Comments on: IS TAGLIABUE’S HALL BID DOOMED? http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:10:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33610 Vox Veritas Thu, 22 May 2008 17:03:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33610 "You are also an idiot since the Kraft family and the Jones family have a good working relationship. The families are also very close outsided of football and Bob Kraft consults with Jerry Jones quite frequently." DUH, they're business partners and it's bad for any business if the partners don't have a good working relationship and don't support each other. Why is this so hard for some people to get? Guys like Kraft and Jones are smart enough to know that if you have to give a little to your partners sometime, you'll get a little some other time. There's too much money at stake to play hardball all the time and you've got to be able to get up in the morning and forget all about what that jackass across the table said at the owner's meeting yesterday. But this Spygate thing... that's nothing but cheating your partners. Don't be surprised of some owners hold a little private resentment over it, but continue to show public support for the "greater good" of keeping profits maximized. I think Jerry Jones suffered from a bit of that after he did his sponsorship deals until everybody else started doing it and making buttloads of money off of it. And before anybody jumps on me for ragging on the Patriots, don't forget that I have cleared the air as to who actually started the stadium sponsorship thing, and there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that the owners absolutely love them now. That was a great bit of foresight on Kraft's part. I think most people thought that was Jerry Jones' idea, but it wasn't. He just sort of went crazy with the idea. There was even an "official brick of Texas Stadium" (Acme Brick, by the way) at one point. I always thought the official brick of Texas Stadium was any Quincy Carter pass. HAW! “You are also an idiot since the Kraft family and the Jones family have a good working relationship. The families are also very close outsided of football and Bob Kraft consults with Jerry Jones quite frequently.”

DUH, they’re business partners and it’s bad for any business if the partners don’t have a good working relationship and don’t support each other. Why is this so hard for some people to get? Guys like Kraft and Jones are smart enough to know that if you have to give a little to your partners sometime, you’ll get a little some other time. There’s too much money at stake to play hardball all the time and you’ve got to be able to get up in the morning and forget all about what that jackass across the table said at the owner’s meeting yesterday. But this Spygate thing… that’s nothing but cheating your partners. Don’t be surprised of some owners hold a little private resentment over it, but continue to show public support for the “greater good” of keeping profits maximized. I think Jerry Jones suffered from a bit of that after he did his sponsorship deals until everybody else started doing it and making buttloads of money off of it.

And before anybody jumps on me for ragging on the Patriots, don’t forget that I have cleared the air as to who actually started the stadium sponsorship thing, and there should be no doubt in anybody’s mind that the owners absolutely love them now. That was a great bit of foresight on Kraft’s part. I think most people thought that was Jerry Jones’ idea, but it wasn’t. He just sort of went crazy with the idea. There was even an “official brick of Texas Stadium” (Acme Brick, by the way) at one point. I always thought the official brick of Texas Stadium was any Quincy Carter pass. HAW!

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33593 Vox Veritas Thu, 22 May 2008 16:43:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33593 "BTW, I never said the lawsuit against Jones had merit. I said the reason he got sued was because he did a stadium sponsorship deal with a direct competitor of one of the league’s biggest sponsors. No one had done that at that point." Except for Robert Kraft. Why is Pepsi a "direct competitor of one of the league sponsors" when Jones got a deal with them, but not when Kraft got a deal with them that predated Jones' deal? Forget the "team sponsor/stadium sponsor" issue that renders the lawsuit frivolous, they both had stadium sponsorship deals with Pepsi! After researching the issue a bit, I also found out that the 49ers also had an existing stadium sponsorship with PowerAde, which was a direct competitor of Gatorade, which was also one of the league's biggest sponsors. Gosh man, that stuff made the lawsuit beyond just frivolous. It was borderline insane to even pay the fees to file the paperwork in the first place. How could all of these smart rich guys and their armies of lawyers get so stupid all at the same time? I'd almost swear that this all was a calculated plan on Jones' part, it worked out so perfectly for him. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Tagliabue wasn't biased... but if it wasn't a bias thing, it had to be a mass stupidity thing. “BTW, I never said the lawsuit against Jones had merit. I said the reason he got sued was because he did a stadium sponsorship deal with a direct competitor of one of the league’s biggest sponsors. No one had done that at that point.”

Except for Robert Kraft. Why is Pepsi a “direct competitor of one of the league sponsors” when Jones got a deal with them, but not when Kraft got a deal with them that predated Jones’ deal? Forget the “team sponsor/stadium sponsor” issue that renders the lawsuit frivolous, they both had stadium sponsorship deals with Pepsi! After researching the issue a bit, I also found out that the 49ers also had an existing stadium sponsorship with PowerAde, which was a direct competitor of Gatorade, which was also one of the league’s biggest sponsors. Gosh man, that stuff made the lawsuit beyond just frivolous. It was borderline insane to even pay the fees to file the paperwork in the first place. How could all of these smart rich guys and their armies of lawyers get so stupid all at the same time? I’d almost swear that this all was a calculated plan on Jones’ part, it worked out so perfectly for him. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe Tagliabue wasn’t biased… but if it wasn’t a bias thing, it had to be a mass stupidity thing.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33579 Vox Veritas Thu, 22 May 2008 16:33:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33579 "This thread is about Tagliabue and you are trying to highjack it to constantly beat on the Patriots." My comments were re: Tagliabue's lopsided treatment of the Patriots and Cowboys, with a sidenote about Kraft. Don't like it? Move on, chump. "Bob Kraft is still one of the most respected owners in the league (as shown by his stand obvation at the owners meetings last month)." Yeah. Gene Upshaw gets a lot of public displays of affection from the owners, too. "Whatever people around the league thinks of Belichick doesn’t transfer to Kraft." Don't bet on it. It's in every owner's best interest to support Kraft publicly. Doing otherwise impugns the integrity of the league. It has to be "no big deal" or the NFL risks a rep of being considered closer to pro rasslin' than an actual competive sport and all of the financial negatives associated with that. "No one with any objectivity believes Kraft micromanages the Patriots organization to know what the third camera guy is doing during the game." I guess he ALSO didn't know that Belichick was lying when he said that he "misinterpreted the rules" before he gave him that top secret contract extension that essentially makes up for the fine that Belichick got from the league offices (wink wink). “This thread is about Tagliabue and you are trying to highjack it to constantly beat on the Patriots.”

My comments were re: Tagliabue’s lopsided treatment of the Patriots and Cowboys, with a sidenote about Kraft. Don’t like it? Move on, chump.

“Bob Kraft is still one of the most respected owners in the league (as shown by his stand obvation at the owners meetings last month).”

Yeah. Gene Upshaw gets a lot of public displays of affection from the owners, too.

“Whatever people around the league thinks of Belichick doesn’t transfer to Kraft.”

Don’t bet on it. It’s in every owner’s best interest to support Kraft publicly. Doing otherwise impugns the integrity of the league. It has to be “no big deal” or the NFL risks a rep of being considered closer to pro rasslin’ than an actual competive sport and all of the financial negatives associated with that.

“No one with any objectivity believes Kraft micromanages the Patriots organization to know what the third camera guy is doing during the game.”

I guess he ALSO didn’t know that Belichick was lying when he said that he “misinterpreted the rules” before he gave him that top secret contract extension that essentially makes up for the fine that Belichick got from the league offices (wink wink).

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]]> By: Casanova http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33403 Casanova Thu, 22 May 2008 07:38:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33403 "Here’s another fact. Jones is considered a brilliant marketing mind and is viewed as a great partner by the vast majority of owners. Do you think that Kraft enjoys that same rep in light of the Spygate scandal?" You must be an idiot since you clearly don't know (or don't want to know) how much power Robert Kraft actually wields inside the NFL. You are also an idiot since the Kraft family and the Jones family have a good working relationship. The families are also very close outsided of football and Bob Kraft consults with Jerry Jones quite frequently. “Here’s another fact. Jones is considered a brilliant marketing mind and is viewed as a great partner by the vast majority of owners. Do you think that Kraft enjoys that same rep in light of the Spygate scandal?”

You must be an idiot since you clearly don’t know (or don’t want to know) how much power Robert Kraft actually wields inside the NFL.

You are also an idiot since the Kraft family and the Jones family have a good working relationship. The families are also very close outsided of football and Bob Kraft consults with Jerry Jones quite frequently.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33263 Rob0769 Wed, 21 May 2008 22:07:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33263 BTW, I never said the lawsuit against Jones had merit. I said the reason he got sued was because he did a stadium sponsorship deal with a direct competitor of one of the league's biggest sponsors. No one had done that at that point. That is why Kraft and Huizenga didn't get sued. They had their own stadium sponsorship deals with league approved sponsors. Right or wrong, the league only cared about sponors that were in direct conflict with their own sponsors. BTW, I never said the lawsuit against Jones had merit. I said the reason he got sued was because he did a stadium sponsorship deal with a direct competitor of one of the league’s biggest sponsors. No one had done that at that point. That is why Kraft and Huizenga didn’t get sued. They had their own stadium sponsorship deals with league approved sponsors. Right or wrong, the league only cared about sponors that were in direct conflict with their own sponsors.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33260 Rob0769 Wed, 21 May 2008 21:55:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33260 Vox Veritas, This thread is about Tagliabue and you are trying to highjack it to constantly beat on the Patriots. There is no need to feed your obvious obsession with the Patriots anymore. Bob Kraft is still one of the most respected owners in the league (as shown by his stand obvation at the owners meetings last month). Whatever people around the league thinks of Belichick doesn't transfer to Kraft. No one with any objectivity believes Kraft micromanages the Patriots organization to know what the third camera guy is doing during the game. Vox Veritas,

This thread is about Tagliabue and you are trying to highjack it to constantly beat on the Patriots. There is no need to feed your obvious obsession with the Patriots anymore. Bob Kraft is still one of the most respected owners in the league (as shown by his stand obvation at the owners meetings last month). Whatever people around the league thinks of Belichick doesn’t transfer to Kraft. No one with any objectivity believes Kraft micromanages the Patriots organization to know what the third camera guy is doing during the game.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33246 Vox Veritas Wed, 21 May 2008 20:49:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33246 "Where are Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown’s apologies???" They're not coming, since those bumpkins voted against the CBA only because of the revenue sharing aspect. The rest of the NFL will *never* give those guys what they want regarding shared revenue. They're trying to get into the "pot luck dinner" while bringing nothing but their appetites and a huuuuuge sense of entitlement. “Where are Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown’s apologies???”

They’re not coming, since those bumpkins voted against the CBA only because of the revenue sharing aspect. The rest of the NFL will *never* give those guys what they want regarding shared revenue. They’re trying to get into the “pot luck dinner” while bringing nothing but their appetites and a huuuuuge sense of entitlement.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33241 Vox Veritas Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33241 "So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots?" Naah, just the ones where they deserve it. "Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn’t in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court." That's funny, since Kraft obviously felt that his deal was somehow different from Jones' deals. The thing is, you can't lose those deals unless you lose in court, and without a plaintiff suing you, there's no risk of losing your deals. The only owner that was vocally against the suit was Al Davis, and Davis' name was omitted from Jones' countersuit as a result. "Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium." Right. That's because it was a stadium sponsorship deal, not a team sponsorship deal. "Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn’t have been sued." OK, here are some facts. The NFL's suit against Jones had absolutely no merit. That's why they ultimately dropped it. He shouldn't have been sued in the first place! As I said, Al Davis was the only opposition to the suit, and he was the only owner not named in Jones' countersuit as a result. Every other NFL owner had the chance to speak out about the suit just like Al Davis did when the issue was tabled, and they refused. ThAT IS TACIT APPROVAL of the lawsuit whether you want to admit it or not. Here's another fact. Jones is considered a brilliant marketing mind and is viewed as a great partner by the vast majority of owners. Do you think that Kraft enjoys that same rep in light of the Spygate scandal? “So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots?”

Naah, just the ones where they deserve it.

“Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn’t in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court.”

That’s funny, since Kraft obviously felt that his deal was somehow different from Jones’ deals. The thing is, you can’t lose those deals unless you lose in court, and without a plaintiff suing you, there’s no risk of losing your deals. The only owner that was vocally against the suit was Al Davis, and Davis’ name was omitted from Jones’ countersuit as a result.

“Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium.”

Right. That’s because it was a stadium sponsorship deal, not a team sponsorship deal.

“Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn’t have been sued.”

OK, here are some facts. The NFL’s suit against Jones had absolutely no merit. That’s why they ultimately dropped it. He shouldn’t have been sued in the first place! As I said, Al Davis was the only opposition to the suit, and he was the only owner not named in Jones’ countersuit as a result. Every other NFL owner had the chance to speak out about the suit just like Al Davis did when the issue was tabled, and they refused. ThAT IS TACIT APPROVAL of the lawsuit whether you want to admit it or not.

Here’s another fact. Jones is considered a brilliant marketing mind and is viewed as a great partner by the vast majority of owners. Do you think that Kraft enjoys that same rep in light of the Spygate scandal?

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]]> By: Buffalo66 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33192 Buffalo66 Wed, 21 May 2008 19:38:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33192 Where are Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown's apologies??? Where are Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown’s apologies???

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]]> By: Buffalo66 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33129 Buffalo66 Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33129 More appropriately, where to Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown go to get their "We were right!" buttons after voting against the previous agreement that all owners want out of now??? More appropriately, where to Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown go to get their “We were right!” buttons after voting against the previous agreement that all owners want out of now???

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33125 Rob0769 Wed, 21 May 2008 17:50:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33125 Tagliabue of course deserves to be in the Hall. Prior to when he took over, Baseball was king throughout the land. Even the NBA was more popular in most areas of the country. He implementing the salary cap gave every team a chance to compete and made the sport the most popular team in the land. Yes, he screwed up the last CBA agreement, but it is not something that cannot be fixed. If it isn't the lionshare of the blame belongs to Goodell, owners, and the NFLPA. Not Tagliabue. The salary cap system was working. Tagliabue of course deserves to be in the Hall. Prior to when he took over, Baseball was king throughout the land. Even the NBA was more popular in most areas of the country. He implementing the salary cap gave every team a chance to compete and made the sport the most popular team in the land. Yes, he screwed up the last CBA agreement, but it is not something that cannot be fixed. If it isn’t the lionshare of the blame belongs to Goodell, owners, and the NFLPA. Not Tagliabue.

The salary cap system was working.

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]]> By: vincelombardi http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33123 vincelombardi Wed, 21 May 2008 17:44:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33123 hey longdarkface, MAYBE if you knew anything about the nfl before 1990 you would know the browns dominated the 50s (7 title games in 10 years) they had the HIGHEST winning percentage of ALL proffesional sports all the way into the 80s, they had more HOFers than any team up into the 80s, i know you think the league started around 1989 but trust me there was a league when you were still in diapers. and if fart moe-dell had never bought the team , they still would be a storied franchise, get the facts before you start showing your ignorance, better to have people assume you are a jackass, than open your mouth and have it confirmed! hey longdarkface, MAYBE if you knew anything about the nfl before 1990 you would know the browns dominated the 50s (7 title games in 10 years) they had the HIGHEST winning percentage of ALL proffesional sports all the way into the 80s, they had more HOFers than any team up into the 80s, i know you think the league started around 1989 but trust me there was a league when you were still in diapers. and if fart moe-dell had never bought the team , they still would be a storied franchise, get the facts before you start showing your ignorance, better to have people assume you are a jackass, than open your mouth and have it confirmed!

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]]> By: Dirty_Waters http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33118 Dirty_Waters Wed, 21 May 2008 17:24:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33118 Does this mean Gene Upshaw is a lock to make the HOF? Does this mean Gene Upshaw is a lock to make the HOF?

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33115 Rob0769 Wed, 21 May 2008 17:21:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33115 Vox Veritas, So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots? Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn't in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court. Kraft is a smart businessman and the lawsuit vs. Jones was not good business for Kraft and the Patriots. Also, Jones was sued because he made a deal with Nike when Reebok was the official sponsor of the NFL and Pepsi and American Express didn't have league deals. Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium. That is why they sued Jones. Kraft had nothing to do with it and really had no reason to get involved. Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn't have been sued. Vox Veritas,

So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots? Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn’t in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court. Kraft is a smart businessman and the lawsuit vs. Jones was not good business for Kraft and the Patriots.

Also, Jones was sued because he made a deal with Nike when Reebok was the official sponsor of the NFL and Pepsi and American Express didn’t have league deals. Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium. That is why they sued Jones. Kraft had nothing to do with it and really had no reason to get involved.

Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn’t have been sued.

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]]> By: Skew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33108 Skew Wed, 21 May 2008 17:03:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33108 [Stoogie says: May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am kellyb9 says: May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am “I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.” "Please tell us that you really meant “parity” and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/ "] Does this make Stoogie the official PFT Grammer Hammar? [Stoogie says:

May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am

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May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am

“I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.”

“Please tell us that you really meant “parity” and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/ “]

Does this make Stoogie the official PFT Grammer Hammar?

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]]> By: longdarkface http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33100 longdarkface Wed, 21 May 2008 16:42:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33100 I love this "one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland!" Seriously? I guess if never making the playoffs and being from a dump of a city makes for good stories than the Browns are one of the most storied franchises in sports. I guess the biggest sports teams in NFL history are the Browns, Saints, and Cardinals. So sad the Bucs had to jump off that list... things looked so promising back with Steve Spurrier. I love this “one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland!” Seriously? I guess if never making the playoffs and being from a dump of a city makes for good stories than the Browns are one of the most storied franchises in sports. I guess the biggest sports teams in NFL history are the Browns, Saints, and Cardinals. So sad the Bucs had to jump off that list… things looked so promising back with Steve Spurrier.

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]]> By: vincelombardi http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33097 vincelombardi Wed, 21 May 2008 16:39:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33097 streetlight, you really think "tags" had anything to do with the price of the franchises going up? are you serious? he has had as much to do with the success of the nfl under his watch as trent dilfer did on the ravens winning the super bowl . he was like the character in the movie "being there". he's joke! but then again there are assclowns trying to get fart moe-dell in the hof. streetlight, you really think “tags” had anything to do with the price of the franchises going up? are you serious? he has had as much to do with the success of the nfl under his watch as trent dilfer did on the ravens winning the super bowl . he was like the character in the movie “being there”. he’s joke! but then again there are assclowns trying to get fart moe-dell in the hof.

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]]> By: Osiris33 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33087 Osiris33 Wed, 21 May 2008 16:13:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33087 It does my heart good to think that Tagliabue may spend his later years without a Hall of Fame bust. Maybe there is a Karmic payback for stealing a Super Bowl for your best friend after all. It does my heart good to think that Tagliabue may spend his later years without a Hall of Fame bust. Maybe there is a Karmic payback for stealing a Super Bowl for your best friend after all.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33079 Vox Veritas Wed, 21 May 2008 15:57:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33079 "parody" is the best word to describe how the cap has affected the game, but you can't really blame Tags for that. He worked for the owners, and it's the owners that wanted the salary cap. He just helped implement it. I'm a Cowboy fan of course so I naturally hate Paul Tagliabue the Redskins fan for treating the Cowboys harsher than he treated other teams. Fore example: 1 - Gave Michael Irvin a 5 game suspension when anyone else would have gotten four games, because Irvin was a "high profile" player. He must have been the highest profile guy in the NFL because I can't think of another player that got an odd suspension like that on a first offense. Contrast that with the two games that Jamal Lewis got for pleading guilty in a federal drug conspiracy case. He did four months in a federal prison and two months in a halfway house for conspiring to possess and distribute 11 pounds of cocaine! TWO GAME SUSPENSION. 2 - Then there was his implementation of the "Deion Sanders" rule retroactively a month AFTER the Cowboys signed him to a contract. I remember he demanded that the Cowboys either revise the contract or he would find the Cowboys guilty of cheating the salary cap and would fine them draft picks. He even said he'd personally cut players from the Cowboys' roster to bring them in compliance with the salary cap! This was the first time I noticed Gene Upshaw selling the players down the river so the he and the NFLPA could get a few scraps in return from the league. 3 - Then there was his bitching about Jerry Jones' stadium sponsorship deals after not uttering a peep about the guy who actually pioneered stadium sponsorship deals... Robert Kraft. He even got most of the rest of the owners (including Kraft) to file a $300 million suit against Jones! Of course, cooler and smarter heads prevailed when Jones filed a $750 million restraint-of-trade countersuit that cited tacit approval of similar deals that Kraft had that were in place before Jones negotiated his first deal. The two sides came to a settlement. Jerry Jones would do as he damn well pleased regarding stadium sponsorship deals or he'd effectively own the league by continuing with a lawsuit that all legal scholars agreed that he couldn't lose. Since anybody reasding this probably hasn't had their daily recommended alowance of hypocrisy yet, this is what Kraft had to say about Jones' deals at the time: "We own our stadium and we've thought a lot about the types of things that Jerry is doing. We did an arrangement with Pepsi, but in a way that allowed us to be a good partner. I believe in the concept of partnership -- not as a word, but something we make happen. The power of the group as a whole is greater than the individual partner. I'd like to find a way to give the individual incentive instead of breaking down the whole." What a "good partner" Kraft has turned out to be, eh? Cheating his business partners like he did. Paul Tagliabue in the Hall of Fame? Tommy Maddox deserves a bust in Canton before that fool does. “parody” is the best word to describe how the cap has affected the game, but you can’t really blame Tags for that. He worked for the owners, and it’s the owners that wanted the salary cap. He just helped implement it. I’m a Cowboy fan of course so I naturally hate Paul Tagliabue the Redskins fan for treating the Cowboys harsher than he treated other teams. Fore example:

1 - Gave Michael Irvin a 5 game suspension when anyone else would have gotten four games, because Irvin was a “high profile” player. He must have been the highest profile guy in the NFL because I can’t think of another player that got an odd suspension like that on a first offense. Contrast that with the two games that Jamal Lewis got for pleading guilty in a federal drug conspiracy case. He did four months in a federal prison and two months in a halfway house for conspiring to possess and distribute 11 pounds of cocaine! TWO GAME SUSPENSION.

2 - Then there was his implementation of the “Deion Sanders” rule retroactively a month AFTER the Cowboys signed him to a contract. I remember he demanded that the Cowboys either revise the contract or he would find the Cowboys guilty of cheating the salary cap and would fine them draft picks. He even said he’d personally cut players from the Cowboys’ roster to bring them in compliance with the salary cap! This was the first time I noticed Gene Upshaw selling the players down the river so the he and the NFLPA could get a few scraps in return from the league.

3 - Then there was his bitching about Jerry Jones’ stadium sponsorship deals after not uttering a peep about the guy who actually pioneered stadium sponsorship deals… Robert Kraft. He even got most of the rest of the owners (including Kraft) to file a $300 million suit against Jones! Of course, cooler and smarter heads prevailed when Jones filed a $750 million restraint-of-trade countersuit that cited tacit approval of similar deals that Kraft had that were in place before Jones negotiated his first deal. The two sides came to a settlement. Jerry Jones would do as he damn well pleased regarding stadium sponsorship deals or he’d effectively own the league by continuing with a lawsuit that all legal scholars agreed that he couldn’t lose. Since anybody reasding this probably hasn’t had their daily recommended alowance of hypocrisy yet, this is what Kraft had to say about Jones’ deals at the time:

“We own our stadium and we’ve thought a lot about the types of things that Jerry is doing. We did an arrangement with Pepsi, but in a way that allowed us to be a good partner. I believe in the concept of partnership — not as a word, but something we make happen. The power of the group as a whole is greater than the individual partner. I’d like to find a way to give the individual incentive instead of breaking down the whole.”

What a “good partner” Kraft has turned out to be, eh? Cheating his business partners like he did.

Paul Tagliabue in the Hall of Fame? Tommy Maddox deserves a bust in Canton before that fool does.

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]]> By: brian_21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33076 brian_21 Wed, 21 May 2008 15:52:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33076 It's a ridiculous assertion to question whether Paul Tagliabue will make the Hall of Fame. Yes, he will. Yes, he's going to have to wait. He deserves to make it, too. To top everything off, there was never a work stoppage under him, as mentioned. And before everyone falls in love with this Roger Goodell guy and before claiming he's an upgrade over the one who is somehow now being doubted, look at the inconsistencies in punishments, the double standards that negatively apply to players and not coaches, and how Spygate was handled and how it was obvious that Goodell wanted to wipe the event under the rug as he inexcusably and suspiciously destroyed evidence. But back to Tagliabue. The league flourished under him, but there are lots of guys that are deserving to be in the Hall that need to get in sooner rather than later (like Chris Carter), so Tagliabue's induction is pushed back, and that's okay. But most importantly, he's going to get in. It’s a ridiculous assertion to question whether Paul Tagliabue will make the Hall of Fame. Yes, he will. Yes, he’s going to have to wait. He deserves to make it, too. To top everything off, there was never a work stoppage under him, as mentioned.

And before everyone falls in love with this Roger Goodell guy and before claiming he’s an upgrade over the one who is somehow now being doubted, look at the inconsistencies in punishments, the double standards that negatively apply to players and not coaches, and how Spygate was handled and how it was obvious that Goodell wanted to wipe the event under the rug as he inexcusably and suspiciously destroyed evidence.

But back to Tagliabue. The league flourished under him, but there are lots of guys that are deserving to be in the Hall that need to get in sooner rather than later (like Chris Carter), so Tagliabue’s induction is pushed back, and that’s okay. But most importantly, he’s going to get in.

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]]> By: geaux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33067 geaux Wed, 21 May 2008 15:34:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33067 Tagliabue did save the Saints from leaving New Orleans after Katrina. For that, he is revered in Louisiana, and rightfully so. Tagliabue did save the Saints from leaving New Orleans after Katrina. For that, he is revered in Louisiana, and rightfully so.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33063 empty13 Wed, 21 May 2008 15:27:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33063 tags was a hand puppet for capo gino. tags was a hand puppet for capo gino.

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]]> By: Streetlight http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33055 Streetlight Wed, 21 May 2008 15:17:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33055 Just look at what Tagliabue accomplished on his watch. To underscore this (pun pun) you all might remember when he announced his retirement how fans were thrown into a bird over how would the NFL ever survive ... who would be commish ... and how would he be chosen ... Just look at what Forbes valued NFL teams when he took office vs. when he left. Just look at the enormous salaries, TV revenues, etc. gained in that time. Then what's the beef? Absolutely Tagliabue should be voted HOF 100% ... Just look at what Tagliabue accomplished on his watch. To underscore this (pun pun) you all might remember when he announced his retirement how fans were thrown into a bird over how would the NFL ever survive … who would be commish … and how would he be chosen …

Just look at what Forbes valued NFL teams when he took office vs. when he left. Just look at the enormous salaries, TV revenues, etc. gained in that time. Then what’s the beef?

Absolutely Tagliabue should be voted HOF 100% …

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]]> By: Stoogie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33052 Stoogie Wed, 21 May 2008 15:10:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33052 kellyb9 says: May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am "I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent." Please tell us that you really meant "parity" and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/ kellyb9 says:
May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am

“I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.”

Please tell us that you really meant “parity” and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33044 kellyb9 Wed, 21 May 2008 14:58:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33044 @vincelombardi - Are you insane? The salary cap makes the game so much more interesting - it adds another dimension to the game, and forces teams to make tough decisions. Sure, you can't build an entire franchise off of one draft (see: 70's Steelers), but that just means you have to do a little more work. I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent. @vincelombardi - Are you insane? The salary cap makes the game so much more interesting - it adds another dimension to the game, and forces teams to make tough decisions. Sure, you can’t build an entire franchise off of one draft (see: 70’s Steelers), but that just means you have to do a little more work. I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.

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]]> By: Referee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33042 Referee Wed, 21 May 2008 14:57:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33042 Yo Paully Tags as far as I'm concerned is just another lawyer, a bench warmer at best... He should NEVER be admitted! Yo Paully Tags as far as I’m concerned is just another lawyer, a bench warmer at best… He should NEVER be admitted!

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33041 kellyb9 Wed, 21 May 2008 14:55:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33041 @TheBozforPres - Actually, Boomer was referring to Peyton Manning not being able to win the big one. @TheBozforPres - Actually, Boomer was referring to Peyton Manning not being able to win the big one.

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]]> By: ThreeIfByAir http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33039 ThreeIfByAir Wed, 21 May 2008 14:53:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33039 The "modern day Dan Marino", at least before Super Bowl XLI, was Peyton Manning (with Tom Brady playing the part of Joe Montana -- the relatively unnoticed guy who just kept piling up championships). In the last two years, of course, the stories have shifted somewhat. The “modern day Dan Marino”, at least before Super Bowl XLI, was Peyton Manning (with Tom Brady playing the part of Joe Montana — the relatively unnoticed guy who just kept piling up championships). In the last two years, of course, the stories have shifted somewhat.

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]]> By: CaptainFantastik http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33037 CaptainFantastik Wed, 21 May 2008 14:48:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33037 Oh please. Tags is a lock for the HOF. There's really no two ways about it. Oh please. Tags is a lock for the HOF. There’s really no two ways about it.

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]]> By: vincelombardi http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33033 vincelombardi Wed, 21 May 2008 14:45:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33033 the legacy of this incompetent idiot is....the rams left los angeles and one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland! oh, and letting this whole "salary cap" idea get started which has ruined the ability of franchises to keep teams together like they did in the 70s (steelers, cowboys, dolphins, raiders)and 80s (49ers, giants,) the legacy of this incompetent idiot is….the rams left los angeles and one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland! oh, and letting this whole “salary cap” idea get started which has ruined the ability of franchises to keep teams together like they did in the 70s (steelers, cowboys, dolphins, raiders)and 80s (49ers, giants,)

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]]> By: TheBozforPres http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33023 TheBozforPres Wed, 21 May 2008 14:10:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33023 I love Boomer.. I can still remember the look on Marino's face when Esiason called somebody a "modern day Dan Marino" or something to that effect, when Boomer was referring to somebody never winning the big one. Anybody remember who he was talking about? I love Boomer.. I can still remember the look on Marino’s face when Esiason called somebody a “modern day Dan Marino” or something to that effect, when Boomer was referring to somebody never winning the big one. Anybody remember who he was talking about?

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]]> By: I Love Lamp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33022 I Love Lamp Wed, 21 May 2008 14:08:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/is-tagliabues-hall-bid-doomed/#comment-33022 Baltimore football fans won't be sad for Tagliabue. This is the guy who, in his infinite wisdom, thought Jacksonville would better support an NFL team than Baltimore. He punctuated this slight by famously suggesting that Colts fans should "build a museum" and forget about it. That's the leadership that led to the unfortunate relocation of the Browns. Now the Ravens have been sold out for years, and they're already talking about moving the Jags to LA after covering up tons of seats couldn't end the blackouts in Jacksonville. Tagliabue may have wanted things to be a certain way, but they weren't and he really misread it. HOF? I don't see it. The game sold itself during his tenure. Baltimore football fans won’t be sad for Tagliabue. This is the guy who, in his infinite wisdom, thought Jacksonville would better support an NFL team than Baltimore. He punctuated this slight by famously suggesting that Colts fans should “build a museum” and forget about it. That’s the leadership that led to the unfortunate relocation of the Browns. Now the Ravens have been sold out for years, and they’re already talking about moving the Jags to LA after covering up tons of seats couldn’t end the blackouts in Jacksonville. Tagliabue may have wanted things to be a certain way, but they weren’t and he really misread it. HOF? I don’t see it. The game sold itself during his tenure.

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