An interesting point came up during our appearance earlier this morning with Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton on WFAN, even though it was yours truly who forced it into the discussion.
What does the owners’ unanimous decision to bail on the CBA mean to former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue’s shot at the Hall of Fame?
In our view, Tagliabue’s bid for enshrinement has, at best, been delayed indefinitely. After all, it was Tagliabue who foisted onto the owners a proposal that, less than 27 months later, they have all rejected.
Part of the problem is that the league’s obsession with the financial aspects of the 2006 CBA extension caused the powers-that-be to accept without negotiation the union’s one-sided proposals relating to noneconomic issues like the recoupment of bonus money and the ability to send a problematic player home with pay. Ultimately, it was Tagliabue’s responsibility to notice that the owners were agreeing to all of the noneconomic terms without any counterproposal.
On the surface, some might be inclined to applaud Tagliabue and point a finger at current Commissioner Roger Goodell, if Tuesday’s vote results in three seasons of uncertainty and culminates in a work stoppage. After all, Tagliabue didn’t have a single work stoppage during his entire time on the job.
But the fact that the strife would occur on Goodell’s watch doesn’t mean that it’s his fault. The seeds for this potential beanstalk were planted by the union during Tagliabue’s tenure.
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am
Baltimore football fans won’t be sad for Tagliabue. This is the guy who, in his infinite wisdom, thought Jacksonville would better support an NFL team than Baltimore. He punctuated this slight by famously suggesting that Colts fans should “build a museum” and forget about it. That’s the leadership that led to the unfortunate relocation of the Browns. Now the Ravens have been sold out for years, and they’re already talking about moving the Jags to LA after covering up tons of seats couldn’t end the blackouts in Jacksonville. Tagliabue may have wanted things to be a certain way, but they weren’t and he really misread it. HOF? I don’t see it. The game sold itself during his tenure.
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:10 am
I love Boomer.. I can still remember the look on Marino’s face when Esiason called somebody a “modern day Dan Marino” or something to that effect, when Boomer was referring to somebody never winning the big one. Anybody remember who he was talking about?
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:45 am
the legacy of this incompetent idiot is….the rams left los angeles and one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland! oh, and letting this whole “salary cap” idea get started which has ruined the ability of franchises to keep teams together like they did in the 70s (steelers, cowboys, dolphins, raiders)and 80s (49ers, giants,)
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Oh please. Tags is a lock for the HOF. There’s really no two ways about it.
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
The “modern day Dan Marino”, at least before Super Bowl XLI, was Peyton Manning (with Tom Brady playing the part of Joe Montana — the relatively unnoticed guy who just kept piling up championships). In the last two years, of course, the stories have shifted somewhat.
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am
@TheBozforPres - Actually, Boomer was referring to Peyton Manning not being able to win the big one.
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:57 am
Yo Paully Tags as far as I’m concerned is just another lawyer, a bench warmer at best… He should NEVER be admitted!
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am
@vincelombardi - Are you insane? The salary cap makes the game so much more interesting - it adds another dimension to the game, and forces teams to make tough decisions. Sure, you can’t build an entire franchise off of one draft (see: 70’s Steelers), but that just means you have to do a little more work. I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am
“I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.”
Please tell us that you really meant “parity” and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am
Just look at what Tagliabue accomplished on his watch. To underscore this (pun pun) you all might remember when he announced his retirement how fans were thrown into a bird over how would the NFL ever survive … who would be commish … and how would he be chosen …
Just look at what Forbes valued NFL teams when he took office vs. when he left. Just look at the enormous salaries, TV revenues, etc. gained in that time. Then what’s the beef?
Absolutely Tagliabue should be voted HOF 100% …
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am
tags was a hand puppet for capo gino.
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:34 am
Tagliabue did save the Saints from leaving New Orleans after Katrina. For that, he is revered in Louisiana, and rightfully so.
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:52 am
It’s a ridiculous assertion to question whether Paul Tagliabue will make the Hall of Fame. Yes, he will. Yes, he’s going to have to wait. He deserves to make it, too. To top everything off, there was never a work stoppage under him, as mentioned.
And before everyone falls in love with this Roger Goodell guy and before claiming he’s an upgrade over the one who is somehow now being doubted, look at the inconsistencies in punishments, the double standards that negatively apply to players and not coaches, and how Spygate was handled and how it was obvious that Goodell wanted to wipe the event under the rug as he inexcusably and suspiciously destroyed evidence.
But back to Tagliabue. The league flourished under him, but there are lots of guys that are deserving to be in the Hall that need to get in sooner rather than later (like Chris Carter), so Tagliabue’s induction is pushed back, and that’s okay. But most importantly, he’s going to get in.
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:57 am
“parody” is the best word to describe how the cap has affected the game, but you can’t really blame Tags for that. He worked for the owners, and it’s the owners that wanted the salary cap. He just helped implement it. I’m a Cowboy fan of course so I naturally hate Paul Tagliabue the Redskins fan for treating the Cowboys harsher than he treated other teams. Fore example:
1 - Gave Michael Irvin a 5 game suspension when anyone else would have gotten four games, because Irvin was a “high profile” player. He must have been the highest profile guy in the NFL because I can’t think of another player that got an odd suspension like that on a first offense. Contrast that with the two games that Jamal Lewis got for pleading guilty in a federal drug conspiracy case. He did four months in a federal prison and two months in a halfway house for conspiring to possess and distribute 11 pounds of cocaine! TWO GAME SUSPENSION.
2 - Then there was his implementation of the “Deion Sanders” rule retroactively a month AFTER the Cowboys signed him to a contract. I remember he demanded that the Cowboys either revise the contract or he would find the Cowboys guilty of cheating the salary cap and would fine them draft picks. He even said he’d personally cut players from the Cowboys’ roster to bring them in compliance with the salary cap! This was the first time I noticed Gene Upshaw selling the players down the river so the he and the NFLPA could get a few scraps in return from the league.
3 - Then there was his bitching about Jerry Jones’ stadium sponsorship deals after not uttering a peep about the guy who actually pioneered stadium sponsorship deals… Robert Kraft. He even got most of the rest of the owners (including Kraft) to file a $300 million suit against Jones! Of course, cooler and smarter heads prevailed when Jones filed a $750 million restraint-of-trade countersuit that cited tacit approval of similar deals that Kraft had that were in place before Jones negotiated his first deal. The two sides came to a settlement. Jerry Jones would do as he damn well pleased regarding stadium sponsorship deals or he’d effectively own the league by continuing with a lawsuit that all legal scholars agreed that he couldn’t lose. Since anybody reasding this probably hasn’t had their daily recommended alowance of hypocrisy yet, this is what Kraft had to say about Jones’ deals at the time:
“We own our stadium and we’ve thought a lot about the types of things that Jerry is doing. We did an arrangement with Pepsi, but in a way that allowed us to be a good partner. I believe in the concept of partnership — not as a word, but something we make happen. The power of the group as a whole is greater than the individual partner. I’d like to find a way to give the individual incentive instead of breaking down the whole.”
What a “good partner” Kraft has turned out to be, eh? Cheating his business partners like he did.
Paul Tagliabue in the Hall of Fame? Tommy Maddox deserves a bust in Canton before that fool does.
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May 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
It does my heart good to think that Tagliabue may spend his later years without a Hall of Fame bust. Maybe there is a Karmic payback for stealing a Super Bowl for your best friend after all.
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May 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
streetlight, you really think “tags” had anything to do with the price of the franchises going up? are you serious? he has had as much to do with the success of the nfl under his watch as trent dilfer did on the ravens winning the super bowl . he was like the character in the movie “being there”. he’s joke! but then again there are assclowns trying to get fart moe-dell in the hof.
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May 21st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I love this “one of the most storied franchises in professional sports left cleveland!” Seriously? I guess if never making the playoffs and being from a dump of a city makes for good stories than the Browns are one of the most storied franchises in sports. I guess the biggest sports teams in NFL history are the Browns, Saints, and Cardinals. So sad the Bucs had to jump off that list… things looked so promising back with Steve Spurrier.
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
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May 21st, 2008 at 10:58 am
“I, for one, love the salary cap, it has created a great deal of parody in the game which would otherwise be absent.”
“Please tell us that you really meant “parity” and not parody. If you need help, go here and look the words up http://dictionary.reference.com/ “]
Does this make Stoogie the official PFT Grammer Hammar?
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Vox Veritas,
So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots? Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn’t in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court. Kraft is a smart businessman and the lawsuit vs. Jones was not good business for Kraft and the Patriots.
Also, Jones was sued because he made a deal with Nike when Reebok was the official sponsor of the NFL and Pepsi and American Express didn’t have league deals. Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium. That is why they sued Jones. Kraft had nothing to do with it and really had no reason to get involved.
Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn’t have been sued.
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Does this mean Gene Upshaw is a lock to make the HOF?
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
hey longdarkface, MAYBE if you knew anything about the nfl before 1990 you would know the browns dominated the 50s (7 title games in 10 years) they had the HIGHEST winning percentage of ALL proffesional sports all the way into the 80s, they had more HOFers than any team up into the 80s, i know you think the league started around 1989 but trust me there was a league when you were still in diapers. and if fart moe-dell had never bought the team , they still would be a storied franchise, get the facts before you start showing your ignorance, better to have people assume you are a jackass, than open your mouth and have it confirmed!
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Tagliabue of course deserves to be in the Hall. Prior to when he took over, Baseball was king throughout the land. Even the NBA was more popular in most areas of the country. He implementing the salary cap gave every team a chance to compete and made the sport the most popular team in the land. Yes, he screwed up the last CBA agreement, but it is not something that cannot be fixed. If it isn’t the lionshare of the blame belongs to Goodell, owners, and the NFLPA. Not Tagliabue.
The salary cap system was working.
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May 21st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
More appropriately, where to Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown go to get their “We were right!” buttons after voting against the previous agreement that all owners want out of now???
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May 21st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Where are Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown’s apologies???
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May 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
“So are you going to turn every thread in an attack on Bob Kraft or the Patriots?”
Naah, just the ones where they deserve it.
“Bob Kraft never supported the lawsuit against Jerry Jones. It wasn’t in his best interest since he and Wayne Huezinga both had similiar deals that they would have lost if Jones lost his case in court.”
That’s funny, since Kraft obviously felt that his deal was somehow different from Jones’ deals. The thing is, you can’t lose those deals unless you lose in court, and without a plaintiff suing you, there’s no risk of losing your deals. The only owner that was vocally against the suit was Al Davis, and Davis’ name was omitted from Jones’ countersuit as a result.
“Kraft had a sponsorship deal with Reebok. So the got in hot water with their league sponsor because the most successful team in the league at the time had big Nike swooshes all over the stadium.”
Right. That’s because it was a stadium sponsorship deal, not a team sponsorship deal.
“Before consider your personal vendetta against the Patriots, at least get your facts straight. If Jones cut a deal with Reebok, he wouldn’t have been sued.”
OK, here are some facts. The NFL’s suit against Jones had absolutely no merit. That’s why they ultimately dropped it. He shouldn’t have been sued in the first place! As I said, Al Davis was the only opposition to the suit, and he was the only owner not named in Jones’ countersuit as a result. Every other NFL owner had the chance to speak out about the suit just like Al Davis did when the issue was tabled, and they refused. ThAT IS TACIT APPROVAL of the lawsuit whether you want to admit it or not.
Here’s another fact. Jones is considered a brilliant marketing mind and is viewed as a great partner by the vast majority of owners. Do you think that Kraft enjoys that same rep in light of the Spygate scandal?
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