Comments on: WALSH TALKS TO THE TIMES, CONFIRMS THAT OTHER TEAMS CHEAT http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:39:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Homeydogg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-31071 Homeydogg Fri, 16 May 2008 23:29:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-31071 The Times interview is the first public description of the Patriots method of cheating. I had been curious to the mechanics of taking the information and creating a usable advantage. To proclaim every other team does it is disingenuous at best. I don't think other coaches could. Maybe the Patriots were more efficient and more intelligent than the average pro football coaching staff. The ability to decipher, analyze and respond to defensive signals in seconds is beyond the capabilities of most staffs. I can't imagine Bill Cowher having enough imagination or intelligence to pull something like that off. The Times interview is the first public description of the Patriots method of cheating. I had been curious to the mechanics of taking the information and creating a usable advantage. To proclaim every other team does it is disingenuous at best. I don’t think other coaches could. Maybe the Patriots were more efficient and more intelligent than the average pro football coaching staff. The ability to decipher, analyze and respond to defensive signals in seconds is beyond the capabilities of most staffs. I can’t imagine Bill Cowher having enough imagination or intelligence to pull something like that off.

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]]> By: Raw Deal http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30886 Raw Deal Fri, 16 May 2008 18:25:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30886 Surprise, surprise! Now, if I could just find a stick to beat on this dead horse..... Surprise, surprise! Now, if I could just find a stick to beat on this dead horse…..

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]]> By: cantgetenough http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30874 cantgetenough Fri, 16 May 2008 18:01:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30874 Matt Walsh is an attention whore. Next he's going to say he's got tapes of signals of some kind from Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton. Matt please stick to video taping Hawaiian tourists' golf swings. Matt Walsh is an attention whore. Next he’s going to say he’s got tapes of signals of some kind from Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton. Matt please stick to video taping Hawaiian tourists’ golf swings.

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]]> By: ayoungandrew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30856 ayoungandrew Fri, 16 May 2008 17:41:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30856 Yes, Mr. Walsh. I'm sure Romeo appreciated (and needed) your help. Can you imagine having this idiot work for you. Yes, Mr. Walsh. I’m sure Romeo appreciated (and needed) your help.

Can you imagine having this idiot work for you.

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]]> By: pdyerosu http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30853 pdyerosu Fri, 16 May 2008 17:39:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30853 Sorry, this comment really has no bearing on the article, other than to make fun of Walsh's grammar... I am glad to hear that they might be playing the same team "months to weeks later." Likewise, I look forward to hearing the latest development in this story days to minutes from now. Sorry, this comment really has no bearing on the article, other than to make fun of Walsh’s grammar… I am glad to hear that they might be playing the same team “months to weeks later.” Likewise, I look forward to hearing the latest development in this story days to minutes from now.

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]]> By: MattR http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30849 MattR Fri, 16 May 2008 17:34:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30849 bushy responded to my post: “Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat?” by saying: I think the statements of Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Mike Ditka and a whole host of others that this is commonplace adds a little weight to the statement. Wouldn’t you say, Matt? Or has Denial crested its banks and flooded your basement? ------------------------------------------------------ None of those people you mention were included in this story. The headline to this post says that Walsh "confirms that other teams cheat". There is absolutely no way you can draw that conclusion from what Walsh said or from what Mike Florio posted. Now if this was a post including all the sources you list and titled "NFL sources confirm other teams cheat" that would be a different matter that could be evaluated on its own merits. But as it stands, Florio's headline is sensationalistic and misleading.. bushy responded to my post: “Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat?”

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I think the statements of Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Mike Ditka and a whole host of others that this is commonplace adds a little weight to the statement. Wouldn’t you say, Matt? Or has Denial crested its banks and flooded your basement?

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None of those people you mention were included in this story. The headline to this post says that Walsh “confirms that other teams cheat”. There is absolutely no way you can draw that conclusion from what Walsh said or from what Mike Florio posted.

Now if this was a post including all the sources you list and titled “NFL sources confirm other teams cheat” that would be a different matter that could be evaluated on its own merits. But as it stands, Florio’s headline is sensationalistic and misleading..

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]]> By: Frank Burns http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30825 Frank Burns Fri, 16 May 2008 17:09:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30825 Rob0769, a Head Coach, says: May 16th, 2008 at 8:08 am Isn’t it funny that people want to Walsh on his word when he says things that can damage the Patriots, but when he points to other teams cheating people want to discredit what he says. ------------------------------------ Think you have that backwards. Pats fans want to discredit Walsh as a thief and liar when it comes to Spygage, but want us to take his word when it comes to this. Rob0769, a Head Coach, says:

May 16th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Isn’t it funny that people want to Walsh on his word when he says things that can damage the Patriots, but when he points to other teams cheating people want to discredit what he says.
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Think you have that backwards. Pats fans want to discredit Walsh as a thief and liar when it comes to Spygage, but want us to take his word when it comes to this.

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]]> By: Frank Burns http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30824 Frank Burns Fri, 16 May 2008 17:07:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30824 Well let's see, Walsh is a proven psychopathic liar as established by Pats apologists, but now we're supposed to believe him about this. Let's quote an article in the NY Times last week, last Sunday's sports section: "The NFL team executive said the Patriots were the subject of most of the accusations discussed in the rules committee's deliberations. 'They were the only team, really," the executive said." Clear enough? Well let’s see, Walsh is a proven psychopathic liar as established by Pats apologists, but now we’re supposed to believe him about this.

Let’s quote an article in the NY Times last week, last Sunday’s sports section:

“The NFL team executive said the Patriots were the subject of most of the accusations discussed in the rules committee’s deliberations.

‘They were the only team, really,” the executive said.”

Clear enough?

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]]> By: SonnyMooks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30783 SonnyMooks Fri, 16 May 2008 16:16:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30783 I think the QB who talked to Walsh was Drew Bledsoe. That said, I got a feeling the other team that was taping was either the Jets when Al Groh was the head coach, or the Jaguars when Tom Coughlin was the coach. I'll have to double check the timelines, but I got a feeling its one of those teams. I think the QB who talked to Walsh was Drew Bledsoe.

That said, I got a feeling the other team that was taping was either the Jets when Al Groh was the head coach, or the Jaguars when Tom Coughlin was the coach.

I’ll have to double check the timelines, but I got a feeling its one of those teams.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30742 wingnut Fri, 16 May 2008 15:24:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30742 There was this one time at band camp... There was this one time at band camp…

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30734 kellyb9 Fri, 16 May 2008 14:57:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30734 @bondem777 - I wouldn't totally ignore this allegation that other teams may cheat just because it didn't come from a fully reliable source. However, he's been nothing but reliable since he's met with Goodell. Obviously, Mangini was able to point a cameraman out during the game who he thought was cheating. So why couldn't the guy who's doing the illegal deed be able to do the same thing? As much as you apparently don't like Fail Cat's comment, he's dead on. This is an occasion where Pandora's box might have been opened, I wonder how many more discruntled employees are out there. @bondem777 - I wouldn’t totally ignore this allegation that other teams may cheat just because it didn’t come from a fully reliable source. However, he’s been nothing but reliable since he’s met with Goodell. Obviously, Mangini was able to point a cameraman out during the game who he thought was cheating. So why couldn’t the guy who’s doing the illegal deed be able to do the same thing? As much as you apparently don’t like Fail Cat’s comment, he’s dead on. This is an occasion where Pandora’s box might have been opened, I wonder how many more discruntled employees are out there.

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]]> By: Footballguy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30692 Footballguy Fri, 16 May 2008 14:14:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30692 LOL at Pats fans STILL grasping for justification... "SEE, Mr Honest MAtt Walsh NIGHT have seen another guy do it... Som the Pats are all good again" ROTFL.. LOL at Pats fans STILL grasping for justification…

“SEE, Mr Honest MAtt Walsh NIGHT have seen another guy do it… Som the Pats are all good again”

ROTFL..

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]]> By: dashoe http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30672 dashoe Fri, 16 May 2008 13:58:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30672 The title should read, "WALSH TALKS TO THE TIMES, CONFIRMS THAT MAYBE ONE OTHER TEAM MIGHT HAVE CHEATED THE SAME WAY THE PATRIOTS WERE CHEATING." Spin it Florio, spin it!!LOL! The title should read, “WALSH TALKS TO THE TIMES, CONFIRMS THAT MAYBE ONE OTHER TEAM MIGHT HAVE CHEATED THE SAME WAY THE PATRIOTS WERE CHEATING.”

Spin it Florio, spin it!!LOL!

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]]> By: enigk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30664 enigk Fri, 16 May 2008 13:50:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30664 Hey, who's this Matt Walsh guy? It sounds like he videotaped something or someone or maybe he didn't? I hate these vague topics that you never hear anything about. Hey, who’s this Matt Walsh guy? It sounds like he videotaped something or someone or maybe he didn’t? I hate these vague topics that you never hear anything about.

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]]> By: John http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30652 John Fri, 16 May 2008 13:39:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30652 zwilson, a Passionate Fan, says: "Joesixpack, Interestiing idea. I think the converse is also true: that Pats fans who have called Walsh a liar will now selectvely believe this story. Good point about the other fans, though. I think you’re right." Pats fans called Walsh a liar because the Herald published a story implying WALSH as the source for having those walkthrough tapes. He obviously taped defensive signals before... that's not the dispute. Spygate was over with until the day before the Superbowl and Walsh was the source. Now that he has immunity and has gone on the record saying he did not tape the walkthrough, the Pat haters are trying to find a spin to keep their small hopes alive that the Patriots will have more punishment. On the other hand, his statement about other teams cheating is just an observation. It doesn't matter how he phrases it to whoever he told it to the bottom line is clear: it is possible that other teams cheat. Moreover, I believe the tapes the Patriots turned over to the league had evidence of other teams doing this and that's why they were destroyed. Think about it: Belichick told the truth about how long they were doing this. He was punished. Why destroy the "evidence?" I'll tell you: because the NFL didn't want to discredit the entire league and have public perception of NFL stars doing charity work be tainted by what corporate America is overflowing with today: whatever it takes to gain a small advantage. Frankly, I love how something as little as taping defensive signals is getting all this attention and when the Broncos were well over the salary cap when they won their two superbowls everyone seems to turn a blind eye. Whatever advantage is gained by taping signals, it's nowhere close to paying top talent what they want so you can beat on other teams who play by the salary cap rule. After all, it does exist so that teams can't put together Pro bowl type packages against teams that don't have as much money. That's what makes the NFL different from MLB and that's why people watch on any given Sunday. zwilson, a Passionate Fan, says:
“Joesixpack,

Interestiing idea. I think the converse is also true: that Pats fans who have called Walsh a liar will now selectvely believe this story.

Good point about the other fans, though. I think you’re right.”

Pats fans called Walsh a liar because the Herald published a story implying WALSH as the source for having those walkthrough tapes. He obviously taped defensive signals before… that’s not the dispute. Spygate was over with until the day before the Superbowl and Walsh was the source. Now that he has immunity and has gone on the record saying he did not tape the walkthrough, the Pat haters are trying to find a spin to keep their small hopes alive that the Patriots will have more punishment.

On the other hand, his statement about other teams cheating is just an observation. It doesn’t matter how he phrases it to whoever he told it to the bottom line is clear: it is possible that other teams cheat. Moreover, I believe the tapes the Patriots turned over to the league had evidence of other teams doing this and that’s why they were destroyed. Think about it: Belichick told the truth about how long they were doing this. He was punished. Why destroy the “evidence?” I’ll tell you: because the NFL didn’t want to discredit the entire league and have public perception of NFL stars doing charity work be tainted by what corporate America is overflowing with today: whatever it takes to gain a small advantage.

Frankly, I love how something as little as taping defensive signals is getting all this attention and when the Broncos were well over the salary cap when they won their two superbowls everyone seems to turn a blind eye. Whatever advantage is gained by taping signals, it’s nowhere close to paying top talent what they want so you can beat on other teams who play by the salary cap rule. After all, it does exist so that teams can’t put together Pro bowl type packages against teams that don’t have as much money. That’s what makes the NFL different from MLB and that’s why people watch on any given Sunday.

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]]> By: brian5 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30642 brian5 Fri, 16 May 2008 13:27:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30642 Did he confirm other teams cheat or say he "thinks" this other team was doing the same thing? Just curious. Did he confirm other teams cheat or say he “thinks” this other team was doing the same thing? Just curious.

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30636 monger Fri, 16 May 2008 13:19:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30636 Wake up people. The rules get broken every single game, that's why the refs carry flags. Sometimes they break the rules on purpose and get away with it. There are no good guys in this whole mess, not the Patsies, not Walsh, not Mangini, not Goodell, not Tomase, not Specter NOT A SINGLE ONE. Time for the slow lingering death to finally be over and get back to football. Wake up people. The rules get broken every single game, that’s why the refs carry flags. Sometimes they break the rules on purpose and get away with it. There are no good guys in this whole mess, not the Patsies, not Walsh, not Mangini, not Goodell, not Tomase, not Specter NOT A SINGLE ONE. Time for the slow lingering death to finally be over and get back to football.

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]]> By: ken13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30632 ken13 Fri, 16 May 2008 13:13:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30632 pakrguru, a Cheerleader, says: May 16th, 2008 at 8:07 am So….Patriots fans say Matt Walsh is lying when he says Bellicheat…errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…..Beeeeeelichick…errrrrr….the Pats coach was directing him to cheat….but he’s definitely telling the truth when he says he saw some other video person taping signals? Typical myopian Patriots fans (again). Actually....the REVERSE is true.....it's the Patriots haters like YOU who now say Walsh is a liar because his stories aren't what YOU want to hear. Personally...I think the guy is a bullshit artists through and through. He has an overinflated sense of self worth and thinks he is more important than he ever is or was. He embellishes everything to make himself seem like a key player...when all he was was a camera guy......he wasn't in team meetings....he didnt have one on one talks with the coaches or coordinators. He simply did his camera work and went home (while pocketing lots of stolen memorabilia). He is not now, nor ever was a credible person. So, while I believe wholeheartedly that every team in the NFL has videotaped signals....I do not put any stock in anything Matt walsh says....even if it backs my opinion. pakrguru, a Cheerleader, says:
May 16th, 2008 at 8:07 am

So….Patriots fans say Matt Walsh is lying when he says Bellicheat…errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…..Beeeeeelichick…errrrrr….the Pats coach was directing him to cheat….but he’s definitely telling the truth when he says he saw some other video person taping signals? Typical myopian Patriots fans (again).

Actually….the REVERSE is true…..it’s the Patriots haters like YOU who now say Walsh is a liar because his stories aren’t what YOU want to hear. Personally…I think the guy is a bullshit artists through and through. He has an overinflated sense of self worth and thinks he is more important than he ever is or was. He embellishes everything to make himself seem like a key player…when all he was was a camera guy……he wasn’t in team meetings….he didnt have one on one talks with the coaches or coordinators. He simply did his camera work and went home (while pocketing lots of stolen memorabilia). He is not now, nor ever was a credible person. So, while I believe wholeheartedly that every team in the NFL has videotaped signals….I do not put any stock in anything Matt walsh says….even if it backs my opinion.

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30616 empty13 Fri, 16 May 2008 12:54:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30616 every team does some of this. no one even cares if the lions try, however. all teams apparently respect or fear the pats. they must feel that they are also to be loved? rotflmao every team does some of this. no one even cares if the lions try, however.

all teams apparently respect or fear the pats. they must feel that they are also to be loved? rotflmao

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]]> By: Fail Cat http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30612 Fail Cat Fri, 16 May 2008 12:49:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30612 Pats Haters, I hope you're all familiar with the concept of pandora's box. If not... you will be. You wanted Walsh. You got Walsh. wah wahhh. Pats Haters,

I hope you’re all familiar with the concept of pandora’s box. If not… you will be.

You wanted Walsh. You got Walsh. wah wahhh.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30596 Rob0769 Fri, 16 May 2008 12:08:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30596 Isn't it funny that people want to Walsh on his word when he says things that can damage the Patriots, but when he points to other teams cheating people want to discredit what he says. Isn’t it funny that people want to Walsh on his word when he says things that can damage the Patriots, but when he points to other teams cheating people want to discredit what he says.

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]]> By: pakrguru http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30594 pakrguru Fri, 16 May 2008 12:07:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30594 So....Patriots fans say Matt Walsh is lying when he says Bellicheat...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....Beeeeeelichick...errrrrr....the Pats coach was directing him to cheat....but he's definitely telling the truth when he says he saw some other video person taping signals? Typical myopian Patriots fans (again). So….Patriots fans say Matt Walsh is lying when he says Bellicheat…errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…..Beeeeeelichick…errrrrr….the Pats coach was directing him to cheat….but he’s definitely telling the truth when he says he saw some other video person taping signals? Typical myopian Patriots fans (again).

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]]> By: Nemesis1942 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30589 Nemesis1942 Fri, 16 May 2008 11:53:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30589 It took 6 months for Matt Walsh and his lawyers to get the NFL to give him "amnesty" from prosecution/being sued. Now with that kind of protection, what's to stop him from saying anything he wants, irregardless whether it's the truth or not? ESPN will put it on the air without researching it at all. This guy's credibility just went out the window. It took 6 months for Matt Walsh and his lawyers to get the NFL to give him “amnesty” from prosecution/being sued. Now with that kind of protection, what’s to stop him from saying anything he wants, irregardless whether it’s the truth or not? ESPN will put it on the air without researching it at all. This guy’s credibility just went out the window.

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]]> By: Travis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30577 Travis Fri, 16 May 2008 11:18:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30577 So other teams cheat? So what! Spygate isn't about the Patriots cheating. It's about the media obsession to destroy Bill Belichick because he has never/ will never suck their media lollipop. Any other team but the Patriots get caught videotaping in the 2nd week of the NFL season and the story is over within a couple of weeks. This isn't about cheating in the NFL. Never has been! This is about media vendetta and agenda. They don't care if other teams cheat and you'll see no attempt by the media to expose it. Doesn't for their agenda. It's all about the media's agenda against Bill Belichick and has been from day one. Don't take my word for it. Just watch as NOBODY in the media atempts to expose the dirty deeds of other teams. So other teams cheat? So what! Spygate isn’t about the Patriots cheating. It’s about the media obsession to destroy Bill Belichick because he has never/ will never suck their media lollipop.
Any other team but the Patriots get caught videotaping in the 2nd week of the NFL season and the story is over within a couple of weeks. This isn’t about cheating in the NFL. Never has been! This is about media vendetta and agenda. They don’t care if other teams cheat and you’ll see no attempt by the media to expose it.
Doesn’t for their agenda.
It’s all about the media’s agenda against Bill Belichick and has been from day one. Don’t take my word for it. Just watch as NOBODY in the media atempts to expose the dirty deeds of other teams.

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]]> By: Casanova http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30555 Casanova Fri, 16 May 2008 08:32:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30555 bondem777, a Passionate Fan, says: May 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm Your headline is misleading: You said Walsh confirms other teams cheat. I wouldn’t call that a confirmation but an opinion based on seeing one guy one time. So now we get the spin from the other fanbases that Walsh is only giving an opinion... So now that other teams other than the Patriots are involved it's speculation, but 2 weeks ago when he supposedly had the Patriots over a barrell, everything that this liar said was gospel. So now he's not "confirming" anything, it's just an "opinion." bondem777, a Passionate Fan, says:

May 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Your headline is misleading: You said Walsh confirms other teams cheat. I wouldn’t call that a confirmation but an opinion based on seeing one guy one time.

So now we get the spin from the other fanbases that Walsh is only giving an opinion… So now that other teams other than the Patriots are involved it’s speculation, but 2 weeks ago when he supposedly had the Patriots over a barrell, everything that this liar said was gospel. So now he’s not “confirming” anything, it’s just an “opinion.”

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]]> By: FreeAgentPro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30546 FreeAgentPro Fri, 16 May 2008 05:56:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30546 Matt Walsh originally told Specter that he didn't tell anyone about the taping by an opponent. Now he says he told Crennel. Which is the truth? ‘The next time we play this team, you may want to change your signals, because I think they’re doing to us what we do to them.’ I guess Matt Walsh didn't think anyone else was cheating like the Pats,so he felt like he had to warn Crennel. So why do people think Walsh says other teams cheat. He suspected one team, and he isn't even sure of that. Matt Walsh originally told Specter that he didn’t tell anyone about the taping by an opponent. Now he says he told Crennel. Which is the truth?

‘The next time we play this team, you may want to change your signals, because I think they’re doing to us what we do to them.’

I guess Matt Walsh didn’t think anyone else was cheating like the Pats,so he felt like he had to warn Crennel. So why do people think Walsh says other teams cheat. He suspected one team, and he isn’t even sure of that.

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]]> By: zwilson http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30539 zwilson Fri, 16 May 2008 05:39:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30539 Joesixpack, Interestiing idea. I think the converse is also true: that Pats fans who have called Walsh a liar will now selectvely believe this story. Good point about the other fans, though. I think you're right. Joesixpack,
Interestiing idea. I think the converse is also true: that Pats fans who have called Walsh a liar will now selectvely believe this story.

Good point about the other fans, though. I think you’re right.

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]]> By: stanjam http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30536 stanjam Fri, 16 May 2008 05:26:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30536 Since Matt Walsh has indicated that at least one other team has done this, and since hr told this to Crennel, should not the league now investigate that team and confiscate all their tapes to look for wrongdoing? Shouldn't they at least ask what team it was and interview Crennel? Should not that team suffer the same fate as the Pats? Or no, should we just let every one else get away with it? There should have been a broader investigation from the beginning! After all, several people (including Johnson) went on record stating that this was a widely held practice. But no, focus it all on the Pats. If somehow there IS an independent investigation, and the teams were not smart enough to destroy all their tapes last year, then we could see a VERY small first round draft next year. Since Matt Walsh has indicated that at least one other team has done this, and since hr told this to Crennel, should not the league now investigate that team and confiscate all their tapes to look for wrongdoing? Shouldn’t they at least ask what team it was and interview Crennel?

Should not that team suffer the same fate as the Pats?

Or no, should we just let every one else get away with it? There should have been a broader investigation from the beginning! After all, several people (including Johnson) went on record stating that this was a widely held practice. But no, focus it all on the Pats.

If somehow there IS an independent investigation, and the teams were not smart enough to destroy all their tapes last year, then we could see a VERY small first round draft next year.

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]]> By: bushy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30533 bushy Fri, 16 May 2008 05:10:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30533 "Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat?" I think the statements of Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Mike Ditka and a whole host of others that this is commonplace adds a little weight to the statement. Wouldn't you say, Matt? Or has Denial crested its banks and flooded your basement? “Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat?”

I think the statements of Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Mike Ditka and a whole host of others that this is commonplace adds a little weight to the statement. Wouldn’t you say, Matt? Or has Denial crested its banks and flooded your basement?

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]]> By: MattR http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30529 MattR Fri, 16 May 2008 04:53:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30529 Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat? Wow. So Matt Walsh saw one person who he believed might be doing the same thing and that is confirmation that other teams (plural) cheat?

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]]> By: bradyswingman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30528 bradyswingman Fri, 16 May 2008 04:53:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30528 Do you think the NY Times or any other reputable media outlet is going to further investigate the 'other' team that might have been taping signals? umm....no Do you think the NY Times or any other reputable media outlet is going to further investigate the ‘other’ team that might have been taping signals?

umm….no

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]]> By: MarkB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30527 MarkB Fri, 16 May 2008 04:52:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30527 Apparently, the NY Times didn't ask who the other team was. Hmmm... Apparently, the NY Times didn’t ask who the other team was. Hmmm…

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30523 Rob0769 Fri, 16 May 2008 04:41:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30523 Of course other teams taped signals from the sidelines. It wasn't like Belichick woke up his first day of work as head coach of the Patriots and said "Hey, it would be a great idea to videotape opposing teams signals, I don't know why no one has ever thought of that." I am not saying that to excuse or deflect what Belichick and Patriots did, but point out to haters that it is a long fall from your high horses. If Specter ever gets his way and there is a Mitchell type investigation, you may not like what is reported about your team. There is too much pressure for head coaches and GMs to win quickly or update their resume for there not to be a lot more cheating going on by other teams than we currently know. When a head coach is fighting to keep his multimillion a year job, do you really think he is going to sacrifice that to keep the letter of the law? Especially when you gotta have a win at all cost attitude to make it to head coach in the NFL. Of course other teams taped signals from the sidelines. It wasn’t like Belichick woke up his first day of work as head coach of the Patriots and said “Hey, it would be a great idea to videotape opposing teams signals, I don’t know why no one has ever thought of that.”

I am not saying that to excuse or deflect what Belichick and Patriots did, but point out to haters that it is a long fall from your high horses. If Specter ever gets his way and there is a Mitchell type investigation, you may not like what is reported about your team.

There is too much pressure for head coaches and GMs to win quickly or update their resume for there not to be a lot more cheating going on by other teams than we currently know. When a head coach is fighting to keep his multimillion a year job, do you really think he is going to sacrifice that to keep the letter of the law? Especially when you gotta have a win at all cost attitude to make it to head coach in the NFL.

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]]> By: bushy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30517 bushy Fri, 16 May 2008 04:24:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30517 Interesting that in the interview the NEW YORK Times didn't ask (or asked but didn't publish) the name of the other team because it sounds exactly like the incident Walsh described to Specter the other day that involved the NEW YORK Jets. ;-) Interesting that in the interview the NEW YORK Times didn’t ask (or asked but didn’t publish) the name of the other team because it sounds exactly like the incident Walsh described to Specter the other day that involved the NEW YORK Jets. ;-)

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]]> By: Manofsteel http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30515 Manofsteel Fri, 16 May 2008 04:12:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30515 As much as I feel this thing is getting ridiculous, I would want to know if the Steelers were doing the same thing. The truth hurts but atleast I would know. :( I would also like the league to start their own video dept. And only allow teams to use league sanctioned videos when preparing their game plans. As much as I feel this thing is getting ridiculous,
I would want to know if the Steelers were doing the
same thing. The truth hurts but atleast I would know. :(

I would also like the league to start their own video dept.
And only allow teams to use league sanctioned videos when preparing their game plans.

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]]> By: GrandWorks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30514 GrandWorks Fri, 16 May 2008 04:10:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30514 that is pretty much why I don't care about this at all...there is no way that they are the only team in the NFL that cheated in the past decade. In this way, in some other way. that is pretty much why I don’t care about this at all…there is no way that they are the only team in the NFL that cheated in the past decade. In this way, in some other way.

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]]> By: Nos20 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30511 Nos20 Fri, 16 May 2008 04:00:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30511 This just won't die. This just won’t die.

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]]> By: Bradybunch http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30507 Bradybunch Fri, 16 May 2008 03:55:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30507 OOOOOOOO...The spooky man calls out another team that CHEATS! OOOOO...It better not be a haters fravorite team. Because I've read soooo many times in these posts about how "MINE TEAM WOULD NEVER CHEAT" comments. Or would you then say "Walsh is full of crap!" Think about it. You have time to chose what side of the fence to stand on. WALSH GO HOME!!!!! OOOOOOOO…The spooky man calls out another team that CHEATS! OOOOO…It better not be a haters fravorite team. Because I’ve read soooo many times in these posts about how “MINE TEAM WOULD NEVER CHEAT” comments. Or would you then say “Walsh is full of crap!” Think about it. You have time to chose what side of the fence to stand on. WALSH GO HOME!!!!!

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]]> By: bondem777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30505 bondem777 Fri, 16 May 2008 03:54:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30505 Your headline is misleading: You said Walsh confirms other teams cheat. I wouldn't call that a confirmation but an opinion based on seeing one guy one time. Your headline is misleading: You said Walsh confirms other teams cheat. I wouldn’t call that a confirmation but an opinion based on seeing one guy one time.

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30504 JoeSixPack Fri, 16 May 2008 03:51:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30504 Now let's sit back and watch as all the fans who declared Walsh a credible source who were in denial about other teams cheating, say that he's full of Sh*t. Of course, they were also in denial when Jimmy Johnson admitted he did the same thing as the Patriots and that other teams did it as well And they were also in denial when the Lee Groscup article re-surfaced from 1967 detailing cheating going back to 1955. http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html I say let it all come out - let Specter uncover all the cheating in the league so everyone knows its been an even playing field all along. Now let’s sit back and watch as all the fans who declared Walsh a credible source who were in denial about other teams cheating, say that he’s full of Sh*t.

Of course, they were also in denial when Jimmy Johnson admitted he did the same thing as the Patriots and that other teams did it as well

And they were also in denial when the Lee Groscup article re-surfaced from 1967 detailing cheating going back to 1955.

http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

I say let it all come out - let Specter uncover all the cheating in the league so everyone knows its been an even playing field all along.

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]]> By: Brad http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30501 Brad Fri, 16 May 2008 03:48:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30501 but.....but.....the superbowls are tainted . theres no way my favorite team could be taping signals. and if they were, its obvious they weren't used in the same game! belichick kills puppies, and deserves to be executed at the hands of bill polian!!! but…..but…..the superbowls are tainted . theres no way my favorite team could be taping signals. and if they were, its obvious they weren’t used in the same game! belichick kills puppies, and deserves to be executed at the hands of bill polian!!!

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]]> By: Space Bandito http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30498 Space Bandito Fri, 16 May 2008 03:41:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30498 Notice he said 3rd video guy. Video is simply a part of the game. It sounds like the signals were NOT the most important part. -- Also can we get a better "witness" than Walsh. He hasn't worked for any team in years and does not sound like the most trustworthy person. Notice he said 3rd video guy. Video is simply a part of the game. It sounds like the signals were NOT the most important part.

– Also can we get a better “witness” than Walsh. He hasn’t worked for any team in years and does not sound like the most trustworthy person.

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]]> By: MaineMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30496 MaineMan Fri, 16 May 2008 03:37:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/walsh-talks-to-the-times-confirms-that-other-teams-cheat/#comment-30496 Well! I am <em>shocked</em> to hear that other teams may have been taping defensive signals! Simply SHOCKED!! Obviously, it wasn't the Lions. Their videographer hasn't figured out that he needs to take the lens cap off first. Well! I am shocked to hear that other teams may have been taping defensive signals! Simply SHOCKED!!

Obviously, it wasn’t the Lions. Their videographer hasn’t figured out that he needs to take the lens cap off first.

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