Comments on: CHAD CURRENTLY PLANS TO CAVE http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:31:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: cincyrob http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37453 cincyrob Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:26:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37453 Is it possible the NFL needs performance based salaries. Keep the signing bonuses and have a base pay per game and incentive laden contracts. You'd see guys begging to play (injured even) if they're getting paid by the tackle or by the catch or by the carry. Can this work ? anyone have an opinion ? can it work the other way ? a fumble costs you money...lol... opps i just dropped 10,000 bucks !! PS I think if the CBA gets broken the leauge will be a mess again. I think free agency and revenue sharing is the best thing to ever happen to the NFL. Is it possible the NFL needs performance based salaries. Keep the signing bonuses and have a base pay per game and incentive laden contracts. You’d see guys begging to play (injured even) if they’re getting paid by the tackle or by the catch or by the carry. Can this work ? anyone have an opinion ? can it work the other way ? a fumble costs you money…lol… opps i just dropped 10,000 bucks !!

PS I think if the CBA gets broken the leauge will be a mess again. I think free agency and revenue sharing is the best thing to ever happen to the NFL.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37207 empty13 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:54:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37207 chad is getting paid a lot considering he is as smart as a "soap dish". if only he remained as quiet as a soap dish... chad is getting paid a lot considering he is as smart as a “soap dish”.

if only he remained as quiet as a soap dish…

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]]> By: b5whodeynation http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37164 b5whodeynation Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:23:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37164 henry plainview, its crazy to think chad has all the leverage. if he had the leverage he wouldnt show up. chad wants more money. not playing hard and using alligator arms on passes thrown his way would not get him more money from the bengals or any other team. even if he stays and tries to pull a TO. he's only an distraction if the players allow him to be. i would give him a chance to perform and if he doesnt give 100% i'd bench him and isolate him from the other players. oh yeah correct me if i'm wrong but i thought 85 said he may retire if he wasnt traded? sounds to me like he lost the war!!! henry plainview, its crazy to think chad has all the leverage. if he had the leverage he wouldnt show up. chad wants more money. not playing hard and using alligator arms on passes thrown his way would not get him more money from the bengals or any other team. even if he stays and tries to pull a TO. he’s only an distraction if the players allow him to be. i would give him a chance to perform and if he doesnt give 100% i’d bench him and isolate him from the other players.

oh yeah correct me if i’m wrong but i thought 85 said he may retire if he wasnt traded?

sounds to me like he lost the war!!!

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]]> By: SkinsFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37156 SkinsFan Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:06:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37156 cincyeaglefan, ok explain to me how keeping Chad helps the team win? You say you expect Chad to tank it and the team will have to sit him. How does that help the team? It doesn't. And meanwhile Chad still makes millions, yeah that'll really show him. He gets paid to do not much and the team continues to lose. I will repeat the SMALL picture is focusing in on how to punish Chad, the BIG picture is focusing in how to put the most competitive team on the field. Unless you can justify how keeping Chad helps the Bengals win, then the decision to keep him is stupid and petty. History lesson: The Bengals basically did the same thing with Corey Dillion. Refused to trade him. He eventually finished out his contract and left as a free agent and Bengals got no compensation. Corey Dillion went on to a successful career with the Patriots and won a SuperBowl and retired happy. So how did punishing Dillion work out... Bengals = Nothing. Dillion = Retired Happy with a SuperBowl. As long as a team is required to pay a player whether they perform or not, the players will always have the leverage. The team can hold their rights and sit them on the bench but they still have to pay them. If there were no salary cap, sure the team can eat the salary loss to stand on principle. But with a cap, that is money that can't be used to replace the talent the team is losing by punishing one player. cincyeaglefan, ok explain to me how keeping Chad helps the team win? You say you expect Chad to tank it and the team will have to sit him. How does that help the team? It doesn’t. And meanwhile Chad still makes millions, yeah that’ll really show him. He gets paid to do not much and the team continues to lose. I will repeat the SMALL picture is focusing in on how to punish Chad, the BIG picture is focusing in how to put the most competitive team on the field. Unless you can justify how keeping Chad helps the Bengals win, then the decision to keep him is stupid and petty.

History lesson: The Bengals basically did the same thing with Corey Dillion. Refused to trade him. He eventually finished out his contract and left as a free agent and Bengals got no compensation. Corey Dillion went on to a successful career with the Patriots and won a SuperBowl and retired happy. So how did punishing Dillion work out… Bengals = Nothing. Dillion = Retired Happy with a SuperBowl.

As long as a team is required to pay a player whether they perform or not, the players will always have the leverage. The team can hold their rights and sit them on the bench but they still have to pay them. If there were no salary cap, sure the team can eat the salary loss to stand on principle. But with a cap, that is money that can’t be used to replace the talent the team is losing by punishing one player.

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]]> By: cincyeaglefan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37069 cincyeaglefan Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:25:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37069 Right on Boberto. The players in Cincy have been wanting Marvin to put his foot down for AWHILE now. He was already a distraction, everything else is downhill from the playoff game. No where to go but up. Someone else mentioned it, and I think that what will happen is he will Randy Moss/Ricky Watters some passes and they can promptly sit his butt on the bench or even keep him inactive for a few games + the four games he'll eventually get for conduct detrimental. Trading him for picks would have been the dumbest thing they could have done. Basically showing every player on the team, throw a fit, get shipped. That is the SMALLER picture SkinsFan. The bigger picture is making sure you know when you come to work for an NFL team. You DO YOUR JOB and ABIDE YOUR ALREADY NICE CONTRACT. Right on Boberto. The players in Cincy have been wanting Marvin to put his foot down for AWHILE now. He was already a distraction, everything else is downhill from the playoff game. No where to go but up. Someone else mentioned it, and I think that what will happen is he will Randy Moss/Ricky Watters some passes and they can promptly sit his butt on the bench or even keep him inactive for a few games + the four games he’ll eventually get for conduct detrimental. Trading him for picks would have been the dumbest thing they could have done. Basically showing every player on the team, throw a fit, get shipped. That is the SMALLER picture SkinsFan. The bigger picture is making sure you know when you come to work for an NFL team. You DO YOUR JOB and ABIDE YOUR ALREADY NICE CONTRACT.

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]]> By: Boberto http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37047 Boberto Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:31:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-37047 Or maybe, since I have to spell it out for you idiot, they don't want players thinking that's what they have to do if they want to be traded. It's stupid to suggest them trading either. And as Florio (I think Florio) pointed out before most of the team likes how they are handling it. Chad will play his heart out next year when the Bengals start winning. Chad has no leverage at all. To even suggest that he did is crazy. Or maybe, since I have to spell it out for you idiot, they don’t want players thinking that’s what they have to do if they want to be traded. It’s stupid to suggest them trading either. And as Florio (I think Florio) pointed out before most of the team likes how they are handling it. Chad will play his heart out next year when the Bengals start winning. Chad has no leverage at all. To even suggest that he did is crazy.

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]]> By: SkinsFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36964 SkinsFan Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:38:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36964 JohnStoffa, you mention the bigger picture but you don't seem to grasp the bigger the picture. The rest of the team will view the Bengals's handling of Chad Johnson as a sign that they don't care about winning or the rest of the players. If they did would trade Chad for assets that could help the others players on the team win and remove the distraction of having him present. By paying Chad millions of dollars to hang out and be a distraction to everyone is not in the best interest of the remaining players - AND THAT IS THE BIGGER PICTURE. You are looking at the small picture - that the Bengals didnt give Chad Johnson what he wanted. But the big picture is how it affects the other players. JohnStoffa, you mention the bigger picture but you don’t seem to grasp the bigger the picture. The rest of the team will view the Bengals’s handling of Chad Johnson as a sign that they don’t care about winning or the rest of the players. If they did would trade Chad for assets that could help the others players on the team win and remove the distraction of having him present. By paying Chad millions of dollars to hang out and be a distraction to everyone is not in the best interest of the remaining players - AND THAT IS THE BIGGER PICTURE. You are looking at the small picture - that the Bengals didnt give Chad Johnson what he wanted. But the big picture is how it affects the other players.

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]]> By: Backinthesaddle http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36939 Backinthesaddle Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:36:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36939 This sort of prima donna behavior is deplorable. He's being paid MILLIONS to play a game and catch a football......yet he's unhappy and sulking like a little girl. I hope he gets his head removed on blind hit. This sort of prima donna behavior is deplorable. He’s being paid MILLIONS to play a game and catch a football……yet he’s unhappy and sulking like a little girl.

I hope he gets his head removed on blind hit.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36925 wingnut Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:58:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36925 @Overlord Vader,Look at the bright side Moss the alligator armed, slow, sulking,rocking kicking little bitch was denied a SuperBowl Ring. @ Moss and Patriots Karma is a MF. @Overlord Vader,Look at the bright side Moss the alligator armed, slow, sulking,rocking kicking little bitch was denied a SuperBowl
Ring.

@ Moss and Patriots Karma is a MF.

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]]> By: JohnStofa http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36892 JohnStofa Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:41:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36892 Who cares? Quarantine him. Let him alligator arm a couple balls and move down on the depth chart. The bigger picture is setting expectations for the rest of your team going forward. You trade him and you've given every prima donna carte blanche to be a TO. From what I've read I think there are a lot of Bengals that would find it entertaining to see Chad frozen out. Who cares?

Quarantine him. Let him alligator arm a couple balls and move down on the depth chart. The bigger picture is setting expectations for the rest of your team going forward. You trade him and you’ve given every prima donna carte blanche to be a TO.

From what I’ve read I think there are a lot of Bengals that would find it entertaining to see Chad frozen out.

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]]> By: Overlord Vader http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36883 Overlord Vader Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36883 Why do you keep looking at TO all he has to do is pull a Moss. That punk alligator armed every catch for a year, ran a step slow, and and sulked. He was then "traded" for a football and two rolls of tape. Chad will play his way out of Cincy and then everyone will make fun of them for not taking the bounty of picks from Washington. Yes football is a business, but the business is winning!, Mike Brown won the battle and lost the war. Why do you keep looking at TO all he has to do is pull a Moss. That punk alligator armed every catch for a year, ran a step slow, and and sulked. He was then “traded” for a football and two rolls of tape. Chad will play his way out of Cincy and then everyone will make fun of them for not taking the bounty of picks from Washington. Yes football is a business, but the business is winning!, Mike Brown won the battle and lost the war.

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]]> By: mrmagoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36870 mrmagoo Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:59:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36870 'Move over TO. It is possible that your dismantling of Philly a few years ago will be totally forgotten if this knucklehead has his way.' I'd have to disagree, Philly was one year removed from a Superbowl appearance. However Chad behaves he is still only destroying the Bengals which is essentially dividing by zero. ‘Move over TO. It is possible that your dismantling of Philly a few years ago will be totally forgotten if this knucklehead has his way.’

I’d have to disagree, Philly was one year removed from a Superbowl appearance. However Chad behaves he is still only destroying the Bengals which is essentially dividing by zero.

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]]> By: SkinsFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36866 SkinsFan Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:45:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36866 Of course he is gonna show up. I said all along he would show up. He is not caving in by showing up, the Bengals want him to not show so that they don't have to pay him and can even fine him. If Chad doesn;t show up the Bengals can move on in peace without giving Chad what he wants and they get a financial bonus. By showing up, Chad is forcing the Bengals hand. The organization and the players will have to deal with the elephant in the room. As much as I dislike Roseanhaus, after going through the situation with Owens a few years ago he knows exactly how to direct his client to achieve his goal of getting traded or released. Even if he doesn't and Bengals org continues to be stubborn, Johnson will get paid a few million dollars this year to basically show and go through the motions with no real effort (and thats even if he faces a 4 game suspension). Of course he is gonna show up. I said all along he would show up. He is not caving in by showing up, the Bengals want him to not show so that they don’t have to pay him and can even fine him. If Chad doesn;t show up the Bengals can move on in peace without giving Chad what he wants and they get a financial bonus. By showing up, Chad is forcing the Bengals hand. The organization and the players will have to deal with the elephant in the room. As much as I dislike Roseanhaus, after going through the situation with Owens a few years ago he knows exactly how to direct his client to achieve his goal of getting traded or released. Even if he doesn’t and Bengals org continues to be stubborn, Johnson will get paid a few million dollars this year to basically show and go through the motions with no real effort (and thats even if he faces a 4 game suspension).

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36858 Henry Plainview Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:18:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36858 Chad isn't caving, he has all the leverage. he comes in on time, the team pays him. he plays half ass, they may sit him but he still gets paid. he could tell the other teams the game plans to get back at the Bengals etc. the fact that he doesn't have to do anything but show up, shows he's in charge. Chad isn’t caving, he has all the leverage. he comes in on time, the team pays him. he plays half ass, they may sit him but he still gets paid. he could tell the other teams the game plans to get back at the Bengals etc. the fact that he doesn’t have to do anything but show up, shows he’s in charge.

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]]> By: bondem777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36843 bondem777 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:46:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36843 I've been a Bengals fan all my life, and I don't want him there. All he is going to do is disrupt the team. The Bengals are pulling together as a team right now and they don't need the distraction. I know Mike Brown is trying to make a point, but the Bengals need for Chad to be gone, and they may as well make something out of the deal. I’ve been a Bengals fan all my life, and I don’t want him there. All he is going to do is disrupt the team. The Bengals are pulling together as a team right now and they don’t need the distraction. I know Mike Brown is trying to make a point, but the Bengals need for Chad to be gone, and they may as well make something out of the deal.

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]]> By: grimmj441 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36821 grimmj441 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:12:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36821 if the bengals didn't want chad he'd be gone. So if chad don't wanna play in cinnci i say let him go!!!!! if the bengals didn’t want chad he’d be gone. So if chad don’t wanna play in cinnci i say let him go!!!!!

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]]> By: BeaverThomasInSC http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36816 BeaverThomasInSC Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:05:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/31/chad-currently-plans-to-cave/#comment-36816 Should anyone be surprised by this?? I think Deter was right. He is really showing his "mental agility" on a continual basis. Move over TO. It is possible that your dismantling of Philly a few years ago will be totally forgotten if this knucklehead has his way. Should anyone be surprised by this??
I think Deter was right. He is really showing his “mental agility” on a continual basis.

Move over TO. It is possible that your dismantling of Philly a few years ago will be totally forgotten if this knucklehead has his way.

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