Several readers have sent to us the full, 15-minute interview of Patriots coach Bill Belichick by Armen Keteyian of CBS.
Here it is.
One key excerpt that didn’t make it onto the CBS Evening News was Belichick’s assertion, right out of the gates, that “more than one person” had told him that Matt Walsh had claimed that he had videotaped the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI.
“Now that story has changed,” Belichick says. “It seems like he has an agenda.”
This contention meshes with our strongly-held belief that Walsh was the source for the February 2 story in the Boston Herald that the walk-through practice had been taped. So, apparently, Walsh lied to John Tomase of the Herald, and then presumably told the truth to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on May 13.
As to the videotaping of coaching signals, Belichick emphasized that he believed that he read the rules to prohibit the use of video shot in a game during that game. And Belichick insisted that the Pats never used the video during the same game.
Regarding the September 2006 memo, Belichick said that he should have gone to the NFL and asked whether his past approach was still acceptable.
Keteyian then pressed him on the language of the memo, in an exchange that should have made it into the “real” broadcast, but didn’t.
(As to our summary of the excerpt of the interview that aired on Friday night, we based our conclusion that Belichick conceded that he became aware in September 2006 that the practice was against the rules on this narrative statement from Keteyian: “Belichick acknowledged when the rule was clarified by the league in September 2006, outlawing videotaping of any type during a game, he stepped over the line.” Belichick didn’t actually say that; he claimed that he should have sought clarification from the league, and then Keteyian pressed him on whether, given the plain language of the memo, clarification of any kind was needed.)
Belichick’s primary argument in support of his position that they didn’t know the practice violated the rules was that the taping occurred out in the open. But, as we see it, the alleged lack of secrecy doesn’t mean that Belichick believed the tactic was fully within the rules. Perhaps there was no way to covertly tape the signals, and that the better approach was to tell Walsh to do what he did while acting that he was doing something that he was allowed to do.
If, after all, no one complains about it, then there will be no problem. The fact that Walsh wasn’t wearing a trenchcoat and a fake moustache doesn’t mean that the Pats weren’t preparing, if push came to shove, to say that they weren’t doing what they were doing.
Keteyian and Belichick also debated the question of whether the videotaped signals had any real benefit, and Belichick pointed out the reality that the information that was taped was available to anyone in the stadium could have seen the signals that were being taped.
With the benefit of seeing and hearing the full interview, we think that Keteyian did a fair and proper job of grilling Belichick, and that whoever cut the thing together for use on the CBS Evening News might have believed that the end result would make Belichick look good, when in reality it made him look bad.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
after reading these posts, one thing is crystal clear…99% of you people have no idea what your talking about
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
“I am starting a website soon and will take this national!!!!!”
I’m sure we’re all giddy with anticipation over that.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
why do people say the fine wasn’t right. I got one for ya what if it was the Falcons who lost the pick and it was the third pick in the draft. Then everyone would be outraged saying you cant do this to a team its crippling but because the pats picked late in the first round its not enough. Put yourself in our shoes and realize how much losing a first round pick hurts and is crippling to a franchise and just know we were real lucky to have made that trade last year with San Fran.
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May 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
The fact that Walsh was, apparently, so far removed from the process (ie, on a different floor of the building, giving tapes to Ernie Adams, an intermediary, etc.) makes me wonder whether this was done so that if/when the Pats got caught, they could say (about any of the video-taking employees) “Look, these peons don’t know jack.”
In other words, this kind of organizational chart of signal theft smells to me like Bill Belichick trying to protect himself.
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May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The BB defense can be used in manner instances:
“geeze, your honor I never thought bugging another teams phone was illegal because it wasn’t in the rules book. I mean during a course of a game teams try to listen to the other teams huddle, so I thought what’s the difference if I bugg the phones lines. I just use it for research and it doesn’t really effect our game plan.
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May 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
alexy: Did you expect that Matt Walsh would share an office with BB? I’ve worked at many companies where I’ve been on the separate floors and had separate managers than the CEO.
Any organization of any size similar to the Patriots has this organization chart in place. It’s common sense and something that every other team employs - there is no way that their camera assistants (the ones allowed) directly report to the head coach.
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Alexy - protect himself how exactly? In the interview he said the players and assistants are not to be blamed in this. He said he made a mistake. He lost a half million bucks and his reputation over it. What exactly is left to protect?
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
“Any organization of any size similar to the Patriots has this organization chart in place. It’s common sense and something that every other team employs - there is no way that their camera assistants (the ones allowed) directly report to the head coach.”
touché. i suppose i was thinking aloud.
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Goodfan3 said, “geeze, your honor I never thought bugging another teams phone was illegal because it wasn’t in the rules book. I mean during a course of a game teams try to listen to the other teams huddle, so I thought what’s the difference if I bugg the phones lines. I just use it for research and it doesn’t really effect our game plan.”
Here’s why that argument doesn’t work in law… the information in the other team’s huddle or phone lines is private information. There is no Expectation of Privacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy). It can’t be heard by 70,000 fans including TV cameras for viewers at home. If the Patriots bugged phone lines or players, they’d be gaining new information that was completely private. This is like stealing the other team’s play book.
In the case of videotaping signals, it’s taking information that the opposing team is clearly making available to you and recording it. Most teams use an advanced scout, a backup QB, and pen & paper. The Patriots simply used modern technology that made it more convenient - and there was no rule in the books that they couldn’t use the modern technology.
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
FreeAgentPro, a Passionate Fan, says:
May 17th, 2008 at 11:13 am
“Why didn’t other teams do the same thing? Because other teams DID do the same thing. Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing it. He said Marty Schottenheimer did it. Matt Walsh said he saw the Jets doing it.”
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Yo dude, take a chill already! You are so worked up you have become delusional!! Do you have any idea when Jimmy Johnson retired from coaching?? After the 2001-2002 season (after Jax kicked the Fins butts 62-7), same time Marino left as well. This was not illegal then. It was OK to do up until the 2006 season, when the memo was sent out.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
To BeeelllBeelichik, who said, “Put yourself in our shoes and realize how much losing a first round pick hurts and is crippling to a franchise”
Well, cheating against other teams (including super bowls) hurt and was cripping to THEIR franchises. Now we know what the “halftime adjustments” were all about.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
To fishman, who posted to alexy: Any organization of any size similar to the Patriots has this organization chart in place. There is no way that their camera assistants (the ones allowed) directly report to the head coach.
Yeh, mob hit men others also have a “Buffer” so they can’t directly finger who Gave the Orders! BCheat made sure he had his Buffer.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
@SpyBoots, cheating, even in the most liberal definition of the NFL rules, didn’t occur until 2006 memo, so the Patriots cheated in exactly zero Super Bowls.
Also @SpyBoots, I’m not saying that Bill Belichick didn’t have a “buffer” for “plausible deniability.” At the same time, it’s hardly a smoking gun to do something how every other organization (football and American corporation) does it. It’s simply the Salem witch trials all over again to call the Patriots on that.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
fishman, a Cheerleader, says: May 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
@SpyBoots, cheating, even in the most liberal definition of the NFL rules, didn’t occur until 2006 memo, so the Patriots cheated in exactly zero Super Bowls.
Then why was there such a big deal made about whether or not the Rams walkthrough occurred. If it were “legal” pre-2006, then who would care?
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May 17th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Fishman, it WAS against league rules pre-1006:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/sports/football/13nfl.html?fta=y
In its statement, the league said Goodell had determined “the Patriots had violated league rules by videotaping opposing coaches’ defensive signals” THRUOGHOUT BELICHICK’S TENSURE AS COACH.
Stealing signals is legal; yes, that is true. However, it is not legal to tape where the Pats did it from. And the memo that came out in 2006 was to REINFORCE this to the league since so many teams were complaining about the Pats cheating! It wasn’t a “change” in the rules.
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May 17th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
@SpyBoots: It goes back to what the expected level of privacy is (see back a few posts). You expect to have privacy in a private walkthrough. You expect to have privacy in the huddle, your own locker room, or your hotel’s phone lines. Violating this expectation of privacy is covered well by laws that supersede the NFL’s. This expectation might be covered in NFL’s rules as well.
With all the taping of signals during games, there is no expectation of privacy of those signals. You are broadcasting them into open. That’s why teams go to wristbands, and complex signals. It’s not illegal to try to decipher this publicly available information and use it… even during the game. The Patriots only legally used modern equipment (at least until 2006)… and gained no competitive advantage over what a stenographer could still legally provide under today’s rules.
Think about it when a team legally put a stenographer out there to record the coaches signals.
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May 17th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I love this! hahahaha
For Pats fans, it’s either “Pats didn’t do anything that no one else is doing vs. Pats haters.”
For everyone else, it’s “Blind ignorant Pats fans vs. people that aren’t buying Belicheck’s bull$hit.”
I’m either a “Pats hater” or a “person that isn’t buying Belicheck’s bull$hit.”
I haven’t decided.
hahahahahahaha
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I’m sorry, I consider myself to be a fair and logical person. However, I can’t believe Billy boy to be anything other than a Liar! His whole argument or defense rests on the fact that he says ” we never used it during the playing of a game” and that it had no effect. PLEASE, if it had no effect on the outcome of games then why go thru all the trouble to do it? Of course it was used in games. Belicheat himself said “teams change their signals all the time”. Exactly! That’s why you need to have them on tape to analyze on the spot, before teams have a chance to change them. Also, he said Walsh (or video guy) stood in endzone in plain view. What about the tape Glazer had against the Jets? That was clearly shot from the sideline. Billy Boy is using technicallities to try and explain it all away. He is dealing in half truths. It is so freakin’ obvious, and it doesn’t matter who else was doing what….YOU GOT CAUGHT! It’s like when you go to traffic court……try telling the Judge that “everybody was speeding, and that you were just going with the flow of traffic” and see where that gets you! Unreal.
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Folks, looks like people are not getting some of the most significant parts of this interview. Most importantly, BB explains his interpretation of the by-laws. Furthermore, he states what most people do not understand, that the memo is NOT by-law, and can not change what the by-law says. It is meaningless. Let me explain:
First, in order to be binding, the by-laws must be clearly understandable. BB explained the by-law, and it states clearly that the tapes are not to be used during the game. It can be understood to mean that you CAN tape, as long as they are not used during the game. If this went to court, the Pats CLEARLY have a case.
But what about the memo? The memo was sent to bring attention to the policy. It was not, and CAN NOT be a statement of a CHANGE in policy, unless the policy itself is changed. BB stated correctly, that he went back to the NFL constitution, because the constitution trumps the memo. This is indisputable. In a business, if you get a memo that contradicts company policy, you have to follow the company policy, NOT the memo!
So much for BB blatantly lying and cheating. He clearly stated what he interpreted in the rule and why. He made a logical and well thought argument. If the case went to a court of law, his argument would hold water. Indeed, the Pats would probably win, because the policy is poorly written, and is not clearly understandable. It could indeed be interpreted as BB interpreted it. And in cases like this, the courts generally rule in the favor of the employee, NOT the business.
Hate if you want, but BB scored on this interview, and he is absolutely correct…again. This is looking more and more like the NFL trying to take down the Pats than anything else. They really hate that the Pats made a mockery of their vaunted “parity.” Signing Stallworth, Moss, and AD at discounts was the last straw. The Pats were to be punished, no matter what.
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May 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
@SpyBoot: Goodell has misinterpreted the NFL Constitution By-Laws… See the exact text in the 4th paragraph of http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/12/videotaping_rul.html
“In the league’s Constitution & Bylaws, it reads: ‘Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game.’”
See, the modifier of “might aid a team during the playing of a game” easily applies to the videotaping making it legal under any reasonable interpretation of the rule.
I understand that Goodell’s has ruled otherwise, but just because says the person committed a crime doesn’t make so. You have to look at the act itself and laws that govern the act. When you do, it’s clear that prior to the memo, unless there is some other rule than the one I referenced, it was legal.
The memo did change the rule, there’s no way it was a clarification of what the rule above says…
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May 17th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
“His whole argument or defense rests on the fact that he says ” we never used it during the playing of a game” and that it had no effect. PLEASE, if it had no effect on the outcome of games then why go thru all the trouble to do it? Of course it was used in games.”
If the tape is not used during the same game that was taped it’s not a violation of the rule. Please try to do a little more research before offering up another “fair and logical” argument.
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May 17th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
@Freddyb3, Where did BB say that it had no effect? The interview that I saw with CBS News said that it was part of the 100s pieces of intelligence and scouting that they have that go into a game. I don’t see how you can say he claimed it had no effect. However, he is correct to say that you put all your eggs in the basket of them calling plays a certain way. If they change their signals, you are going to be screwed.
@stanjam, Thank you for explaining this from a legal perspective. That’s what I took away from the interview as well. He followed the letter of the law to a “T” and the law was poor written. Also, you are right that the Constitution should supersede a memo to change the rule…
It’s really quite stupid, all the NFL had to do is ask, “Why are you doing this? This is illegal from the rule here… BB would say, “Umm, see your Constitution here, it’s clearly legal.” The NFL would come back with, “Hmmm, you’re right, we should change that.” Instead the media got involved, fans went on a witch-hunt to take out a dynasty. Goodell couldn’t simply ignore the crowd and make the logical call. Now he looks bad, very bad.
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May 18th, 2008 at 9:37 am
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Really isn’t much I can add to this statement….I think it shows the TYPICAL vocal Steelers fan and their complete and total lack of intelligence….a shining example actually. I feel for you……really….it’s pathetic in a sad sort of way how. It’s too bad the intelligent people of Pennsylvania (and there are many), let clowns like THIS guy be the spokesman for you all. I especially love the name calling at the end….Brady…a pansy whiny boy??? Are you kidding me? How many games has he missed in his career? Has he EVER whined or complained before, during or after a game? Nope…..now…let’s examine Ben Rothlesberger……no…I better not….I would totally expose you as the fraud you are. Stick to waving your terrible towel….and don’t forget…it can also be used to wipe tears after yet another early playoff exit by the Steelers.
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May 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Rob,
I never denied what JJ said, I simply refuted your generalization that JJ spoke for the entire league……he didn’t. As i’ve pointed out, Marv Levy (another inlfuential and well connected coach from that same era) is on record saying that he never taped and didn’t know of anyone else who had either. That covers alot of ground. As i’ve said, you Pats fans have not a single strand of evidence that any other team has done what the Patriots did. If it weas anywhere near as prevalent as you guys claim, tapes would popping up all over the place. They’re not. Just stop with the excuses. The Patriots cheated for over 6 years. The whole world knows. Just accept reality and stop trying to justify it. It sucks for you fans but you have nobody to be angry at but the New England Patriots. They did it to themselves and they knew exactly what they were doing the whole time. Stop trying to play the victim.
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May 18th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
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Obviously you don’t watch many games. Yes, Brady whines, before, (especially) during, and many times after a game. You don’t see any quarterback - of ANY team - chasing a ref around the field like pansy Brady does.
And you, my friend of limited intelligence… are just like the normal whiny Pats fan… it’s one of those shift the blame so you look better situations, right? Yeah I know you’re type.
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