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One issue that has been overlooked by many/most/all of the media, and of which a reader has reminded us recently, is the question of whether the Patriots used their videotaping system on the St. Louis Rams when the two teams met in the 2001 regular season, only a couple of months before Super Bowl XXXVI.
Even though we now know that the Pats didn’t videotape the Rams’ walk-through prior to the game, it doesn’t mean that there was no cheating on the biggest stage in sports.
It’s unclear whether the question has been asked, but it sure doesn’t appear to us that the question has been answered. And it’s a simple question — did the videotaping of defensive coaching signals include the November 18 prime-time game between the two teams, which the Rams won, 24-17?
May 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
CaptainFantastik,
Guess your from one of the other LOSER teams considering your ranting. But, hey, you know what? WE DON’T CARE! Serious lady. We are braggarts because we’re that damn good!! Now, for all the rest of you losers/complainers/NEhaters, place your heads in the toilets, look up, open your mouth and EAT OUR COLLECTIVE CRAP for the next severals years. Oh, have a nice day.
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May 20th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
tkebean says:
May 20th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I’ll give the Broncos as also deserving an asterisk, but the colts and bears are speculation. Let’s give them out based on fact.
1998 & 99 Denver Brocos *
2001 New England Patriots **
2003 New England Patriots **
2004 New England Patriots **
* caught in salary cap scandal
** caught and admitted to cheating.
TKBean - current - yes even today, the rules say that taping of signal calling is legal in an area that is fully enclosed and not accessible to the team during the game (making clear even today that ONLY game time use of those tapes is prohibited… post game use is allowed)
Let’s say that the team that you’re a fan of followed those rules to the letter.
Now let’s say that tomorrow the Commissioner “clarifies” that rule to make clear that NO taping, whatsoever, regardless of location or when it is intended to be used, is prohibited.
Would you say that your team was cheating? They were in compliance with the rule up until the time that the Commissioner clarified what he obviously felt was an unclear rule. Once he clarified the rule, were there past activities, before he clarified it, cheating?
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May 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
@ Joesixpack
You really are an ignorant, stupid moron, aren’t you?! How can you not actually read what I wrote. My point is what the Pats and BB did WAS ILLEGAL PRIOR TO 2006. THE MEMO DID NOT MAKE IT ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL THE MEMO DID WAS TRY TO SEND A WAKE UP CALL TO ALL THE CHEATERS THAT THEY BETTER STOP CHEATING. THIS IS AKIN TO A COP PULLING YOU OVER AND ONLY GIVING YOU A WARNING WHEN YOU ARE SPEEDING. YOU KNOW YOU ARE SPEEDING, YOU JUST MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. THE NEXT TIME THAT COP PULLS YOU OVER, YOU ARE GETTING A TICKET. THATS WHAT HAPPENED. YOUR PRECIOUS LITTLE PATSIES CHEATED AND GOT CAUGHT. IT WAS CHEATING PRIOR, DURING AND AFTER 2006. THEY WERE WARNED TO STOP (ALONG WITH THE OTHER 31 TEAMS) IN 2006, THEN WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT IN 2007, THE CRAP HIT THE FAN. END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 20th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
my goodness bpenlandjr, did I hit a nerve?
It’s ok - I’ve seen many fans like you who haven’t actually read the memo or the rule. They’re often surprised to find that the NFL admitted a need to clarify their own rule in 2006. Some people can actually even read that memo clarifying the rule and then deny the rule was clarified.
Now that we all know from other coaches and other sources that other teams were doing the exact same thing as Belichick was it’s REALLY difficult for them to accept that
I know it really hurt a lot of people bad when they were hoping for a walk through tape, only to learn the whole story was a fabrication by the media
And I know you couldn’t bring yourself to answer the question as to whether you think its fair to clarify a rule in 2006 and then attempt to punish a team for an infraction in 2001.
But most of all, I know you really shouldn’t let sports or people on the internet get to you like that.
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May 21st, 2008 at 8:45 am
stick him again JoeSixPack
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May 21st, 2008 at 11:02 am
Actually, none of you “know” that other teams were doing it. All you can cling to is a comment by Jimmy Johnson. You have ZERO evidence to back it up. There are ZERO tapes of any other team doing it. There’s an important distinction here. It is an undisputed FACT that the Patriots were cheating for 6+ years and the NFL Commissioner has gone on record acknowledging it was cheating before and after the memo. On the other had, like I said, there is ZERO evidence that anybody else has done it.
Hoe Joesixpack, let’s see your evidence to back your claim. I’m sure i’ll be waiting a while because non exists. Funny how you’ll cling to Jimmy Johnson but Walsh is the bad guy LOL. Shoot the messenger delivering the message you don’t want to hear, and praise the guy delivering the message you DO want to hear……even if he’s admitting that he’s a cheater also. That’s how far you guys have sunk. Funny how the rest of the NFL coaching world hasn’t exactly lined up to back Johnson’s assertion. LOL.
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