When we wrote last week that the firing of Eagles V.P. of player personnel Jason Licht might signal the further ascension of V.P. of football administration Howie Roseman, we didn’t realize that Roseman would land in the same job that Licht had occupied.
But that’s exactly what has happened, per a club announcement made earlier on Friday.
“Roseman, 33, will work closely with [coach Andy] Reid and [G.M. Tom] Heckert in all aspects of the player personnel department,” the official release says. “He will manage the college scouting staff, organize and run draft meetings, and scout the top college prospects throughout the country. Roseman will continue to play a large role assisting Reid and Heckert with unrestricted free agency and roster moves throughout the year.”
Said Reid: “Howie has demonstrated a sharp eye for talent evaluation along with a knack for creative draft and free agent strategies. Both Tom and I feel Howie will be an excellent addition to the Philadelphia Eagles personnel staff.”
As a practical matter, the move represents a rare instance in which a cap-and-contracts guy has crossed over into a football role. Usually, the two don’t mix — and there’s a natural rivalry between these categories of team employees.
The cap guys are the bean counters, the Moneyball aficionados. They want to quantify anything and everything. The football guys often make decisions based ultimately on the feeling that develops in the gut based on looking a man in the eye and feeling the grip of his handshake.
The fact that Roseman will now be a football guy is as remarkable as Mike Tannenbaum’s elevation to G.M. in New York. In fact, Roseman’s move might be even more impressive, because at the end of the day Tannenbaum still relies on Terry Bradway to do the bulk of the actual football evaluations. Roseman, though third banana behind Reid and Heckert, apparently will have an active role in scouting and personnel decision-making.
The end result could be a formidable two-specialty front-office employee who will become a household name (at least in football households) for the next three decades.
Then again, maybe Roseman realizes that cap guys might no longer be as critical to the operation of a football team if/when there’s no salary cap, and thus he’s expanding his skill set in order to remain marketable. Either way, it’s a smart move for Roseman and, if he truly has the chops to evaluate players, a smart move for the franchise.
The team also has extended the contract of Heckert. It’s a move that surely will surprise some league insiders who believed based on Heckert’s candidacy for the G.M. job in Atlanta (and the endorsement he received from owner Jeffrey Lurie) that Heckert was on the outs in Philly.
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May 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
In a word…embarrassing. This move by the Eagles is an absolute travesty, and a perfect example of what is wrong with the NFL as it relates to the field of player personnel. Howie Roseman is not a FOOTBALL GUY; he is a lawyer and a “capologist”, and it is a disgrace not only that the Birds got rid of a qualified personnel man in Jason Licht, but that they elevated a guy with ZERO personnel experience to fill his void. The Eagles can dress it up however they want and say that Roseman has worked closely with Heckert evaluating players, but it takes a little more than throwing in one film, watching ESPN, and having an opinion. When has Roseman ever gone on the road? When has he stayed up late writing reports after traveling, watching film, talking to coaches, going to practice, and then moving on to the next town? When has he spent substantial time away from his family “evaluating players”? All of these questions could also be answered by asking the question “When has Terrell Owens NOT looked at himself in a mirror at least twelve times daily?”…HE HASN’T.
It was my understanding that NFL stands for “National FOOTBALL League”, not the “National Litigation League”. There are far too many lawyers and PR spin doctors backstabbing good FOOTBALL people to get high ranking (and let’s not kid ourselves, high PAYING) front office positions in today’s NFL. The sad part is that the owners and other front office decision-makers actually buy into the cons of these inexperienced and unqualified frauds simply because they are in the office flapping their gums while the true personnel people are out on the road busting their behinds for the success of the team. They think, “Oh wow…he has a law degree, he must be REALLY smart…therefore, he knows football.” What a joke! What does it say for moral for a guy like Eagles Director of College Scouting Ryan Grigson when a guy with absolutely no business telling the facility’s janitor anything about scouting and personnel is elevated over top of him despite the fact that Grigson (or the lady who cuts my hair for that matter) is IMMENSELY more qualified for the job? It says that the joke about all the lawyers in the world on the ocean floor being a good start is very apropos, ESPECIALLY when it comes to football. Sorry Mike, I have to call it like I see it!
I do not know Howie Roseman as a person from the man in the moon, but what I do know is that his promotion is a pathetic trend and an absolute disgrace to all those involved in scouting and personnel. Here’s hoping that the Eagles go 0-16 next year and that owners and front office execs can WAKE UP and realized that there is something to be said for the QUALIFIED personnel man.
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May 30th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I’m glad you took you’re firing well Jason….er LBcrazy13.
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May 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Yea, Jason calm down! Get off the ledge……
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May 30th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Moneyball. Hmmmmmm. Howie, be a mensch and get me some Moneyball. And tell that fat twerp noodling around over there the answer is still NO! Those big, crazy schwarzte WRs are head cases! Loony! Zaftig! AND WAY too damned expensive!
And WHO the hell needs to fly all around the country looking at the same damn beefstock everyone ELSE is looking at? Isn’t that what they make film FOR? What the HELL was Licht thinking, spending all that money like it was, like it was, SMALL CHANGE or something. There IS NO SMALL CHANGE, dammit!
What I need is fewer expenses and more efficiency. Lito can play CB and WR - good. Howie can write the contracts and draft the beefstock to sign ‘em - even better. I can use a fine print impresario who can run a tight ship, much more than some damn traveling trainer in a suit and tie. Any idiot can look at film as see who’s going to be a good value, ah, player. Like fat boy over there. OK, maybe not such a great example, but Howie can help him out.
Smart boy, Howie. Knows how to parse a phrase, to pop in provisos, to condition a clause, to delimit a disclaimer, to delineate a fine distinction, to work in a waiver, to encumber an asset but damn good, and when all else fails, to bury ‘em in BS. Knows the value of a dollar too, dammit. Are you saying he can’t judge the value of a side of beef? He can look at film as well as any of these schmucks can. Dammit.
Moneyball. HmmmmMMMMonnnnneyballlllll. Hmmmmmm. Moneyball. I likey.
- Joe Banner
VP Finance, Lurie & Co.
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May 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I am not Jason Licht, Joe Banner, Freddie Mitchell (oh wait…) or anyone affiliated with the Eagles. Just call me a “concerned citizen” when it comes to unqualified people getting high level personnel jobs. Thanks for your interest though.
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May 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
lb- for a person who says he doesn’t know this Roseman, you are pretty clear on his skill sets (or lack thereof). the zeal and specificity in your post sounds as if you have an axe to grind in the matter.. now you may be exactly right, i have no way of knowing. i suspect that this indicates an increase in the influence of the banner (lurie) wing, now putting a person on the football side.
The structure of the front office as long as Andy Reid remains coach/defacto gm seems to me pretty irrelevant. Andy is going to do what he wants, regardless of the collegiality and collaborative portrayal. Does anyone think the Eagles would hire a true g.m. if heckert got hired elsewhere? Does anyone envision Lurie through Roseman overruling Andy ala Bob Kraft? As a wish, perhaps this Roseman is a specialist on linebackers and receivers, because Reid/Heckert et. al. have wasted more high draft picks on these two positions than all their years of scheming trading and hoarding of draft picks have yielded. Overall, however, they have been average to slightly above average as drafters, although they seem to have graded themselves much higher (gold standard?).
As a lifelong Eagle fan, I’m more worried about the post-Reid front office. I’m afraid it will look like Dallas’s both before and after Parcells, when the owner and his handpicked yes-men ran the draft and the team. I don’t think Jeff Lurie (or Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft for that matter) will ever give so much power to anyone again, and this may be the first in a series of moves that makes this so. Then, your fear of non-football people being in charge will resonate much more.
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May 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
so, roseman has worked closely on draft strategies huh. well that says two things.
one, he obviously is down with the silly assertion that a team that thinks it’s a super bowl team *cough* even though they went 8-8, and should have been 8-8 the year before, can simply punt on their first round picks two years in a row.
second, i think what “works closely with” really means is that he’s another yes man in the gestapo echo chamber and that licht probably made the mistake of actually offering differing opinions or god forbid disagreed and therefore was shown the door.
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May 31st, 2008 at 12:42 am
Maybe LBCRAZY is really Ryan Grigson? I’ve been an Eagle fan for many years and never heard of him and his “immense qualifications” for the job.
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May 31st, 2008 at 2:07 am
The Eagles are average at drafting? Let’s examine that statement –
Current draft choices that are currently starting for the Eagles.
- LT Tra Thomas
- LG Todd Herremans
- C Jamaal Jackson (UDFA signing)
- RG Shawn Andrews
- TE LJ Smith
- QB Donovan McNabb
- RB Brian Westbrook
- DE Trent Cole
- DT Mike Patterson
- DT Broderick Bunkley
- LB Chris Gocong
- LB Stewart Bradley
- LB Omar Gaither
- S Brian Dawkins
- S/ST Quentin Mikell
- CB Sheldon Brown
- CB Lito Sheppard
Look at all of the pro-bowlers in that list, and tell me the Eagles are “average” drafters. What f’n garbage, man…
They’ve got alot of young talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They were playing incredibly well at the end of last season, and with the addition of Samuel, has all of the makings of a Top 5 defense.
Show me a team that is just an outstanding drafter, and is able to draft all pro-bowl level players every round, and that NEVER misses on a high draft pick. It’s a crapshoot… While they could definitely do better in the WR department, I’d say their overall drafting is pretty damned good.
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May 31st, 2008 at 8:42 am
“Maybe LBCRAZY is really Ryan Grigson? I’ve been an Eagle fan for many years and never heard of him and his “immense qualifications” for the job.”
OK…last post on this matter…
I am also NOT Ryan Grigson or ANYONE associated with the Eagles (as I said in my previous post). Most fans haven’t heard of anyone short of the final decision-maker in the personnel department, that’s just the nature of the profession. But like any fan could, I merely looked at the scouting & personnel department listings online and based on who is left, Grigson is a 10 year scouting vet who holds the next highest-ranking position in the department.
I’m not sure why people are making it out like the center of my distaste for this whole thing is Howie Roseman. The focus of my digust is on THE SITUATION. Ever hear of the Head of Anesthesiology getting promoted to become Head of Surgery over qualified surgeons within the medical community or especially the same hospital? The answer is NO, because those in the medical trade can recognize the difference in the two positions and that they each have their own importance to the process. A legal eagle capologist in in no way qualified to run the personnel department, and THAT is what set me off here.
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May 31st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
LB, you need some serious psychological help. Let it go, man. What do you care who the VP of player personnel for the eagles is. Don’t be so bitter about something so minor. When the eagles win games, I don’t say great job VP of player personnel! Did you apply for the job and get turned down?
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June 1st, 2008 at 10:54 am
@ governmentcheese says:
“The Eagles are average at drafting? Let’s examine that statement –
Current draft choices that are currently starting for the Eagles.”
Is it really that hard to start for an 8-8 team?
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