In the course of a busy day at the owners meetings in Atlanta, Roger Goodell raised the possibility of adding a 17th regular season game to the schedule.
Home field in the extra game would alternate between conferences and would come at the expense of a preseason game. Goodell spoke of the lack of quality of the preseason contests and said “it would create new revenue. Our thought process was we might reduce preseason by a game in return for that. Actually, the players would still play the same number of games. It could give us an opportunity to play a higher quality of football.”
Sure 20 games is 20 games but when one of them comes with a fat TV deal, it’s not quite the same thing. Gene Upshaw wasn’t quite so bullish about the idea.
“Any discussion we’ve had with them about playing another game, they’ve always said, they would like to do it, but they don’t want to pay for it. They say, ‘Why should you be concerned, you get 60 percent?’ But we also get paid on games played. We’re not going to agree to play an extra game and not get paid for it. That’s what they want us to do. That discussion is going to be very short.”
When this issue came up last year, it was tied into the league’s desire to play more games outside the U.S. without taking the product away from home fans. There’s no such talk from Goodell this year and the timing of his announcement is curious. On the same day you opt out of the CBA because you don’t like the amount of revenues going toward the players, you float an idea that would, almost certainly, cause them to ask for more money in return.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Bad idea. As much as I would love more football, it’s just one of those things that are so major it can really screw up a lot of teams.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Now you see why the owners opted out the current CBA. The players get 59 cents on dollar of all revenues (which would include any addtl regular season games) and Upshaw says that owners should pay the players a bonus??? I expect the owners to go into negotiations with the idea of re-working the CBA from the ground-up and take back control of the league.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
i hope this doesnt get to the point where every team is playing a game outside of the United States if they ever do approve a 17th game. Im pretty sure this is still the NATIONAL footbal league, not the international football league. To me the argument of growing the sport outside of America is stupid. Whatever interest you garner overseas or elsewhere will pale in comparison to the interest other countries already have in their sports of choice.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
My hope is that the NFL will forego the idea of expanding to a 17th game. The uneven schedule, coupled with adding on to the wear-and-tear that a 16-game schedule already provides, would seem to have many potential pitfalls.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
“But we also get paid on games played. We’re not going to agree to play an extra game and not get paid for it.”
There’s something wrong with that statement.
First:
The players’ salaries come from the TV revenue. The TV money is based on the ENTIRE season, including playoffs, even for players who don’t make the playoffs. That’s why there’s extra money paid to players who play in the playoffs.
Second:
Players get their base salaries DISTRIBUTED on game day. So, if you’re making 8 million in base salary, your game checks are each $500,000. So, if there were to be an extra game, the checks would simply change to about $470,000 per game. A total of eight million is still being paid.
The players who are likely to get cut midseason legimately could have an issue with this, but those are the bottom rung players. History has shown that the union doesn’t really care much about those players anyway.
Third:
If the networks are getting an extra game, they will be able to bid more for the season tv package. (I’m assuming the extra game would start when the packages are up for renewal). This directly translates into more money for the players, without even changing the 59% value.
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So, in other words, Upshaw wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
FIRE GOODELL
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Goodell is just bad for the game. He has to go
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
It’s a good thing the Patriots are STILL trying to trademark 19-0.
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May 20th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
The owners are just throwing out bargaining chips to smoke screen what they really want: more of the pie for themselves.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
not to mention… expansion here.
Detroit has wanted a pro football team for so long.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I hate to say leave well enough alone, but…there’s just something about the fact that every game is critical in the NFL, you start to add to this especially if the games are outside the conference late in the year it just seems it will be cheapened a bit, but that almighty dollar speaks very loudly.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Purely a conversation based on $$$$.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
This isn’t the USFL or the CFL.
Unless the NFL wants to eliminate bye-weeks, forget it.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Why not make 2 preseason games and then make the season 20 games long. I can’t get enough football.
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
What’s the point in pushing this when there may be no games in 2011?
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Seems to me they are playing the same amount of games. If the players ask for more money, isn’t it admitting they are not working as hard as they could in the preseason. Fans are already paying for 20 games. So the extra money would have to come from the NFL Network. Then they could have a game of the week, making it worth the extra $$ from the cable companys. The NFL network would then get much better advertising $$ to give back to the NFL(league) in exchange for the weekly game. Sounds good, but it will screw up all the records.
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May 20th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
But as Florio has mentioned before, this would be a brilliant way to suck money out of non-NFL cities. Not only could you have a regular international schedule, but games could be played in Birmingham, Memphis, Orlando, San Antonio, etc. You could even create interleague rivalry series that would be scheduled in tweener towns and sell half the seats to each side like a neutral site college game, like the Bucs vs. the Fins in Orlando or Cowboys vs Texans in San Antonio.
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May 20th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
This is a great idea.
1) More MEANINGFUL Football.
2) Only 3 pre-season games, rather than 4 or 5.
3) Only used to be a 14 game schedule, a lot of people probably FREAKED at the notion of 16 games, much like most of you people are. 17 games is just fine.
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May 20th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Don’t forget Eagles - Steelers in State College.
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May 20th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
If they don’t like the odd number of games, how about 2 preseason games and an 18 gaame season, if the players need more time to get game ready, start training camp earlier, and add scrimage games to traning camp. hel the money the players make I think the season should last all year. maybe a month off after the super bowl.
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May 20th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
renaissancemanrt,
More MEANINGFUL football eh? Like weeks 15-17 last year? More teams playing 2 and 3 stringers because they’ve already secured a playoff spot.
Sounds like they just moved one ‘exibition’ game to the end of the season to me.
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May 20th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
They can’t do this until they eliminate one or two preseason games. Preseason is a trap to get our players hurt.
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May 21st, 2008 at 12:57 am
Sounds like a good idea to me, and why are people against teams playing outside of the US? especially when buffallo can go to toronto and sell out the game at over 200 a ticket? why are people against spreading the leauge around the world, ok, maybe the odd season ticket holder but i think theres nothing wrong with more popularity worldwide. its still on tv and you can still bet on it, so what are you missing out on?
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May 21st, 2008 at 6:59 am
When will a franchise open up in Tirana, Albania?
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May 21st, 2008 at 8:57 am
A few of you are complaining about the uneven sched. Which I agree would have to be worked out. However, my plan would be for the extra game:
1) Seed the entire AFC and the entire NFC as you would during the draft.
2) Match-up the seeds, i.e. AFC#1 vs NFC#1.
For instance, we would have Cowboys vs Patriots this year. And Packers vs Colts. and so on and so forth.
Don’t worry if these teams are already matched up under the current rules. This could only make for better football.
3) As for home-field. Hmmmm. Thats tough, because so much money is made during home games. The only way that I could see as fair with all NFL teams having the same amount of home games is to alternate years. For instance. 2008, All AFC Teams are home for the ‘bonus’ game. In 2009, all NFC Teams are home for the ‘bonus game’.
As for the person who suggested rivalry games, i.e. Pittsburgh vs Philly and Dallas vs Houston, New York vs New York, San Fran vs Oakland, Mia vs Tampa, St Louis vs KC. That seems all well and good except for the fact that many divisional opponents are located close to eachother and therefore already play twice a year. Really, do we want to see a 3rd Browns vs Bengals, no defence, 100 point game from joke teams, every year?
And also, what about teams that have no close team to them. For instance who would Seattle, or Denver, or Buffalo/Toronto play?
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