When it comes to Spygate, the portly head coach of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish is behaving like the portly German prison guard who typically opened his mouth only to insert macaroons into it.
Charlie Weis isn’t talking, at all. Even though he specifically has been implicated this week by former Patriots video employee Matt Walsh as the man who ultimately received the fruits of the team’s efforts to videotape defensive coaching signals in an effort to figure out what the offense would be facing.
Notre Dame has denied a request to interview Weis on the issue. Weis previously has refused to talk about Spygate, explaining that it’s not a Notre Dame matter.
But, as the Chicago Tribune points out, it is a Notre Dame matter if Weis’s ascension from the position of offensive coordinator in New England to head coach at Notre Dame had anything to do with the products of cheating.
How would that be any different than George O’Leary’s trumped-up credentials, which were irrelevant to his coaching abilities at Notre Dame but which nevertheless resulted in his departure only days after taking the job? Athletic director Kevin White called O’Leary’s conduct a “breach of trust.”
This time around, White echoes the notion that whether Weis got ahead via cheating is “not a Notre Dame matter.”
Under that logic, nothing inappropriate that a head coach at Notre Dame did at any point in his life prior to arriving in South Bend would be relevant to his fitness to continue in the job, since it’s “not a Notre Dame matter.”
The mantra seems to be the result of careful planning the powers-that-be, who apparently have concluded that nothing good would arise if real questions were asked and answered regarding what Weis knew, when he knew it, and what he did with it.
And so Weis and White and anyone else connected to the program will continue to pretend that Spygate doesn’t raise real questions about whether Charlie indirectly trumped up his credentials through a system of cheating that presumably helped the Patriots — and thus presumably helped Weis.
But even though the Irish are circling the wagons in this regard, our guess is that Weis will face greater pressure to reverse last season’s steep decline of the program. And we also think that, if/when Weis get fired, he’ll be compelled to fully explain his role in Spygate before anyone will hire him.
Unless, of course, Weis goes back to work for the Patriots.
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:00 am
So much mediot obsession and so few facts. ha ha ha ha ha ha
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:17 am
If Weis is fired after this season, you don’t think there will be a half dozen to a dozen NFL teams lining up to hire him as their offensive coordinator? Of course there will be. They may ask about Spygate, but I bet most if not all of them will not make that a reason to exclude him from the hiring process.
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Hard to imagine Notre Dame can say it doesn’t apply when he was hired almost soley basis of his stint as OC with NE, where he became “an play-calling genius”. The 2002 AFC Championship game tape proves with hard evidence that he cheated (whereas before there was no evidence).
This will affect Notre Dame’s reputation and credibility forever if they don’t cut bait. It also will likely have a major affect on recruiting… How can a parent beleive anything that comes out of Weis’ mouth after this?
ND is already nearing punchline status on the field, currrently holding the longest bowl losing streak and off their worst season ever. Unless they explain their position better than this, they’ll be considered a laughingstock as a institution of higher learning.
The only reason IMO that Weis hasn’t been fired already is it would be AD White’s 5th coach in 8 years. He’s walking out the door with him if Weis goes.
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:33 am
LOL - I have to hand it to you, Florio. You’ve found a new and creative way to keep the Spygate story alive. Perhaps it’s time you just change the name of the website to spygatetalk.com….
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Ask him to explain his role in the illegally obtained information the Patriots used to win Super Bowls. If the Patriots didn’t tape the walkthrough of the Rams, they obviously taped the Rams signals during the FIRST game they played them (November 18, 2001). Next time you watch the replay, you will see that in the final drive of the Super Bowl, when the Rams are signaling their defensive plays (previously stolen by the Pats) the Patriots go into their no-huddle offense, headed by an obscurely known QB.
When they played the Steelers on October 31, 2004, the Patriots couldn’t cheat very much. There was a new, rookie QB, so probably new offensive signals, but more important, Dick LeBeau had returned to the Steelers that season. So the Patriots had no tapes to use. What happened? The Steelers broke the Patriots winning streak. Patriots probably filmed the defensive signals in THAT game though, so that they could beat the Steelers if they were to play them in the playoffs. They looked like a different team.
When the Patriots played the Eagles in the Super Bowl, the Patriots gained only 45 yards the first quarter. Then the playcalling took a 360 turn starting the second quarter. Ask Weis if the Patriots used a strong scouting report to gain a fair edge, or was somebody picking up the the Eagles defensive calls from a sideline camera that deprived them of a fair shot?
Yeah, ask Weis about all that.
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May 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am
I wonder how many college teams subscribe to the Belichick, Johnson & Parcells school of Espionage & Cheating and tape both offensive an defensive signals.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:11 am
spyboots your an idiot! Why don’t we apply your reasoning to Superbowl 22, Redskins blanked in the 1st quarter by the Broncos then score 6 unanswered TDs , 5 of them in the second quarter alone. Well using your logic they must have cheated right?
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Of course he’s keeping quiet. In fact, last year when Spygate broke he was asked about it during a Notre Dame presser and responded “i’m not touching that with a 10 foot pole”. LOL. There’s a perfectly good reason why all the offensive personnel (players and coaches) both past and present are keeping quiet. They know what they did. it’s just so funny to me that after all this, nobody has stood up to defend themselves. If the Patriots were so wronged (as their delusional fans love to believe)……then howcome NOBODY from the offensive side has stood up? It’s pretty simple.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Spybot, you’re an idiot! In that 2004 regular season game against the steelers the Pats lost 4 key starters to injury in game (if I’m not mistaken the offensive line was down to 2 starters, Ty Law and Corey Dillon were hurt in the 1st quarter). By the time they met against in the playoffs they were healthy again. I love how fools like you try to rewrite history. Championship teams recover from regular season losses and win in the playoffs.
Oh yea how does “playcalling change 360 degrees”, are you really this stupid or just trying to be funny?
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am
mikemboston, YOU’RE the idiot. When the Pats lose, it’s “because of injuries.” The Steelers had injuries, too, for that game. Their nose tackle, Casey Hampton, was out most of the season. They also had a first-string safety and a cornerback out with injuries.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:40 am
spyboots,
So the fact that Corey Dillon was inactive in the first game had nothing to do with the Patriots losing? Or Ty Law breaking his foot throwing an unprepared rookie, Randall Gay, into the starting line up? Know the offensive groupings (which is all you can get from stealing offensive signals and are usually easy to steal anyway), didn’t make the Steelers offense turn over the the ball four times.
You are grasping as straws yet again.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:47 am
People like Spybot kill me, the 2002 championship game was won bc of a punt return and a blocked field goal taken back fora TD’S. The last time i checked that had nothing to do with knowing the other teams signals. As for the Super Bowl against the Rams how many turnovers did the Rams have? That was the key to that game. Maybe in the second Super Bowl the Pats and the Panthers both used video there was a huge scoring output in the second half. As for as the 3rd Super Bowl it may have been the fact that the Eagles could not cover Deon Branch. But i guess video helped him find all those holes in that stupid cover 2 they play, or maybe the fact that the Pats D had Mcnabb confused and all game by switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. People like you can come up with all the excuses you want, and then sit back and watch the Pats role over everyone again the season.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:49 am
weis gain a lot from cheating. Why ruin what he has by talking
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I’m starting to feel like this about “spygate”, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:51 am
It’s too bad that those class-action lawsuits by season ticket holders against the Pats for fraud were dropped. The planintiffs would have been able to subpoena those ‘ 50 people’ Goodell interviewed including Weis, Crennell, Mangini and other staff and players over tha e past 8 years. They would have to testify under oath. They would have to worry that if even one person cracked and told the truth, the rest would be nailed for perjury for lying. Of course, many could take the ‘ I don’t remember’ route of Doball, the former Patriots coach who is now the receivers coach of the Jets. One thing is certian: the ‘offensive genius’ Weis actually sux as a coach. Without cheating, he has to be the worst coach ND ever hired.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
pats won 18 straight games being the most scrutinized team in the history of pro football.pats won the most games over trhe last 8 years with tough defence and mediocre offence.grow up haters and look at the facts.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Since stealing signals in the NFL, when done the old fashioned way, is fairly common (and not against the rules). It’s possible that when the discussion of signals came up, Weis or anyone else would have assumed the advance scouts did their job well. Ernie Adams doesn’t seem to be the type to tell people where he got the info from, just that he has it.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am
By Spybot’s theory, the Giants also cheated this year… Patriots beat them in the regular season finale and they came back to win in the Super Bowl. Packers beat them soundly in week 2 and the Giants defeated them in OT in the NFC championship game. And the most damning evidence of them all… The Cowboys thrashed the G-men TWICE during the regular season and thanks to the tapes of the defensive signals, the Giants came into Dallas and won in the NFC divisional round. hmm… who should get the trophy? Pats, Pack? Boys? tough call.
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Seems like everyone is fond of “forgetting” that before 2006 the NFL rules had enough wiggle room to stealing and taping of signals for later review… just not for use on that game day.
All the evidence suggests that the Patriots were NOT using it that game day but for later editing and review. So it doesn’t seem to me that it makes in impact on Weiss in the least. He wasn’t in New England when the NFL clarified the rule to close that loophole.
And its not like Weis was the only OC to have the benefit of such tapes. Jimmy Johnson acknoweldged it was common place before the NFL clarified the rule. And Matt Walsh confirmed that other teams had guys doing what he did as well (although no one in the Media or the NFL or the US Senate saw fit to ask him “which team was it?” as they’d rather deny how widespread signal stealing and taping is.)
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I expect nothing less from Notre Dame. Such a shame to see a school that once held such elite statis fall to such shambles. I expect a university such as Notre Dame to handle itself with more dignity.
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I for one would LOVE to see Weiss back on the Pats. He is so much better than that Moron Josh McDaniels. How can one man do so little with so much talent? Yeah sure, you will tell me he won so many games, and the offense was historically prolific, but that was due to talent. Josh hampers this team. Took him forever to make adjustments to the Giants D, and by the time they had figured it out, it was too late. Should have been taken care of in the second or third quarter!
Bring back Weiss!
And oh, Weiss will be fine without the tapes. What so many people don’t realize is that the information on those tapes can be gotten by other, legal means. Taping from the sidelines was just more convenient.
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Gotta love the “obscurely known” breaking the single season TD record and leading his team to a 16-1 record after “Spygate.” You know, without any breakage of the rules. Keep stretching every possible angle you want, the Pats won three Super Bowls and have by far and away the best record over the last decade and they did it because they are that F’ing good. If Bill Belichick became a free agent tomorrow, 31 teams would fire their coaches in a heartbeat to hire him. Bank on it.
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
You don’t plead the fifth if you don’t have something to hide. Why continue to cheat if “It was not helpful) as Jimmy Johnson put it. I could understand that but I believe cheating should be eliminated completely. Kick the offenders out of the league. That will end that crap.
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Poor Charlie Weiss has so many angry NFL fans wishing for his failure at ND. He seems part of the whole coverup. Is it just coincidence or bad karma that Spygate and his miserable 2007 ND season occured in 2007…
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May 18th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
OH COME ON, Florio… As long as Weis wouldn’t become an employee of a non-Pats NFL team and embarrass his new employer by ratting out his old one on the grounds of something every team does, nobody would care what happened in NE. But nobody would ever do that anyways.
/rolleyes>
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