Comments on: BROWNS LOSE HOLLY http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:13:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: cantgetenough http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33434 cantgetenough Thu, 22 May 2008 12:45:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33434 Can't wait to see how the Browns O-line does against Giants D on Oct 13. Can’t wait to see how the Browns O-line does against Giants D on Oct 13.

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]]> By: bizurk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33380 bizurk Thu, 22 May 2008 04:02:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33380 ...and I know Lito went to the Pro Bowl (2004 and 2006), I'm a huge Lito backer. He covers well, has the playmaking ability to break a 100 yd INT, and supports the run fairly well for a small guy: I want him in the fold. If he stays healthy, which would be a miracle, then he's one of the 5 best CBs in the NFC for sure. …and I know Lito went to the Pro Bowl (2004 and 2006), I’m a huge Lito backer. He covers well, has the playmaking ability to break a 100 yd INT, and supports the run fairly well for a small guy: I want him in the fold. If he stays healthy, which would be a miracle, then he’s one of the 5 best CBs in the NFC for sure.

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]]> By: JaguarsSunday http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33366 JaguarsSunday Thu, 22 May 2008 03:10:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33366 I can't see Lito or Sheldon being ok coming off the bench. Something still could happen. I can’t see Lito or Sheldon being ok coming off the bench. Something still could happen.

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]]> By: bizurk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33342 bizurk Thu, 22 May 2008 02:02:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33342 Gibson, I realize the Lito raise won't happen, precedents and all.... It's more of a fanciful solution that would improve my beloved 'birds. I loved the ascension of the Browns last year, but I do feel that they are poised to be the Niners from last year: the sexy pick to make leaps and bounds that gets tripped up. Again, I love em, but the Browns have some glaring deficiencies and play a rugged schedule..... If they were in the NFC West or South, they'd be a clearcut favorite. My favorite AFC team is also probably going to have to be happy with 10-6 this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC North is unenviable, not a given win in any game, add in 2 against the 'Burgh and count on the Bengals showing up and you have some concerns. Gibson, I realize the Lito raise won’t happen, precedents and all…. It’s more of a fanciful solution that would improve my beloved ‘birds.

I loved the ascension of the Browns last year, but I do feel that they are poised to be the Niners from last year: the sexy pick to make leaps and bounds that gets tripped up. Again, I love em, but the Browns have some glaring deficiencies and play a rugged schedule….. If they were in the NFC West or South, they’d be a clearcut favorite.

My favorite AFC team is also probably going to have to be happy with 10-6 this year. Playing the NFC East and the AFC North is unenviable, not a given win in any game, add in 2 against the ‘Burgh and count on the Bengals showing up and you have some concerns.

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33338 gibsonplyer Thu, 22 May 2008 01:44:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33338 Uh bizurk Lito has been a pro bowler at least once. I actually think someone said he went twice so there's nothing fringe about him. His health though is an issue. He stays healthy this year and plays up to the level he's able to he'll get a new deal with the birds or with another team that will actually offer fair value instead of Jurevicius where if that was the offer I'd volunteer to drive to Cleveland and flip of their GM on behalf of the Eagles FO. Uh bizurk Lito has been a pro bowler at least once. I actually think someone said he went twice so there’s nothing fringe about him. His health though is an issue. He stays healthy this year and plays up to the level he’s able to he’ll get a new deal with the birds or with another team that will actually offer fair value instead of Jurevicius where if that was the offer I’d volunteer to drive to Cleveland and flip of their GM on behalf of the Eagles FO.

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]]> By: ButchD http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33318 ButchD Thu, 22 May 2008 00:47:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33318 McDonald was going to beat out Holley anyway McDonald was going to beat out Holley anyway

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]]> By: BlitzDorsey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33308 BlitzDorsey Thu, 22 May 2008 00:19:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33308 The Browns overpaid for Shaun Rogers and then some. The Bengals were only going to give a fourth-round pick and that's it, and the Lions took the deal at first. Then the Browns come in and offer a third-round pick PLUS a starting cornerback in Bodden. For once, the Lions might have backed their way into a good decision (at the expense of the Browns). You guys better hope Rogers says far away from Golden Corral, Old Country Buffet, Cleveland Chinese Buffet, etc. or you are really going to regret trading two good players for a fat boy (a third round pick and Bodden). The Browns overpaid for Shaun Rogers and then some. The Bengals were only going to give a fourth-round pick and that’s it, and the Lions took the deal at first. Then the Browns come in and offer a third-round pick PLUS a starting cornerback in Bodden. For once, the Lions might have backed their way into a good decision (at the expense of the Browns). You guys better hope Rogers says far away from Golden Corral, Old Country Buffet, Cleveland Chinese Buffet, etc. or you are really going to regret trading two good players for a fat boy (a third round pick and Bodden).

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33295 gibsonplyer Wed, 21 May 2008 23:43:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33295 No one is comparing Lito to Braylon. Look at their roster and tell me who else the Eagles would be interested in. Unless they have a really good young safety they want to part with the only other real position of need in Philly is WR. They don't want Stallworth or would have signed him during free agency so that leaves Braylon. Its simply a matter of Eagles fans saying either offer up Braylon or don't bother calling. It wouldn't be a player for player trade the Eagles would be willing to give up a draft pick in addition to Lito but since the Browns won't be willing to trade Braylon they're not going to get Lito. No one is comparing Lito to Braylon. Look at their roster and tell me who else the Eagles would be interested in. Unless they have a really good young safety they want to part with the only other real position of need in Philly is WR. They don’t want Stallworth or would have signed him during free agency so that leaves Braylon.

Its simply a matter of Eagles fans saying either offer up Braylon or don’t bother calling. It wouldn’t be a player for player trade the Eagles would be willing to give up a draft pick in addition to Lito but since the Browns won’t be willing to trade Braylon they’re not going to get Lito.

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]]> By: bondem777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33286 bondem777 Wed, 21 May 2008 23:05:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33286 Yeah, Savage is such a genius that you had no draft picks in the first three rounds this year and you're counting too heavily on a few players that you spent big bucks on, some with some years on them. You traded Bodden, further weakening your seconday. You put all your hope in a few players, so you better hope they don't get injured. And your QB is way overrated. 6-10 this year. Yeah, Savage is such a genius that you had no draft picks in the first three rounds this year and you’re counting too heavily on a few players that you spent big bucks on, some with some years on them. You traded Bodden, further weakening your seconday. You put all your hope in a few players, so you better hope they don’t get injured. And your QB is way overrated. 6-10 this year.

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]]> By: claude2280 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33280 claude2280 Wed, 21 May 2008 22:53:36 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33280 are you all mad??? how can you even compare B.Edwards with Lito Sheppard? give me a break are you all mad??? how can you even compare B.Edwards with Lito Sheppard? give me a break

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]]> By: BBenSuperman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33277 BBenSuperman Wed, 21 May 2008 22:49:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33277 Tony Homo and Big Ben will have their MVP campaigns off to a nice start after playing the Browns the 1st two weeks...by the way, did I mention the Browns moan? Tony Homo and Big Ben will have their MVP campaigns off to a nice start after playing the Browns the 1st two weeks…by the way, did I mention the Browns moan?

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33269 gibsonplyer Wed, 21 May 2008 22:21:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33269 Several things A) For whoever suggested Stallworth. No, no, a thousand times no. If the Eagles wanted him they would have signed him as a free agent and not to the outrageous contract he signed with the Browns. He was out performed by Reggie Brown in his only year with the Birds. He is seriously over rated. B) As for Eagles fans 'over rating' Lito. Its not a matter of over rating him its a matter of they have nothing otherwise that the Eagles would think about trading Lito for. There is no need to trade him for draft picks. Draft picks don't help the Eagles now especially when they have 2 firsts next year so its either a WR or nothing. There is 0 reason to trade Lito at this point. Also stop the give him a raise bit. He hasn't stayed healthy and just signed a new deal a few years ago. He needs to prove himself again because he was injured and didn't have a good year last year so I wouldn't give him a dime extra unless it was involved in incentives. Several things

A) For whoever suggested Stallworth. No, no, a thousand times no. If the Eagles wanted him they would have signed him as a free agent and not to the outrageous contract he signed with the Browns. He was out performed by Reggie Brown in his only year with the Birds. He is seriously over rated.

B) As for Eagles fans ‘over rating’ Lito. Its not a matter of over rating him its a matter of they have nothing otherwise that the Eagles would think about trading Lito for. There is no need to trade him for draft picks. Draft picks don’t help the Eagles now especially when they have 2 firsts next year so its either a WR or nothing.

There is 0 reason to trade Lito at this point. Also stop the give him a raise bit. He hasn’t stayed healthy and just signed a new deal a few years ago. He needs to prove himself again because he was injured and didn’t have a good year last year so I wouldn’t give him a dime extra unless it was involved in incentives.

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]]> By: bizurk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33265 bizurk Wed, 21 May 2008 22:09:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33265 VikeRube, I don't think any of us 'overrate' Lito. He's a good player when he's not injured (which is never)..... maybe even a fringe pro-bowler when uninjured (again, never). And most of the comments of Lito for Braylon I'm pretty sure are tongue in cheek. From the sound of it, a Jurevicius for Lito offer is more than most of the league would offer. I must argue you also on the WR vs CB thing..... I think a shutdown corner is more valuable than a lights-out receiver. Even the best WRs go to sleep a few games every year, but a good CB is an insurance policy to do all sorts of crazy things on D. My perception is that any team in the league would trade their best receiver for Champ Bailey, maybe I'm wrong..... The deepest WR corps last year (to my mind) were the Pats, the Lions, the Cards and the Bengals. The Bengals even had the benefit of a great QB, and 3 of those four teams found little success. Yes, Roy Williams and Fitzy are probably worth much more than Lito to most teams..... but are they worth more than Bailey or Samuel? Imho, no. VikeRube, I don’t think any of us ‘overrate’ Lito. He’s a good player when he’s not injured (which is never)….. maybe even a fringe pro-bowler when uninjured (again, never). And most of the comments of Lito for Braylon I’m pretty sure are tongue in cheek. From the sound of it, a Jurevicius for Lito offer is more than most of the league would offer.

I must argue you also on the WR vs CB thing….. I think a shutdown corner is more valuable than a lights-out receiver. Even the best WRs go to sleep a few games every year, but a good CB is an insurance policy to do all sorts of crazy things on D. My perception is that any team in the league would trade their best receiver for Champ Bailey, maybe I’m wrong….. The deepest WR corps last year (to my mind) were the Pats, the Lions, the Cards and the Bengals. The Bengals even had the benefit of a great QB, and 3 of those four teams found little success.

Yes, Roy Williams and Fitzy are probably worth much more than Lito to most teams….. but are they worth more than Bailey or Samuel? Imho, no.

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]]> By: ajd314 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33259 ajd314 Wed, 21 May 2008 21:43:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33259 All us Browns fans are just sitting back. No real need to worry this early in camp. Savage will come up with something whether it's a vetern or a young free agent. We have no reason to try to convince anyone on this board that the browns are the real deal this year. We will just have to wait till they actually hit the field and show what they have. And for the above statement about the Steelers beating the Browns the past nine times, that is true but just so you know they finally passed the browns in overall wins 56-55. Consider this a clean slate since it will actually be a legit game this year with equal teams. All us Browns fans are just sitting back. No real need to worry this early in camp. Savage will come up with something whether it’s a vetern or a young free agent. We have no reason to try to convince anyone on this board that the browns are the real deal this year. We will just have to wait till they actually hit the field and show what they have. And for the above statement about the Steelers beating the Browns the past nine times, that is true but just so you know they finally passed the browns in overall wins 56-55. Consider this a clean slate since it will actually be a legit game this year with equal teams.

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]]> By: Bradybunch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33256 Bradybunch Wed, 21 May 2008 21:34:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33256 Ty Law to Cleveland. "Book it." Ty Law to Cleveland. “Book it.”

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]]> By: bondem777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33254 bondem777 Wed, 21 May 2008 21:17:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33254 All I know is, their first game is against the Cowboys, and the Cowboys are gonna throw on them all day. All I know is, their first game is against the Cowboys, and the Cowboys are gonna throw on them all day.

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]]> By: ppdoc http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33247 ppdoc Wed, 21 May 2008 20:53:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33247 Bah, hah, hah. Where are all the Clowns fans now? I know, Phil, why don't you give next years 1 and a 4 for lito. Since everyone in Cleveland expects you to win the superbowl, that 1st round pick will be really..... really.... low. This is why a A+ offseason is meaningless until everyone suits up and plays. You can't predict injuries. Injuries turned my Ravens from 13 - 3 to 5 - 11 with essentially the same team. And you all thought our defensive backfield sucked last year. Can't wait to see Joe Flacco light up your DB's. Bah, hah, hah. Where are all the Clowns fans now? I know, Phil, why don’t you give next years 1 and a 4 for lito. Since everyone in Cleveland expects you to win the superbowl, that 1st round pick will be really….. really…. low. This is why a A+ offseason is meaningless until everyone suits up and plays. You can’t predict injuries. Injuries turned my Ravens from 13 - 3 to 5 - 11 with essentially the same team. And you all thought our defensive backfield sucked last year. Can’t wait to see Joe Flacco light up your DB’s.

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]]> By: VikeRube http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33243 VikeRube Wed, 21 May 2008 20:43:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33243 Eagles fans, I think you all have Lito way too overrated. To even consider Braylon for Lito is ridiculous. A top tier WR is much more valuable then a CB, especially a WR who causes no headaches. Just like how Roy Williams and Fitzgerald are much more valuable then Lito to a team. If Lito is such a great CB, then why hasn't anyone stepped up? Usually when good players are put on the trading block, someone makes an effort to get them. I always check these message boards when there is any rumor of a team looking to trade because every Eagle fan comes out with their Lito Sheppard trades. Eagles fans, I think you all have Lito way too overrated. To even consider Braylon for Lito is ridiculous. A top tier WR is much more valuable then a CB, especially a WR who causes no headaches. Just like how Roy Williams and Fitzgerald are much more valuable then Lito to a team. If Lito is such a great CB, then why hasn’t anyone stepped up? Usually when good players are put on the trading block, someone makes an effort to get them. I always check these message boards when there is any rumor of a team looking to trade because every Eagle fan comes out with their Lito Sheppard trades.

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]]> By: bizurk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33239 bizurk Wed, 21 May 2008 20:36:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33239 "Lito’s awesome when he’s between knee, elbow, hip, ankle, hand, quad, thumb, back & toe injuries." brilliant..... just brilliant...... can I revise my raise request to involve injury clauses? “Lito’s awesome when he’s between knee, elbow, hip, ankle, hand, quad, thumb, back & toe injuries.”

brilliant….. just brilliant…… can I revise my raise request to involve injury clauses?

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]]> By: bizurk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33235 bizurk Wed, 21 May 2008 20:30:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33235 Hey maddenchamp, we agree here.... not shot on a Lito deal. I can't think of anyone worth the trade apart from Braylon (who isn't going anywhere). I've said it before, and I'll say it again..... give Lito a raise and have the deepest, strongest nickel package in the game. Hey maddenchamp, we agree here…. not shot on a Lito deal.

I can’t think of anyone worth the trade apart from Braylon (who isn’t going anywhere). I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again….. give Lito a raise and have the deepest, strongest nickel package in the game.

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]]> By: TheAzzMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33233 TheAzzMan Wed, 21 May 2008 20:30:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33233 And the Browns are supposed to overtake the Steelers and win the division with that Defense and an incompetent Quarterback. Right.. Okay... I don't care if you bring up the schedule factor either. Other than two games, Pittsburgh has the exact same schedule as the Browns. And the big difference is that the Browns have to face the Steelers twice a year and have lost 9 straight to the Steelers. Hell, they have only beaten Pittsburgh 3 times since coming back in 1999. The Browns hype is typical BS. And the Browns are supposed to overtake the Steelers and win the division with that Defense and an incompetent Quarterback. Right.. Okay… I don’t care if you bring up the schedule factor either. Other than two games, Pittsburgh has the exact same schedule as the Browns. And the big difference is that the Browns have to face the Steelers twice a year and have lost 9 straight to the Steelers. Hell, they have only beaten Pittsburgh 3 times since coming back in 1999. The Browns hype is typical BS.

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]]> By: brh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33232 brh Wed, 21 May 2008 20:27:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33232 Umm...are you seriously implying that the loss of Daven F'ing Holly is going to make the Browns suddenly give up the farm for Sheppard? Really? The fact that a guy like Holly was penciled in as their starting CB means the Browns were already dangerously thin at the position. His loss means absolutely nothing. Umm…are you seriously implying that the loss of Daven F’ing Holly is going to make the Browns suddenly give up the farm for Sheppard? Really? The fact that a guy like Holly was penciled in as their starting CB means the Browns were already dangerously thin at the position. His loss means absolutely nothing.

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]]> By: CBDAWG http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33228 CBDAWG Wed, 21 May 2008 20:18:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33228 Right...cause the Browns lost a guy with nickleback skills who was going to be a starter their season is doomed. What's that you say? Cornerback is a problem for the Browns...gee what other wisdom that everyone already knows can you enlighten us with. Lets face it Holly was barely a starter as it was and the drop off between him and who ever the Browns get to replace him won't be that great. As for those of you making the Snyder-esk jokes about the Browns just remember that after this season we'll part ways with one of our QBs which should more than replace what draft picks we may part with. Right…cause the Browns lost a guy with nickleback skills who was going to be a starter their season is doomed. What’s that you say? Cornerback is a problem for the Browns…gee what other wisdom that everyone already knows can you enlighten us with. Lets face it Holly was barely a starter as it was and the drop off between him and who ever the Browns get to replace him won’t be that great. As for those of you making the Snyder-esk jokes about the Browns just remember that after this season we’ll part ways with one of our QBs which should more than replace what draft picks we may part with.

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]]> By: aggiesailor http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33225 aggiesailor Wed, 21 May 2008 20:16:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33225 I think I just heard Brady Quinn say, "Anderson for Sheppard!" I think I just heard Brady Quinn say, “Anderson for Sheppard!”

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]]> By: GradyJacksonsBelly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33224 GradyJacksonsBelly Wed, 21 May 2008 20:15:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33224 Bodden was making noise about a new deal, the Browns saw that he was quickly becoming an "overrated" CB, and wanted to be paid like a top CB. As the Giants showed last year, a pass rush is much more important than "shutdown" CB's. The Browns saw this and decided to act. Bodden was making noise about a new deal, the Browns saw that he was quickly becoming an “overrated” CB, and wanted to be paid like a top CB. As the Giants showed last year, a pass rush is much more important than “shutdown” CB’s. The Browns saw this and decided to act.

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]]> By: NoWearMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33221 NoWearMan Wed, 21 May 2008 20:14:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33221 Yeah...i am sure the browns are gonna suck this year because they won 10 games last year with great defense (corners) and a crappy offense. Yeah…i am sure the browns are gonna suck this year because they won 10 games last year with great defense (corners) and a crappy offense.

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]]> By: Thunderlipps http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33220 Thunderlipps Wed, 21 May 2008 20:13:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33220 seriously folks, who are we talking about? Daven Holly? Did any of you outside the 44115 area code know who he was until Florio just implied chaos at the cornerback position in Cleveland? The facts are that Daven was/is a solid role player that was/is up for competition as one of the starting CB's. He is 1 of 9 CB's currently on the Browns roster competing for that spot opposite E. Wright. In hindsight, the trade (Bodden and a pick for Rodgers) is still a no brainer! Bodden was above average when healthy. WHEN healthy, which was very rare the last couple years. seriously folks, who are we talking about? Daven Holly? Did any of you outside the 44115 area code know who he was until Florio just implied chaos at the cornerback position in Cleveland?
The facts are that Daven was/is a solid role player that was/is up for competition as one of the starting CB’s. He is 1 of 9 CB’s currently on the Browns roster competing for that spot opposite E. Wright.

In hindsight, the trade (Bodden and a pick for Rodgers) is still a no brainer! Bodden was above average when healthy. WHEN healthy, which was very rare the last couple years.

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]]> By: BlitzDorsey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33212 BlitzDorsey Wed, 21 May 2008 20:04:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33212 I can't wait to bet the under on Cleveland Browns total wins for the 2008 season. I'm guessing it will be something like 9.5. Gonna make some nice coin on that one. I can’t wait to bet the under on Cleveland Browns total wins for the 2008 season. I’m guessing it will be something like 9.5. Gonna make some nice coin on that one.

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]]> By: yahmpy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33208 yahmpy Wed, 21 May 2008 19:59:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33208 It doesn't really matter how bad the knee injury is. The moment they cut Holly open he'll end up with a staph infection and be done for the year. It doesn’t really matter how bad the knee injury is.

The moment they cut Holly open he’ll end up with a staph infection and be done for the year.

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]]> By: Wink and the Gun http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33202 Wink and the Gun Wed, 21 May 2008 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33202 the good news is that, if it's not a season ender, there is still plenty of time for him to recover before the season starts. the good news is that, if it’s not a season ender, there is still plenty of time for him to recover before the season starts.

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]]> By: RedbullnRaiders http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33198 RedbullnRaiders Wed, 21 May 2008 19:45:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33198 Lito would be a nice addition to the Browns franchise. I hope that works out for them. Lito would be a nice addition to the Browns franchise. I hope that works out for them.

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]]> By: JohnnyH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33196 JohnnyH Wed, 21 May 2008 19:43:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33196 Lito's awesome when he's between knee, elbow, hip, ankle, hand, quad, thumb, back & toe injuries. I wonder what The Eagles can get from The Browns for him? Lito’s awesome when he’s between knee, elbow, hip, ankle, hand, quad, thumb, back & toe injuries. I wonder what The Eagles can get from The Browns for him?

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]]> By: NoWearMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33193 NoWearMan Wed, 21 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33193 "The good news is that they still have Leigh Bodden. (Oops.)" It's football, florio. Injuries happen. It doesnt change the fact that bodden is/was/will continue to be a stiff. they'll fare just as well with the kids they have as they would have with leigh "i have a girly name" bodden. “The good news is that they still have Leigh Bodden. (Oops.)”

It’s football, florio. Injuries happen. It doesnt change the fact that bodden is/was/will continue to be a stiff. they’ll fare just as well with the kids they have as they would have with leigh “i have a girly name” bodden.

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]]> By: DanSnyder http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33189 DanSnyder Wed, 21 May 2008 19:33:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33189 Waiting to here eagles fan asking for for a 1st and a 4th rounder next year. Waiting to here eagles fan asking for for a 1st and a 4th rounder next year.

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33186 NonYahooHotmailAcct Wed, 21 May 2008 19:31:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33186 Sheppard > Bodden > Holly Sheppard > Bodden > Holly

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]]> By: BlitzDorsey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33181 BlitzDorsey Wed, 21 May 2008 19:28:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33181 Sorry about your luck Brownies!!! That Shaun Rogers trade is looking worse and worse. And then Savage made the boneheaded move of not taking a cornerback in the draft. Course, the Browns only had like four picks total, all on the second day. Very dumb for them to trade up for that linebacker when they needed all the picks they could get. And even dumber not taking a corner. Seriously, who are the Browns top three cornerbacks going to be? Eric Wright and who else? Sorry about your luck Brownies!!! That Shaun Rogers trade is looking worse and worse. And then Savage made the boneheaded move of not taking a cornerback in the draft. Course, the Browns only had like four picks total, all on the second day. Very dumb for them to trade up for that linebacker when they needed all the picks they could get. And even dumber not taking a corner. Seriously, who are the Browns top three cornerbacks going to be? Eric Wright and who else?

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]]> By: Lawdog http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33178 Lawdog Wed, 21 May 2008 19:24:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33178 Could the Browns trade Donte back to the Eagles? What kind of contract does Donte have with them? Seems like a win win with some kind of additional but nominal compensation to the Browns... Could the Browns trade Donte back to the Eagles? What kind of contract does Donte have with them? Seems like a win win with some kind of additional but nominal compensation to the Browns…

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]]> By: king of horseheads http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33177 king of horseheads Wed, 21 May 2008 19:23:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33177 Maybe they will trade for Lito Sheppard. They still have most of next years draft picks to waste... er, I mean lose. Maybe they will trade for Lito Sheppard. They still have most of next years draft picks to waste… er, I mean lose.

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]]> By: tgoods http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33173 tgoods Wed, 21 May 2008 19:19:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33173 Somewhere in Cincinnati Ohio, Carson Palmer's eyes just lit up! Somewhere in Cincinnati Ohio, Carson Palmer’s eyes just lit up!

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]]> By: gibsonplyer http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33172 gibsonplyer Wed, 21 May 2008 19:18:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33172 Unless they're offering Braylon Edwards Lito isn't going anywhere period. Stop it already. This is as bad as last season when every time you talked about the Eagles you talked about McNabb getting traded. Oops he's still on the team. Why don't you post a big story about how you were dead wrong about that. Unless they’re offering Braylon Edwards Lito isn’t going anywhere period. Stop it already. This is as bad as last season when every time you talked about the Eagles you talked about McNabb getting traded. Oops he’s still on the team. Why don’t you post a big story about how you were dead wrong about that.

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]]> By: JayPhilly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33166 JayPhilly Wed, 21 May 2008 19:12:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33166 For who? For what? They don't have a WR...though if we had three first round picks we could make a move...or we could draft THREE linemen!! For who? For what?

They don’t have a WR…though if we had three first round picks we could make a move…or we could draft THREE linemen!!

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]]> By: Ze http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33164 Ze Wed, 21 May 2008 19:09:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33164 You're right Florio. The Browns should be keeping as many defensive backs as possible. No need to have a decent defensive line or anything. You’re right Florio. The Browns should be keeping as many defensive backs as possible. No need to have a decent defensive line or anything.

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]]> By: Kevin from Philly http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33159 Kevin from Philly Wed, 21 May 2008 19:02:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33159 Bray-lon! Bray-lon! Braylon! Bray-lon! Bray-lon! Braylon! Bray-lon! Bray-lon! Braylon! Bray-lon! Bray-lon! Braylon!

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]]> By: B-dawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33153 B-dawk Wed, 21 May 2008 18:53:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33153 Sheppard for Edwards..PSYCH.. Sheppard for Edwards..PSYCH..

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]]> By: db3300 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33150 db3300 Wed, 21 May 2008 18:50:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33150 There goes my 4 win prediction out the window. There goes my 4 win prediction out the window.

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]]> By: maddenchamp610 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33149 maddenchamp610 Wed, 21 May 2008 18:47:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33149 Unless it's Braylon Edwards then don't do it. no way in hell the Browns are dealing him, i dont think Lito's going anywhere this year. Unless it’s Braylon Edwards then don’t do it. no way in hell the Browns are dealing him, i dont think Lito’s going anywhere this year.

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]]> By: corydangerous http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33148 corydangerous Wed, 21 May 2008 18:43:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33148 Yes, but what would the Browns give the Eagles for Lito? Yes, but what would the Browns give the Eagles for Lito?

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]]> By: Fail Cat http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33146 Fail Cat Wed, 21 May 2008 18:43:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33146 Prediction: Browns trade all available draft picks for Sheppard. Prediction: Browns trade all available draft picks for Sheppard.

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]]> By: Pro Football Rumor Mill http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33144 Pro Football Rumor Mill Wed, 21 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/21/browns-lose-holly/#comment-33144 Sounds as if he's done for the year. Ouch. Sounds as if he’s done for the year. Ouch.

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