to make any assumption he needs to get to his conclusions.

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