In an item on SI.com that we meant to highlight a week ago but inadvertently forgot to mention, former NFL lineman Ross Tucker confirms the contention of former Pats employee Matt Walsh that the Patriots allowed some players on injured reserve to participate in practice.
The Tucker article gained attention today on ESPN.com because Tucker reiterated his remarks while being interviewed on ESPN’s NFL Live.
Said Tucker in the first paragraph of his May 15 article: “Walsh’s comments to commissioner Roger Goodell . . . that New England had players on injured reserve participate in practice wasn’t news to me. I had heard the Patriots did this before I signed with them in 2005 and I saw it firsthand during my time there. I asked veteran receiver Troy Brown about it one time and he responded, ‘Every team in the league does that.’ I quickly let him know none of the three teams I played for previously had done so.”
As Tucker explained, using players in IR in practice gave the players repetitions, which in theory helped them to develop. It also saved wear and tear on the players who weren’t on IR.
Omitted from the ESPN.com article is any reference to Tucker’s belief that other teams are bending and/or breaking rules in search for an edge.
“Bending rules is a fact of life in the NFL,” Tucker wrote. “From ballboys allowing the opposing team’s footballs to get soaked, to hotel employees scouring rooms for game plan sheets after a team heads to the stadium, there are several ways to get in on the act. Seemingly no organization, no matter how accomplished or destitute it may be, is immune from the win-at-all-costs mentality. Some teams cheat and never get caught. Others simply refrain from breaking the rules but bend them right to the breaking point.”
Though the ESPN.com item regarding Tucker’s allegations cites a report from the Patriot Ledger of Quincy, Massachusetts in support of the assertion that Goodell will investigate the allegation that the Pats used IR players in practice, Goodell said during his May 13 press conference that, even if the allegations are substantiated, no further action would be taken against the Patriots.
“[T]he way we normally handle those matters,” Goodell said, “those are a matter of a team fine, if they are verified, and then they are handled on that basis. I would expect that if we were to verify it, that I would consider it part of the fine that I implemented against the Patriots, close to $750,000 between the Patriots and Bill Belichick, and I would not take any further action on that.”
But what of Goodell’s vow that, if he determines that the Patriots have engaged in rules violations to which they had not previously admitted, Goodell would throw the book at them? The Patriots received an opportunity in September 2007 to confess their sins; if they didn’t admit to using players on IR in practice and if they actually did and if that’s a violation of the rules, isn’t that evidence of a breaking of the rules to which the team failed to admit?
We’re not saying that Goodell should throw the book at the Pats; we’re only pointing out the fact that Goodell said that he would, if evidence arose of new cheating.
“Taping a walkthrough is much different from what I punished them for,” Goodell said last month regarding his then-pending meeting with Matt Walsh. Well, so is using players in practice who supposedly are hurt and unable to practice or play for the rest of the season.
We mention this for one reason — it meshes with the rumor that coach Bill Belichick warned Goodell that, if Goodell were to come after Belichick or the Patriots again for cheating, Belichick would publicly blow the whistle on all of the specific cheating practices in which other teams engage.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 pm
When did all this “spygate” stuff happen? Never heard of it.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Dynasties don’t lose Super Bowls…
A lot of teams also cheat, but there’s only one who was caught.
Tainted.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Oh what a tangled web…
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May 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Too bad Goodell isn’t pushing it. I would love to see BB bury him.
I guess we’ll all have to wait until BB is retired and writes a book until we get the full story.
Until then, casual football fans and pats-haters will continue to talk as if the Pats are the only team to break any rules.
Everyone hates a Dynasty. It’s natural to be bitter… but you don’t have to be stupid AND bitter.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Here’s the part where all the delusional Pats fans flood the thread and go into full character assasination mode on this guy, just like they did with Matt Walsh. So predictable.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
It wasn’t a coincidence that the Patriots were one of the teams at last year’s owners meeting that voted against the defensive helmets.
And was anything every looked into regarding jammed radio signals?
Lewis:”We played a game in Foxborough; I was sending in our play,and you won’t believe what happened.”
Dungy: “Phones went dead,right?”
Lewis: “Yeah…how’d you know?”
Dungy:”Happened to us”
We’ll never know the full extent of the Pats’ cheating.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 pm
And what Florio doesn’t mention is that James Hasty and Marcellus Wiley were both also on NFL Live and stated that no team they’d ever played for broke the IR rules that the Partiots did. That’s 3 players in one segment who’ve all played for multiple teams at different times saying they’d never seen it from anybody else.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Wonder why the other 8 or 9 teams voted against the defensive radios. I remember reading that it was because they were offense-minded head coaches (except for Bellicheat). Or could it be ….
I don’t think Goodell should allow himself to be intimidated, and I also think he should have made Bellicheat tell him who else was doing it. Let them check EVERY team.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 pm
I wish belichick would turn rat and expose other teams cheating practices , it would at the very least shut up self righteous and naive fans of other teams
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
“And was anything every looked into regarding jammed radio signals?”
Yeah, there was an NFL official on the sidelines controlling it for EVERY home game this year. Roger Goodell also specifically shot this down in his press conference after meeting with Matt Walsh. But hey, no need to dwell in little things called facts or anything. You seem to make your living around these parts off hyperbole, so good for you.
“We’ll never know the full extent of the Pats’ cheating.”
Thank you captain obvious, we’ll also never know the full extent of the rest of the NFL’s cheating. Oh yeah, that’s right, only the Patriots cheat…
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
When I said check the other teams, etc., I was being facetious, i.e., Bellicheat has no names to give and if Goodell had the other 31 teams checked, they’d have found them all clean.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
hey spyboots. Are you retarded man. The Pats voted for the headset rule. They voted against it last year with about 20 other teams. The only teams that voted for it last year were the offensive coaches like Martz. Gets your facts straight before you post about stuff you have no clue about and sound stupid.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
IR-GATE!!!
spygate
HGH gate
patriots sure know how to stack ‘em up
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
oh, and plainview,
celtics lost at home. oops. i guess you still have the red sox
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Belichik is shady as hell. His whole demeanor is suspect. If Goodell seems so hell bent on pacman, why not make an example out of a coach who just flagrantly cheats and ten puffs his chest out at critics.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Belicheat can’t say anything about other teams because he has no clue what other teams are doing. If he had evidence he would’ve presented it long ago. That whole rumor about him threatening to “expose” other teams was simply that….a rumor.
Let’s not pretend Belicheat is too honorable to “rat” on other teams. This is a guy who cheated on his wife, has conducted himself like a total douche to just about every human he’s come in contact with in the NFL, cheated for over 6 years and then showed zero accountability when caught and exposed (by his arch nemesis no less LOL), and then tried smearing the guy who had evidence of what he’d done and *GASP* actually dared use it against him and tell the world specifically what he’d done and how calculated the operation was.
Belicheat’s a scumbag, and if he could’ve taken anybody else down with him he’d have surely done it by now.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 pm
You guys just need to stop whining. You just come across are sore losers.
On other related news, There is no such thing as the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus did not really come down your chimney.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 pm
“Dynasties don’t lose Super Bowls…
A lot of teams also cheat, but there’s only one who was caught.
Tainted. ”
this comment serves no purpose other than to incite patriot fans to respond and/or whine. i wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with it, except it’s not entirely accurate.
a number of teams have been punished and lost draft picks for various offenses over the years, they’ve just never been for offenses that directly impacted the game like the patriots cheating.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I hope Belichick rats out all the other teams. Once that happens, all those coaches who have remained silent about Belicheat will unload on the cheating bast*rd. I would love to see Belicheat try and PROVE any of his accusations. Specter is dying to see that happen. That’s all he needs to prove the need for a Senate investigation.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
The Dead Horse comes back again. Is there any Arena football news? What’s next the Patriots don’t recycle all their bottles and cans?
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
“Debacled says:
Too bad Goodell isn’t pushing it. I would love to see BB bury him.
I guess we’ll all have to wait until BB is retired and writes a book until we get the full story.
Until then, casual football fans and pats-haters will continue to talk as if the Pats are the only team to break any rules.
Everyone hates a Dynasty. It’s natural to be bitter… but you don’t have to be stupid AND bitter. ”
what do you mean “bury” him? if belichick rats out other teams, it will show even more clearly what a sore loser and poor sport he is (and frankly patriot fans ongoing support of the notion that belichick should “come out” continues to show what poor sports boston fans are proving to be in general).
belichick cheated. belichick was repeatedly warned about the cheating. belichick got punished for ignoring the warnings. it’s a simple equation. bringing other teams into it only serves to further damage the game. it does not in any way absolve the patriots cheating.
i continue to be baffled by patriot fans notion that this has anything at all to do with jealousy or bitterness. it has everything to do with a program that didn’t just push the envelope on rules, it ignored the rules completely.
i’ve written in my own blog frequently how i thought belichick was the greatest coach i’d ever seen in any sport, and also that cheating is to be expected considering the stakes. however, if you get caught, you take your medicine like a man. belichick and boston fans seem incapable of doing that, which is unfortunate because i continue to lose respect for both daily.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
“It’s natural to be bitter… but you don’t have to be stupid AND bitter.”
That’s a perfect description of a Cheatriot fan: stupid and bitter that everyone considers them rotten cheaters.
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May 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 am
“bledsoe9mm9 says:
I wish belichick would turn rat and expose other teams cheating practices , it would at the very least shut up self righteous and naive fans of other teams ”
after all that has (and continues to) come to light, do you seriously believe that any team ignored rules at even close to the same rate as the patriots? i feel bad for you if you do.
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May 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 am
Marcellus Wiley is probably telling the truth about that issue, but I want everyone here reading this to listen to Dat Dude whenever he talks about the Falcons on NFL Live. He rips them to shreds. Something tells me that he’s got a hard-on for Mike Smith. Mike was Wiley’s last defensive coordinator (in Jacksonville). I guess Wiley didn’t think he was finished as a player, but Smith sure as hell knew that he was. I love that kind of vendetta stuff. You’d think an Ivy Leaguer like Marcellus would be above such nonsense, right?
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May 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 am
How convenient. Former football player turned writer for ESPN writes his first column slagging the Pats. Must be an initiation or the best practices manual for all ESPN hacks who wants to gain instant recognition.
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