Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis doesn’t want to talk about what he knows about the New England Patriots’ practice of taping its opponents’ signals while Weis was the Patriots’ offensive coordinator.
But one person who seems to think Weis should talk is Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young, who’s now an ESPN analyst. Young appeared on Dan Patrick’s radio show today, and he said he’s re-assessing his thoughts about Weis.
“I remember thinking to myself during some of the runs, ‘Charlie Weis is a genius,’” Young said. “I mean, I remember saying that to people: ‘This guy is uncanny, how he’s able to make these adjustments and just come out and dominate in the second half.’ What it’s left me to do is, well, I don’t know. Did it matter? I could see how it could matter if you put it all together. So it’s a tough one. I think that people earn it on the field, and I think you’ve got to move on and move forward and just recognize that it’s not a good thing at the time.”
When Patrick asked Young how big an advantage it would be to know what play the defense was about to run, Young answered, “The game would be over. If I knew what was coming, that’s the whole game.”
Young acknowledged that NFL teams always try to get an edge over their opponents, but he seemed to think the systematic way the Patriots collected tapes of opponents crossed a line.
“There’s gamesmanship all the time. In a game, you take whatever advantage you can get,” Young said.
Because of the kid-gloves treatment that Notre Dame’s program gets as the only school with its own TV network, Weis probably won’t have to answer a barrage of questions about Spygate. But the questions are out there.
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May 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Will the nfl quit puzzy footing around and just kick bellycheat out of the league and make a strong statement that cheating and then basically lying about the cheating won’t be tolerated. Show some nuts nfl. Otherwise you look like a bunch of woozes that just want to scam money off the public with a game that rewards cheaters and lyers. Its called bring some integrity back to the game. YOur loosing it now nfl by allowing bellycheat to be in it.
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May 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Maybe Weis ate the walkthrough tape.
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May 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Smokedog, for some, it’s not a question of being a Pats hater; however, it IS a question of having disdain for cheaters.
If the Patriots were not successful, you wouldn’t be touting comments like “Brady to Moss… Touchdown” because he would not have played for the Patriots nor would many of the other veterans have for less money in quest of the Ring.
To take it one step further, would the Patriots have been successful if not for gaining a competitive advantage by cheating? Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever truly know the answer to that.
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I think I’m just as tired of this as everyone else. Put me under the category of, “they cheated, got caught and it should be forever associated with their legacy - whether it aided them or not.” I do like the comment by the person who said that Brady’s had garbage receiver’s his entire career. He only threw roughly half of his 50 TD’s last year to Randy Frickin’ Moss!
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Things I’ve learned from Spygate
1. The concussions Steve Young suffered while playing football have severely affected his intelligence.
2. There was good reason for Belichick treating the media like the scum that they are for all these years. These past nine months have proven him right.
3. Despite the numerous former and current players and coaches going on record that taping signals has no real advantage except saving man hours for team scouting staffs, the idiots and haters focus on the three people in the country who claim its a game changing advantage; Steve Young the brain damaged Mormon, the proven liar and thief Matt Walsh, and Mark Shlereth whose stupidity rivals that of most people posting comments on this website.
4. Despite saying they wish this story would go away, Mike Florio and all the other mediots continue to use Spygate as a crutch to hide their inability to write compelling stories on anything else.
5. Fans claiming that taping signals made the Pats what they are today are either trolling or completely ignorant about the game of football. I’m guessing these fans are also using message boards as an outlet for the feelings of hopelessness they have knowing that barring miraculous events like the Giants experienced on the last drive of the SuperBowl, their team has no chance of beating the Patriots next season.
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
There isn’t a better place that could have had a hire blow up in their face. Keep up the good work ND!
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
It’s a curious phenomenon that Patriots fans seem to think that nobody is supposed to talk about this and pertend it doesn’t exist. It’s obvious Pats fans want to move on and forget it ever happened, but that’s not realistic. People will never forget just like they’ll never forget about certain things when they look back at players like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Rafael Palmiero, and Mark McGuire. It’s time for Pats fans to accept that reality. People have made up their minds and that’s the way it’ll always be.
It’s just funny to me that anybody in the media whether it be Matt Walsh or former players of journalists get lashed out at by Pats fans because they’re talking about it and not minimizing it the certain other people are. And then these Pats fans cling to those other people to try and justify what their team did. Pats fans don’t like the message so they’re trying their hardest to shoot the messenger whenever possible.
The only entity to blame in all this are the New England Patriots. They did it to themselves, nobody did it to them. And if it wasn’t advantagous to do what they did, then they wouldn’t have done it. It’s really that simple. If it was of no use, Belichick wouldn’t have bothered. Simple common sense, and that’s all it really comes down to. As i’ve said, there’s a perfectly good reason why guys like Wiess have kept their mouths shut. There’s a good reason why no Pats offensive players or coaches (past or present) have gotten on the podium to defend their team and their legacy after all this criticism and all this scrutiny.
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
This entire videotaping scandal has been exaggerated and overdone by people who never understood the context of the original incident that triggered it. Remember? The Jets nabbed the Patriots, after the Pats and Jets had exchanged earlier recriminations about tampering, coach and player pilfering, and other assorted nastiness.
It was never as big a deal as it was made out to be, not for the NFL, anyway. Two teams can’t stand each other, but neither has the right to be sanctimonious about what has transpired during the last eight months or so.
Walsh was not Tomase’s source. Connect the dots, folks. It’s not that hard to unravel.
Why is it that Brady says the one team he doesn’t respect is the Jets? It’s not because he doesn’t respect the players who wear green. It’s because the Pats know who kept feeding dishonest and misleading information to the rumor mill right up to the day of the Super Bowl.
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Going into next year if the nfl hasn’t kicked bellycheat out of the league the fans at every away game and maybe some at the pats stadium will chant “cheaters”. They won games by cheating big time. Is that fair. Heck no.
As of right now the pats fans and pats team are laughing at all the rest of us cause they brought home the trophys and the nfl heirchy is letting them keep it. If you knowingly cheat to win those trophys no way should you be allowed to keep them. What is sportsmanship anymore. It seems like a dead idea.
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
“jared2181 says:
May 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Things I’ve learned from Spygate
1. The concussions Steve Young suffered while playing football have severely affected his intelligence.
2. There was good reason for Belichick treating the media like the scum that they are for all these years. These past nine months have proven him right.
3. Despite the numerous former and current players and coaches going on record that taping signals has no real advantage except saving man hours for team scouting staffs, the idiots and haters focus on the three people in the country who claim its a game changing advantage; Steve Young the brain damaged Mormon, the proven liar and thief Matt Walsh, and Mark Shlereth whose stupidity rivals that of most people posting comments on this website.
4. Despite saying they wish this story would go away, Mike Florio and all the other mediots continue to use Spygate as a crutch to hide their inability to write compelling stories on anything else.
5. Fans claiming that taping signals made the Pats what they are today are either trolling or completely ignorant about the game of football. I’m guessing these fans are also using message boards as an outlet for the feelings of hopelessness they have knowing that barring miraculous events like the Giants experienced on the last drive of the SuperBowl, their team has no chance of beating the Patriots next season. ”
Great post
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May 19th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
bradtor777 says: blah blah blah…
This is the best. “Pats as victims”.
THAT’S why the Pats have become the most hated team in the NFL. It’s because of their stupid “genius” coach. And their stupid homer fans.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Maybe Brady had his best year because he had a phenomenal O-line that gave him like 45 seconds to look around every snap, Randy Moss, and Wes Welker. Ya think? There’s a reason that didn’t happen until they signed those two recievers. it’s also no coincidence that the above-mentioned combination of finesse talent and the current panty-waist NFL rules that flag defenders for even exhaling in a reciever’s general direction these days played a large part. In Young’s era those two recievers would be getting knocked all over the place during the play. That Patriots offense wouldn’t have been quite so spectacular under the old rules.
And as for Brady vs. Young………….at least Young wasn’t a one-dimensional QB as Brady is. When Young was playing he was able to move out of the pocket, shed sacks, and extend the play with his feet to make plays. Brady is capable of none of that. Brady’s success is soley dependant upon having time in the pocket to throw. When he does make the odd scramble now and then he’s slow as molasses and dives for the turf when a defender gets within 10 yards of him. When teams are able to get good pressure on him you may as well put the name Grossman on his back. We saw this in the Super Bowl.
It’s funny that Pats fans still are under the impression that the Pats will just walk over any every team at will just because they’re mad at the world because they got caught cheating. LOL. You guys weren’t really blowing anybody out after that Philly game. Teams were playing you close most of the 2nd half of the season. Hell, the Chargers without LT and a QB that was playing without an ACL in his knee very nearly beat you. And I don’t have to remind of what happened in the Super Bowl when Brady and that line were literally man-handled the whole game. For a time last season the Pats were 80’s era Mike Tyson. At the Super Bowl Mike Tyson met Buster Douglass (the Giants) and the rest is history. The mystique is gone. Nobody’s afraid of you guys anymore.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
****well then why…
1) is it against the rules to tape signals?
2) why did the patriots got to such great lengths not to get caught?
3) why would they tape at all if it didn’t give them an unfair advantage?
4) why did they keep taping after they were caught against the packers in 2006 and belicheat was warned?
5) why was walsh instructed how not to get caught?????****
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1.) it’s not against the rules to tape signals…it’s against the rules to film from certain locations and matters not what is filmed. you can buy from the league however, just as the Dolphins did against the Pats in 2006….but that’s not cheating????
2.) would it make sense to let the other team know where you are when trying to steal signals?
3.) they taped because it forced the other teams to change their calls and the Pats knew the team would eventually mess up trying to fool the Pats.
4.) same reason why the Jets filmed them in the playoffs but the Jets have the New York media and former Jets employee, Goodell as commish to protect them.
5.) #2
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for the people saying Weis isn’t a genius because Notre Dame sucked….well does that mean Walsh isn’t a genius because Stanford sucked after he left the 9ers?
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the players comments are interesting because it seems to me that they’re admitting, without admitting, that their team does it too.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Walrus, the Pats had all their tapes destroyed so they had no collection.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
and the Celtics are 25-5 against the West, they aren’t worried about them.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
I highly doubt Belichick would have gone through the steps to cheat, hide his cheating, and risk getting caught cheating if it did not gain a competitive advantage. Why ELSE would he have risked his reputation, the Patriot’s reputation, and casted a doubt over all of their collective accomplishments?
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
My name says it all. Cheating on the most crucial play of the last Super Bowl is the most blatant breaking of the rules I have even seen. The Patriots almost beat the NFL and Giants last year but what can you do when the refs have orders to not throw a flag? The Giants are the biggest cheaters in the NFL and the NFL now has their revenge against the Kraft family.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
“2) why did the patriots got to such great lengths not to get caught?”
Jeebus do you even read or listen to whats been said? The Pats did not go to great lengths to hide what they were doing. For the most part they were in plain site on the sidelines where 65,000 people can see what they were doing.
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May 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Hey, Skabaltimore, I never said the Pats were victims. They were guilty of breaking the rules during the first game of the season, and they were punished for that transgression.
What I am saying, and what you fail to comprehend, is that all the other crap in the media was misinformation. The taping of the walkthrough, the bugging of coach-to-quarterback microphones, all the other allegations . . . they were all false.
Where did that stuff come from, and who was promoting it? And why? It’s not hard to figure out; nearly all of it, with the exception of the Tomase story, came from the New York media. Facts without context don’t lead to knowledge and insight.
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Bottom line is that it’s impossible to quantify any advantage the Pats may have gotten from taping signals. There’s no way to do it.
Belichick is an asswipe (I think most of us can agree on that). He probably cheated and had some kind of advantage. The extent to which it helped win championships we’ll never know. Life goes on. Can we?
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Henry Plainview,
i love how you take the same argument all the other patriot homers take, that it’s allowable from certain “angles” laughable!
then you play the “everyone else cheats” card! too funny
Mike Florio said it best a couple days ago:
“The Patriots cheated, for years.
The Pats continued to cheat even after they knew that the league was onto them.
The NFL imposed a stiff punishment for the cheating.
The NFL destroyed the evidence that the Patriots turned over regarding cheating, making it impossible for anyone to know the extent of the Pats’ cheating.”
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
bradtor777 says:
“Hey, Skabaltimore, I never said the Pats were victims. They were guilty of breaking the rules during the first game of the season, and they were punished for that transgression.”
Again — you live in total denial. The Pats have been cheating since 2000, not just the first game of the season. THAT’S the bottom line. And everybody in the world — including the Commissioner — understands that. The Commissioner understands that the “oh, it was only a couple of games”, and “oh, it didn’t really affect the outcome” is a bunch of crap and he’s not buying it. Everybody understands that it was done for a very specific purpose — the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage — or else it wouldn’t have been done in the first place. Everybody, that is — except for the sorry azz Pats fans. And all that does is make other team’s fans pump up the volume of the rallying cry even louder: “CHEATERS”!
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
and if the NFL wanted all this crap to end, then the over his head commissioner should not of destroyed ANY evidence! this will never die and that is the fault of the nfl, and good-al, it’s a damn shame there is no pete rozzelle around anymore!
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I am amazed by the amount of kool-aid consumed…
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May 19th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
steve young is living proof that getting hit
in the head too often can cause stange diseases.
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