Several readers have sent to us the full, 15-minute interview of Patriots coach Bill Belichick by Armen Keteyian of CBS.
Here it is.
One key excerpt that didn’t make it onto the CBS Evening News was Belichick’s assertion, right out of the gates, that “more than one person” had told him that Matt Walsh had claimed that he had videotaped the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI.
“Now that story has changed,” Belichick says. “It seems like he has an agenda.”
This contention meshes with our strongly-held belief that Walsh was the source for the February 2 story in the Boston Herald that the walk-through practice had been taped. So, apparently, Walsh lied to John Tomase of the Herald, and then presumably told the truth to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on May 13.
As to the videotaping of coaching signals, Belichick emphasized that he believed that he read the rules to prohibit the use of video shot in a game during that game. And Belichick insisted that the Pats never used the video during the same game.
Regarding the September 2006 memo, Belichick said that he should have gone to the NFL and asked whether his past approach was still acceptable.
Keteyian then pressed him on the language of the memo, in an exchange that should have made it into the “real” broadcast, but didn’t.
(As to our summary of the excerpt of the interview that aired on Friday night, we based our conclusion that Belichick conceded that he became aware in September 2006 that the practice was against the rules on this narrative statement from Keteyian: “Belichick acknowledged when the rule was clarified by the league in September 2006, outlawing videotaping of any type during a game, he stepped over the line.” Belichick didn’t actually say that; he claimed that he should have sought clarification from the league, and then Keteyian pressed him on whether, given the plain language of the memo, clarification of any kind was needed.)
Belichick’s primary argument in support of his position that they didn’t know the practice violated the rules was that the taping occurred out in the open. But, as we see it, the alleged lack of secrecy doesn’t mean that Belichick believed the tactic was fully within the rules. Perhaps there was no way to covertly tape the signals, and that the better approach was to tell Walsh to do what he did while acting that he was doing something that he was allowed to do.
If, after all, no one complains about it, then there will be no problem. The fact that Walsh wasn’t wearing a trenchcoat and a fake moustache doesn’t mean that the Pats weren’t preparing, if push came to shove, to say that they weren’t doing what they were doing.
Keteyian and Belichick also debated the question of whether the videotaped signals had any real benefit, and Belichick pointed out the reality that the information that was taped was available to anyone in the stadium could have seen the signals that were being taped.
With the benefit of seeing and hearing the full interview, we think that Keteyian did a fair and proper job of grilling Belichick, and that whoever cut the thing together for use on the CBS Evening News might have believed that the end result would make Belichick look good, when in reality it made him look bad.
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:02 am
The Pat’s fans are now saying it ok because “everybody” does it defense.
SHAME ON YOU PATS FANS!!!
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:13 am
“Why didn’t other teams do the same thing? Because other teams DID do the same thing. Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing it. He said Marty Schottenheimer did it. Matt Walsh said he saw the Jets doing it.”
Robo, you miss the point. I am not talking ancient history here. You want to talk about Mr. Mediot Johnson who hasn’t coached in this millenium. What he says about Marty is merely heresay. What did Marty say? Matt Walsh never said he saw the Jets doing it. He said he ‘guessed ‘ they might be doing the same thing as he was doing. He said he ‘guessed’ their camera was aimed at the Pats sideline ( but he didn’t know for sure). Whatever the case, it wasn’t sideline taping - they were up in the stands. One can assume that both Walsh and the Jets were doing legitimate taping in that location. The focus of the cheating allegations is sideline taping.
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:14 am
75% is about average for any team looking at the defense.
You don’t need video for that.
And who did HBO verify that said these things, goodfan?
Did you just make that up?
Why do teams change up signals?
You realize they do, right?
And not just when they play the patriots.
Why would teams do that?
After all, isn’t it impossible to have advance scouts chart signals, legally? That seems to be the contention.
Or are advance scouts some old wives tale like the bogeyman?
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am
goodfan3,
When did Pats fans say it was ok because everyone does it. Belichick did it. Got caught and paid heavily for it. He got the punishment he deserves.
As I said before it is a long fall from a lot of the Patriots haters moral high horse if Specter gets his way and investigates the league. Other teams have taped signals. That really isn’t in dispute at this point. It doesn’t change that the Pats were caught and found guilty of it, but fans of every other team just has to be concerned that their team wasn’t one of the teams that did it and doesn’t have a disgruntled employee come forward in the future if there is an independent investigation of the NFL.
Ironically, the Pats may be one of the safest teams in an independent investigation because they have had an independent investigation against them for about 8 months now (the media have been desperately digging to find new information) and nothing new has come out other than what they were originally punished for other than being accused of playing an IRed player in practice and players scalping Super Bowl tickets.
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:17 am
“Pats fans should be on the NFL now like white on rice.”
…or Harrison on HGH
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Ha Ha Ha…this is hilarious!!! Pats are cheaters and it will always be that way…all Super Bowls should be stripped from the Cheaters!!!! Belichick sucked in Cleveland and figured out the only way he could win was to cheat!!!
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May 17th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Pats fans want this to go away…then tell your cheating coach to quit doing interviews about it.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I love you Pats fans… Calling other fans jealous of your team when someone makes a remark about cheating.. Believing.. Or trying to convince yourselves to believe what Belichick says.. Defending your team by using the rationale that everyone else does it despite the fact that the patriots are the only team in history to get caught doing it. And for the record, even if the Pats were to win the next 10 Super Bowls, I wouldn’t have the tiniest inkling of being jealous of your pathetic team.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I wonder how many of your readers realize that you don’t allow an comments critical of your analysis Florio? What kind of a man spends his days criticizing others but can’t stand for any criticism himself? Don’t answer that. It’s rhetorical. I already know the answer.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
FreeAgentPro,
Marty Schottenheimer stopped coaching two years ago. If Jimmy Johnson is right, who knows if and when Marty stopped the practice of taping defensive signals.
Walsh said he saw the Jets cameraman doing taping the Patriots sidelines. He can’t be 100% sure that he was actually taping defensive signals.
As for ancient history, what consitutes ancient history. Isn’t eight years ago ancient history too?
Live under a rock all you want, but if you don’t think other teams cheated and still probably cheat you are kidding yourself. Head Coaches have million dollars a year jobs on the line with a high turnover rate and the league turning a blind eye on cheating prior to this incident. If they can bend and outright break the rules without any fear of major repercussions, are you going to tell me that all but Belichick went over the line? Of course other teams have cheated probably worse than the Pats.
That doesn’t excuse what the Patriots did. It just states that before people take the moral high ground they better hope the other shoe doesn’t drop and other teams (possibly theirs) aren’t exposed for cheating.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
One short pole in Belichick’s tent:.
Belichick claims they never used tapes during the game they taped. One of the games the Pats got busted for was a Packers game. Packers are in the NFC, Pats AFC. The next chance the Pats would have to use the tape would be 4 years later. The signals would certainly change in 4 years.
There is no reason for the Pats to tape a Packers game unless they were going to use it during that game.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Guess what Pats fans? This ain’t going away and it’s becoming clearer and clearer that BB knew he was breaking the rules by taping signals (ask Goodell), it helped them win superbowls(ask the Patriot players), BB is defensive and arrogant (watch the interview) and that the Patriot’s legacy will forever be tainted (see 1919 Chicago Black Sox). Saying that everyone cheats is a pitifull defense. Tens of thousands of people are murdered in the U.S. every year. Does that make it OK?
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Hey Rob,
Like I told you before, keep your apologistic excuses over at Patsfans.com where “gullible” and “denial” are usually the words of the day. And stop clinging to that feeble Jimmy Johnson argument. I’ve already shot you down on that one. I’ve posted a link to a quote from Marv Levy calling Johnson out multiple times on that bogus comment. Funny how you conveniently ignore it everytime you post about Jimmy Johnson. The FACT is that there is not one single strand of evidence indicating any other team has done what JJ claims. If it was so prevalent there would be tapes poppinup all over the place. LOL.
Funny how just recently Belichick “couldn’t pick Walsh out of a lineup” and now he’s an expert on Walsh’s level of football knowledge amongst other things. Now he’s trying to backtrack all over the place. Truth is Walsh nailed BB to the wall and BB came off like Roger Clemens before Congress. Not only that, he’s completely twisting Walsh’s comments about “strategy and planning” and fabricating others. Walsh never said any of that. LOL. Oh and Billy, it’s obvious you and your staff put quite alot of effort into getting those signals but you claim you didn’t use them? You actually believe the American public is buying that? Please. THREE videographers for tapes you supposedly don’t use? Whatever pal. Oh and credibility? At least Walsh wasn’t out there cheating on his wife with a Giants secretary. Yeah Bill, you’re a real character guy. A cheater both on AND off the field.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
BB couldn’t recognise Walsh but claims he has many tapes of Walsh filming signals? I thought you couldn’t recognise him.
And the memo was sent to all teams BECAUSE of what the Pats were already doing. Let me state that again for the bullheaded Pats fans.
The Memo Was Sent Because Of The Pats.
So he didn’t think what he was doing was wrong?
Keep feeding that crap to the Pats nation, because the rest of us with intellegence are not buying it.
I don’t think the media and public should ever believe anything BB says for here on.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Oh I get it.
Everything Walsh has said is true except for the part of nobody seeing the tape until after the games.
Got it. How very convenient.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Mike,
Let me start off by saying that I have been a Pats fan all my life. That being said there is nothing that Belichick or anyone else in the Patriots can say to change the view of the football fans outside of Boston. They are already have been labeled as cheats.In the eyes of the average football fan the Patriots cheated to win all 3 for their Super Bowls. Sometimes rumor becomes truth and in the Patriots case the horse has already left the barn. This is going to come down to a he/she sais thing.
To the other fans of other teams. It is best to let this just go away because if the Patriots take the fall they will take other teams with them. They have proof of other teams taping signals. That is why the other teams over the spring want this to go away. And if it was jsut the Patriots stealing signals why would the NFL start putting radios in helmets of the Defense now? It alot of money to spend to justprotect the whole league from one team
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
CaptainFantastik,
You mean when I said that Belichick got caught and punished for it and the fact that other teams cheat doesn’t excuse what he did? At least you are admitting you are being gulible and in denial abiut cheating.
Ok, I will leave the Jimmy Johnson argument out of this since you have looked incredibly foolish from the start on this issue. First, you blasted the Pats fans because you were adament that Johnson never admitted to videotaping signals. Then when you were proven wrong, then you just tried to minimize what he said.
As for evidence of videotaping signals by other teams, Belichick did it for six year without getting caught. He only got caught because his former assistant knew what to look for. Doesn’t that pretty much imply that other teams could have been doing it too and not get caught?
Yes, Walsh wasn’t cheating on his wife, he was committing acts of felony. Last time I checked, only Walsh has been accused of committing an actual crime. Belichick reitterated that in the interview. It is time for Walsh to put up or shut up. If he didn’t audiotape Pioli, he has a slamdunk case defamation case vs. the Pats that could win him millions. Unlike Bob Kraft, there isn’t much of a downside to keep this alive for him through a lawsuit. If Walsh doesn’t sue and if he does something to make money off this incident like write a book, the chances of him being guilty of a felony is pretty high.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
“…all Super Bowls should be stripped from the Cheaters!!!! ”
How do you think the fans of the Dolphins, 49ers, and Broncos would feel about that? I think they’d miss their Super Bowl wins, also.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
raidermot,
It has been reported many places that the Patriots were building a book on defensive coordinators and their tendencies. Even if they didn’t face a team for another four years, their coordinator could end up going to a team they face every year (like they seem to do with the Colts) or twice a year.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Raidermot seems to make the only point in this thread that hasn’t been well covered. I believe that the tapes are used for coaching tendencies in later games - I’ve heard journalists speculate as much. So the tape would still have value in that respect as well as a potential super bowl match-up (not sure if GB was good then or not)…
What it comes down to is that the league misplaced the modifying phrase of “during the game” in the Constitution and By Laws up to 2006 (and it is implied that it is still so today). It’s easy to see how Belichick’s interpretation at least up into the memo was 100% right and hence could not be construed as illegal in any way, shape, or form. This would mean that the Super Bowls were all legit and untainted. Any complaints in this area should be directed to the NFL for the writing of the rule in an ambiguous way.
After the memo came out, it’s definitely a lot more murky. There’s no way one can interpret the taping to be legal under those guidelines. Belichick did seem to say that the Constitution and By Laws overrides the memo. That to me is an important point. If the US decided to send a memo to everyone’s house that some of our freedoms (like speech) have changed, doesn’t it have to be amended in the Constitution or Bill of Rights? Or is the memo sufficient enough?
I would hope every US citizen would fight for the Constitution being the final word of the law.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
someone said that walsh cheated on his wife?
Didn’t BB have an affair with a married woman.
What felony did walsh commit? It’s all hersay if you think about it.
The only facts on this case are that BB cheated.
Pats fans need to stop drinking the koolaid.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Roger Goodell does not believe BB.
Now BB is a cheater and liar.
End of Story.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Hadley Rille,
For some reason, people don’t want to acknowledge that other teams have been caught and punished for cheating in the past. It hurts their arguments of making the Patriots the most evil organization in sports history.
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
the fine did not fit the crime..
8 years of cheating and 3 SB’s
a lousy 750k and a draft pick.
Pat’s got off way to easy.
BB should have been suspended for one year. Pats should give one 1st round draft pick to each of the losing SB teams they faced. Pat’s should have paid 8 million dollars total in fines (1 million for every year).
As a football fan I am angry that the NFL left me off the hook so easy. This will not go away until justice is served!!!!
I am starting a website soon and will take this national!!!!!
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May 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Goodfan3, at least try to sound rational rather than taking it absurd levels. Did you read the Constitution and By-Laws? Even the biggest Anti-BB person has to admit that the Patriots could not possibly have cheated prior to 2006 - as videotaping was legal if not used during the playing of the game.
So you have the potential of one season, and zero superbowls to punish at the maximum - and even that is up for debate.
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