Comments on: MATT WALSH SPEAKS TO HBO http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:29:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30481 PFTiswhatitis Fri, 16 May 2008 02:30:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30481 Subzero: you right ESPN does not totally suck and here is some evidence that they can still be logical when they arent going off on tangents: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3394809 Subzero: you right ESPN does not totally suck and here is some evidence that they can still be logical when they arent going off on tangents: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3394809

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30476 subzero2401 Fri, 16 May 2008 02:07:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30476 First of all, espnsux, ESPN does not suck...second, why all the anger and rage pats fans? It's almost as if the patriot nation forgot that Belichick cheated. You have no one to blame but the "genius" himself. That organization will be dragged through the mud for years to come. First of all, espnsux, ESPN does not suck…second, why all the anger and rage pats fans? It’s almost as if the patriot nation forgot that Belichick cheated. You have no one to blame but the “genius” himself. That organization will be dragged through the mud for years to come.

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]]> By: meanguy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30474 meanguy Fri, 16 May 2008 01:53:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30474 "So who in the media has asked this sage Walsh to name the guy from the other team standing next to him with a camera doing “the same thing as me.” He straight out tells the NYTimes that at one game he stood right next to a camera man from another team who was taping signals and no one, NO ONE with any journalistic integrity wants to know what team that videographer was from? I bet all you haters are praying that guy wasn’t from YOUR team! If anyone ever does have the balls to ask, I would hope that team would be fined the same amount and would become the object of all of your hatred. Oh wait, then he will be the liar and source without credibility that Pats fans say he is, right?" lol. it's patriot fans who are calling this guy a liar. so if he's a liar, then why should we believe him? is he a liar or isn't he patriot fans? the reason the patriots are getting punished is because they defied a direct order to stop doing the taping, long after walsh was fired. this other team was cheating too, let's find out who it is, but is it possible they didn't have the balls to keep doing it after the memo from goodell? seems possible only belichick would have the arrogance to keep doing it in defiance of the league. that's the real issue here patriot whiners. “So who in the media has asked this sage Walsh to name the guy from the other team standing next to him with a camera doing “the same thing as me.” He straight out tells the NYTimes that at one game he stood right next to a camera man from another team who was taping signals and no one, NO ONE with any journalistic integrity wants to know what team that videographer was from? I bet all you haters are praying that guy wasn’t from YOUR team! If anyone ever does have the balls to ask, I would hope that team would be fined the same amount and would become the object of all of your hatred. Oh wait, then he will be the liar and source without credibility that Pats fans say he is, right?”

lol. it’s patriot fans who are calling this guy a liar. so if he’s a liar, then why should we believe him? is he a liar or isn’t he patriot fans?

the reason the patriots are getting punished is because they defied a direct order to stop doing the taping, long after walsh was fired. this other team was cheating too, let’s find out who it is, but is it possible they didn’t have the balls to keep doing it after the memo from goodell?

seems possible only belichick would have the arrogance to keep doing it in defiance of the league. that’s the real issue here patriot whiners.

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30437 JoeSixPack Thu, 15 May 2008 23:40:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30437 catesinator - we need to make you an honorary Patsfan! Yes - as you pointed out, consistent with what Belichick had told the commissioner, he never used any of the video made in the games they were made in. They were used later on for analysis, just as the Dolphins and other teams admit they have done. So you are absolutely correct - Belichick, Jimmy Johnson, and the other coaches who engaged in the same or similar practices WERE smart enough to see that there was a gaping loophole in the NFL rules. And of course not even the NFL attempts to deny that the rule was unclear - that's why they clarified it in 2006. Now if you're talking post 2006? I agree with you. But I don't think we need to insult people's intelligence by explaining why a 2006 rule wasn't relevant in 2001. I guess another analogy would be, suppose you were a team employee and another team had an open walk through before a big game, and wasn't smart enough to close it to non-team members. Would you close your eyes and not watch? Of course not. Yet apparently some would call that cheating. catesinator - we need to make you an honorary Patsfan!

Yes - as you pointed out, consistent with what Belichick had told the commissioner, he never used any of the video made in the games they were made in. They were used later on for analysis, just as the Dolphins and other teams admit they have done.

So you are absolutely correct - Belichick, Jimmy Johnson, and the other coaches who engaged in the same or similar practices WERE smart enough to see that there was a gaping loophole in the NFL rules. And of course not even the NFL attempts to deny that the rule was unclear - that’s why they clarified it in 2006.

Now if you’re talking post 2006? I agree with you. But I don’t think we need to insult people’s intelligence by explaining why a 2006 rule wasn’t relevant in 2001.

I guess another analogy would be, suppose you were a team employee and another team had an open walk through before a big game, and wasn’t smart enough to close it to non-team members. Would you close your eyes and not watch? Of course not. Yet apparently some would call that cheating.

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]]> By: Hadley Rille http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30418 Hadley Rille Thu, 15 May 2008 22:52:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30418 "The 2000-2007 Patriots = Total joke. They make a mockery of sportsmanship and fair play. Their legacy is forever tarnished. " Envy is certainly an ugly emotion. That's one thing the cadre of obsessive commenters has demonstrated on this site over the last few months. “The 2000-2007 Patriots = Total joke. They make a mockery of sportsmanship and fair play. Their legacy is forever tarnished. ”

Envy is certainly an ugly emotion. That’s one thing the cadre of obsessive commenters has demonstrated on this site over the last few months.

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]]> By: espnsux http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30358 espnsux Thu, 15 May 2008 21:24:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30358 So who in the media has asked this sage Walsh to name the guy from the other team standing next to him with a camera doing "the same thing as me." He straight out tells the NYTimes that at one game he stood right next to a camera man from another team who was taping signals and no one, NO ONE with any journalistic integrity wants to know what team that videographer was from? I bet all you haters are praying that guy wasn't from YOUR team! If anyone ever does have the balls to ask, I would hope that team would be fined the same amount and would become the object of all of your hatred. Oh wait, then he will be the liar and source without credibility that Pats fans say he is, right? So who in the media has asked this sage Walsh to name the guy from the other team standing next to him with a camera doing “the same thing as me.” He straight out tells the NYTimes that at one game he stood right next to a camera man from another team who was taping signals and no one, NO ONE with any journalistic integrity wants to know what team that videographer was from? I bet all you haters are praying that guy wasn’t from YOUR team! If anyone ever does have the balls to ask, I would hope that team would be fined the same amount and would become the object of all of your hatred. Oh wait, then he will be the liar and source without credibility that Pats fans say he is, right?

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]]> By: spyboots http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30304 spyboots Thu, 15 May 2008 20:41:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30304 Pats fans, quit directing your anger at everyone except the person who is to blame, your "so-called genious" cheating coach. Pats fans, quit directing your anger at everyone except the person who is to blame, your “so-called genious” cheating coach.

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]]> By: moxiejkk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30296 moxiejkk Thu, 15 May 2008 20:26:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30296 I just want to point out that the secrecy involved in this taping operation doesn't necessarily mean that people are knowingly doing wrong. What is extremely important to this kind of scouting operation is that the other team is unaware. If the opposing team finds out, then the film then becomes useless. I just want to point out that the secrecy involved in this taping operation doesn’t necessarily mean that people are knowingly doing wrong. What is extremely important to this kind of scouting operation is that the other team is unaware. If the opposing team finds out, then the film then becomes useless.

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]]> By: cantgetenough http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30265 cantgetenough Thu, 15 May 2008 19:58:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30265 Maybe we can move on from Matt Walsh and get to real NFL news like rookie free agents getting cut, 3rd string quarterback's mama's making quilts, etc. Maybe we can move on from Matt Walsh and get to real NFL news like rookie free agents getting cut, 3rd string quarterback’s mama’s making quilts, etc.

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]]> By: Jeremiah W http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30260 Jeremiah W Thu, 15 May 2008 19:52:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30260 The reason they have no one to blame but themselves is they would have got away with it completely, if only they had stopped cheating in 2006 when they were called out and "reminded" of the rules behind the scenes. The information had to be so valuable that it was worth risking the reputation, and testing the new Commish even after his warning. Look how hard it has been to get the truth or a witness about what was admited to. The reason they have no one to blame but themselves is they would have got away with it completely, if only they had stopped cheating in 2006 when they were called out and “reminded” of the rules behind the scenes.

The information had to be so valuable that it was worth risking the reputation, and testing the new Commish even after his warning.

Look how hard it has been to get the truth or a witness about what was admited to.

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]]> By: tkebean http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30241 tkebean Thu, 15 May 2008 19:06:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30241 At least he and spectar are still trying to get the truth out. I think there are a lot of fans out there who want to know how deeply through the league these practices run. Goodell obviously has ulterior motives and is trying to get this wrapped up as quickly as possible (to keep his league from being tainted). For him to go back 5 or 6 years and question the validity of SB wins, would just drag the league through the mud with cheating accusations coming from every direction. Whether it's found out that the whole league was cheating or not, a la Barry Bonds and the steriods era, anytime there's talk of the Pats past few SB wins, or crazy talk of them being a dynasty, there now should always be an asterisk attached for the cheating era. At least he and spectar are still trying to get the truth out. I think there are a lot of fans out there who want to know how deeply through the league these practices run. Goodell obviously has ulterior motives and is trying to get this wrapped up as quickly as possible (to keep his league from being tainted). For him to go back 5 or 6 years and question the validity of SB wins, would just drag the league through the mud with cheating accusations coming from every direction.

Whether it’s found out that the whole league was cheating or not, a la Barry Bonds and the steriods era, anytime there’s talk of the Pats past few SB wins, or crazy talk of them being a dynasty, there now should always be an asterisk attached for the cheating era.

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]]> By: bushy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30239 bushy Thu, 15 May 2008 19:03:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30239 "repeated the story told by Arlen Specter about a quarterback telling him that tapes he made of Tampa’s defensive signals resulted in Drew Bledsoe being told the correct defense he was about to face 75% of the time during a 2000 game." And yet Bledsoe only threw for 190 yards and got sacked 6 times in that game. So without the info he throws for 48 and gets sacked 24 times? (Actually, that does sound a little like Drew.) “repeated the story told by Arlen Specter about a quarterback telling him that tapes he made of Tampa’s defensive signals resulted in Drew Bledsoe being told the correct defense he was about to face 75% of the time during a 2000 game.”

And yet Bledsoe only threw for 190 yards and got sacked 6 times in that game. So without the info he throws for 48 and gets sacked 24 times? (Actually, that does sound a little like Drew.)

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]]> By: meanguy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30238 meanguy Thu, 15 May 2008 19:01:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30238 "But we can trust him NOW, right?" so in your opinion, who's telling the truth here? from my vantage point, it doesn't seem like you can trust anyone involved in this. they're all lying. the patriots likely did more cheating than what they got punished for and belichick has been lying about this since day one. goodell is just looking to end this as quickly as possible rather than finding out what really went on. walsh may or may not be telling the complete truth, but he does seem to know what he's talking about. attacking him doesn't change what the patriots did. seems to me that patriots fans are using him as a strawman with the notion that tearing walsh down somehow puts the patriots in a more favorable light. i don't think the patriots should be punished further, but rather than killing walsh, your anger should really be directed at belichick who brazenly defied a memo clearly outlining that what they were doing was considered cheating. they got caught. whether walsh does or does not have a tape does not change that. whether walsh got all the facts straight about a game that happened years ago doesn't change that. stop whining and just deal with it. “But we can trust him NOW, right?”

so in your opinion, who’s telling the truth here? from my vantage point, it doesn’t seem like you can trust anyone involved in this. they’re all lying.

the patriots likely did more cheating than what they got punished for and belichick has been lying about this since day one.

goodell is just looking to end this as quickly as possible rather than finding out what really went on.

walsh may or may not be telling the complete truth, but he does seem to know what he’s talking about. attacking him doesn’t change what the patriots did. seems to me that patriots fans are using him as a strawman with the notion that tearing walsh down somehow puts the patriots in a more favorable light.

i don’t think the patriots should be punished further, but rather than killing walsh, your anger should really be directed at belichick who brazenly defied a memo clearly outlining that what they were doing was considered cheating. they got caught. whether walsh does or does not have a tape does not change that. whether walsh got all the facts straight about a game that happened years ago doesn’t change that.

stop whining and just deal with it.

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]]> By: catesinator http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30234 catesinator Thu, 15 May 2008 18:56:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30234 Joesixpack - What about Walsh's statements is so incredulous? The Patriots admitted to illegally taping opposing team's defensive signals for almost a decade. The tapes produced show a fairly elaborate editing process that took someone quite a bit of time to do. You don't spend all that time and energy into doing something if you don't plan on using that information. The only way to use that information is to let the offensive coordinator and starting QB what the defensive play is. There are only a couple of people on the sideline that are patched in to the QB helmet and O-Coordinator, which makes the backup QB the perfect person to decipher the defensive signals and relay that info to the proper personnel. In 2000 and 2001 guess who that person would have been? Walsh might be a scoundrel, but his general story is backed up by the Pats and the tapes. In a court of law that would make him a pretty credible witness. Will you attempt to argue that the "smartest" head coach in the NFL doesn't understand a league memo handed out right before the season that explicitely states what he's doing is wrong? Joesixpack - What about Walsh’s statements is so incredulous? The Patriots admitted to illegally taping opposing team’s defensive signals for almost a decade. The tapes produced show a fairly elaborate editing process that took someone quite a bit of time to do. You don’t spend all that time and energy into doing something if you don’t plan on using that information. The only way to use that information is to let the offensive coordinator and starting QB what the defensive play is. There are only a couple of people on the sideline that are patched in to the QB helmet and O-Coordinator, which makes the backup QB the perfect person to decipher the defensive signals and relay that info to the proper personnel. In 2000 and 2001 guess who that person would have been?

Walsh might be a scoundrel, but his general story is backed up by the Pats and the tapes. In a court of law that would make him a pretty credible witness. Will you attempt to argue that the “smartest” head coach in the NFL doesn’t understand a league memo handed out right before the season that explicitely states what he’s doing is wrong?

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]]> By: Kidekk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30232 Kidekk Thu, 15 May 2008 18:55:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30232 Mr. Relevant Irrelevant strikes again! Mr. Relevant Irrelevant strikes again!

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]]> By: ayoungandrew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30228 ayoungandrew Thu, 15 May 2008 18:51:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30228 "repeated the story told by Arlen Specter about a quarterback telling him that tapes he made of Tampa’s defensive signals resulted in Drew Bledsoe being told the correct defense he was about to face 75% of the time during a 2000 game." This game was the first time the Patriots faced the Bucs under Belichick. So.......what tapes exactly were they relying upon to steal signals. This is such a ridiculous story. “repeated the story told by Arlen Specter about a quarterback telling him that tapes he made of Tampa’s defensive signals resulted in Drew Bledsoe being told the correct defense he was about to face 75% of the time during a 2000 game.”

This game was the first time the Patriots faced the Bucs under Belichick. So…….what tapes exactly were they relying upon to steal signals. This is such a ridiculous story.

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]]> By: TerpEagle http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30227 TerpEagle Thu, 15 May 2008 18:48:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30227 So Bill Belicheck, an egomaniac who limits what members of his team say to the press, is not fully aware of the employees who work for him? Maybe if this was the guy who sold beer in the 400 level or the woman who worked 11-7 at the ticket booth he could make this argument. But this guy was taping teams for Belicheck and his coaches to use to prepare for games. He didn't know who he was? Please. And you can talk about the integrity of Matt Walsh, but isn't Belicheck also the guy who was in court regarding a relationship with a woman on his staff? So maybe he didn't know who Walsh was because he was neglecting his wife. So Bill Belicheck, an egomaniac who limits what members of his team say to the press, is not fully aware of the employees who work for him? Maybe if this was the guy who sold beer in the 400 level or the woman who worked 11-7 at the ticket booth he could make this argument.

But this guy was taping teams for Belicheck and his coaches to use to prepare for games. He didn’t know who he was? Please.

And you can talk about the integrity of Matt Walsh, but isn’t Belicheck also the guy who was in court regarding a relationship with a woman on his staff? So maybe he didn’t know who Walsh was because he was neglecting his wife.

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]]> By: thxkbye http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30223 thxkbye Thu, 15 May 2008 18:43:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30223 I wonder where Ken Lay and Enron would be today if they were allowed to perform there own internal investigation and then tell the world the results. What a joke Goodell is, the Senator is doing the right thing. Football is a multi-billion dollar industry, take them down senator! Take them down to china town! I wonder where Ken Lay and Enron would be today if they were allowed to perform there own internal investigation and then tell the world the results. What a joke Goodell is, the Senator is doing the right thing. Football is a multi-billion dollar industry, take them down senator! Take them down to china town!

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]]> By: PhillyRocks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30221 PhillyRocks Thu, 15 May 2008 18:39:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30221 Oh, boy. As I said all along. Look the Patbackers are running and trying to make everybody is a lie's but the pats. LOL, all too funny. Keep squirming. Oh, boy. As I said all along.

Look the Patbackers are running and trying to make everybody is a lie’s but the pats. LOL, all too funny. Keep squirming.

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]]> By: Tex Big Balls http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30204 Tex Big Balls Thu, 15 May 2008 17:55:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30204 Tainted. The Patriots need further punishment. Tainted.
The Patriots need further punishment.

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]]> By: Patrick http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30202 Patrick Thu, 15 May 2008 17:44:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30202 Sure doesn't seem like Roger Goodell has the NFL's best interest in mind anymore...or at least the whole league's Sure doesn’t seem like Roger Goodell has the NFL’s best interest in mind anymore…or at least the whole league’s

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30201 JoeSixPack Thu, 15 May 2008 17:43:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30201 Well, let's see. Walsh lies about his background on his official golf pro site, lied about his background and experience in another pre-Spygate news story, illegally made secret tapes of conversations with his colleagues, and apparently lied to members of the media off the record that he had tapes of the Rams walk through. So we're assuming he's gotten all the lying out of his system and is now a trustworthy source, right? Well maybe not - apparently he's also told Specter - and Specter passed along the comments of this "fine young man" in Senate floor speech, that he also witnessed taping after he was fired as he was a season ticket holder and saw team personnel taping at game against Pittsburgh. Unfortunately for Walsh he got caught in another lie as that game wasn't played in Foxoboro - it was played on the road. But we can trust him NOW, right? Well, let’s see. Walsh lies about his background on his official golf pro site, lied about his background and experience in another pre-Spygate news story, illegally made secret tapes of conversations with his colleagues, and apparently lied to members of the media off the record that he had tapes of the Rams walk through.

So we’re assuming he’s gotten all the lying out of his system and is now a trustworthy source, right?

Well maybe not - apparently he’s also told Specter - and Specter passed along the comments of this “fine young man” in Senate floor speech, that he also witnessed taping after he was fired as he was a season ticket holder and saw team personnel taping at game against Pittsburgh.

Unfortunately for Walsh he got caught in another lie as that game wasn’t played in Foxoboro - it was played on the road.

But we can trust him NOW, right?

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]]> By: Dan1919 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30198 Dan1919 Thu, 15 May 2008 17:38:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30198 How come HBO didnt ask Walsh what he got fired for? How come HBO didnt ask Walsh what he got fired for?

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]]> By: rcaron336 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30197 rcaron336 Thu, 15 May 2008 17:38:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30197 Is Walsh getting paid by HBO for this interview? The agreement between Walsh, the NFL, and the Patriots protects him against lawsuits but what about when he goes on HBO? If Walsh says something on HBO that he did not cover with Goodell or Specter, does he open himself up for defamation lawsuit? Is Walsh getting paid by HBO for this interview?

The agreement between Walsh, the NFL, and the Patriots protects him against lawsuits but what about when he goes on HBO? If Walsh says something on HBO that he did not cover with Goodell or Specter, does he open himself up for defamation lawsuit?

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]]> By: LiveNBreath Football http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30193 LiveNBreath Football Thu, 15 May 2008 17:31:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30193 Just because the wife buys a Christmas gift for a staff member does not mean the boss knows who you are. It's called being a good boss. Belicheck probably gave his wife a list of staffers and said "Buy gifts for these people." The name was stuck on the gift and then handed out by someone. I doubt Belicheck even knew how many names were on the list, let alone matching names to faces. Now its the QB who has nothing better to do than talk to the lowest guy on the totem pole about how the tapes are used? Just because the wife buys a Christmas gift for a staff member does not mean the boss knows who you are. It’s called being a good boss. Belicheck probably gave his wife a list of staffers and said “Buy gifts for these people.” The name was stuck on the gift and then handed out by someone. I doubt Belicheck even knew how many names were on the list, let alone matching names to faces.

Now its the QB who has nothing better to do than talk to the lowest guy on the totem pole about how the tapes are used?

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]]> By: Noriega http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30191 Noriega Thu, 15 May 2008 17:23:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30191 I have an issue with Walsh's statements. Why would he say he kept the tapes to show future employers his caliber of work if the work he was doing was wrong? This issue is not done and I have a feeling there will be a Patriots side to Matt Walsh's story. Why was he fired? Why did he wait to talk if he had no non-disclosure agreement? I have an issue with Walsh’s statements. Why would he say he kept the tapes to show future employers his caliber of work if the work he was doing was wrong?

This issue is not done and I have a feeling there will be a Patriots side to Matt Walsh’s story. Why was he fired? Why did he wait to talk if he had no non-disclosure agreement?

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]]> By: wpelletier http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30188 wpelletier Thu, 15 May 2008 17:21:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30188 He also talked to the Times and Washington Post today. Mr. Walsh needs to shut his yap before he shows inconsistency and finds himself the new victim. He also talked to the Times and Washington Post today. Mr. Walsh needs to shut his yap before he shows inconsistency and finds himself the new victim.

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]]> By: mrmagoo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30187 mrmagoo Thu, 15 May 2008 17:17:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30187 By destroying the evidence and declaring the case closed, the NFL created an appearance of covering their own rear when total transparency would be the easiest way for this to really fade into the night. Truer words have never been spoken. By destroying the evidence and declaring the case closed, the NFL created an appearance of covering their own rear when total transparency would be the easiest way for this to really fade into the night.

Truer words have never been spoken.

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]]> By: Mike D http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30186 Mike D Thu, 15 May 2008 17:17:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30186 Who cares? You're 15 minutes of fame are over pal - go away. I'm tired of hearing about this crap. And this is coming from a devout Pats hater..... Who cares? You’re 15 minutes of fame are over pal - go away. I’m tired of hearing about this crap. And this is coming from a devout Pats hater…..

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]]> By: All Pro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30183 All Pro Thu, 15 May 2008 17:16:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30183 If your opponent knows 75% of your plays before the ball is snapped, you're going to lose. I don't care if you're playing the Little Sisters of the Poor - you're going to lose. If your opponent knows 75% of your plays before the ball is snapped, you’re going to lose. I don’t care if you’re playing the Little Sisters of the Poor - you’re going to lose.

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]]> By: cantgetenough http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30173 cantgetenough Thu, 15 May 2008 17:03:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30173 Maybe Walsh will be on Hard Knocks too. Or maybe he already has footage of the Cowboys that HBO can use. Everyone's looking to save a buck these days. Maybe Walsh will be on Hard Knocks too. Or maybe he already has footage of the Cowboys that HBO can use. Everyone’s looking to save a buck these days.

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]]> By: dlmcc0202 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30169 dlmcc0202 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30169 Well its not like anyone bought Belichik's story that he misinterpreted the rules anyway. I wish this story would go away, and im not even a Patriots fan. Enough is enough with this. Jay Fiedler came out and said the Dolphins used to steal signals as well and you know what? The Dolphins were always terrible when he was the QB anyway. Does it provide that much of an advantage? The Patriots have been a stacked team for a while now anyway, I don't think they won much more because they were stealing signals. You still have to make the throws, catch the ball etc. If the Dolphins were doing it im sure other teams were as well. There are other things wrong with the NFL that poeople should worry about (steroids, guys getting arrested constantly, Eric Mangini's man boobs) Well its not like anyone bought Belichik’s story that he misinterpreted the rules anyway. I wish this story would go away, and im not even a Patriots fan. Enough is enough with this. Jay Fiedler came out and said the Dolphins used to steal signals as well and you know what? The Dolphins were always terrible when he was the QB anyway. Does it provide that much of an advantage? The Patriots have been a stacked team for a while now anyway, I don’t think they won much more because they were stealing signals. You still have to make the throws, catch the ball etc. If the Dolphins were doing it im sure other teams were as well. There are other things wrong with the NFL that poeople should worry about (steroids, guys getting arrested constantly, Eric Mangini’s man boobs)

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]]> By: Demons87 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30166 Demons87 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:52:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30166 Ironically 2000 was the teams worst offense in the Bledsoe era. Couldn't have helped that much. Ironically 2000 was the teams worst offense in the Bledsoe era. Couldn’t have helped that much.

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]]> By: mcrowell http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30157 mcrowell Thu, 15 May 2008 16:40:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30157 anybody know what bledsoe's numbers were that day? anybody know what bledsoe’s numbers were that day?

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]]> By: TCLARK http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30154 TCLARK Thu, 15 May 2008 16:39:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30154 So according to Matt Walsh, Drew Bledsoe was a border line Hall of famer before he knew 75% of the defenses plays, and a sub par QB when he knew what 75% of defensive plays? (Some of the younger readers may be unaware of Drew Bledsoe 94-2000 was arguably a top 5 QB.)As a matter of fact, Post spygate Brady has better #'s as well. (Better WR's also.) Ultimatly, It's a shame that Walsh will profit from this, and that this story is close to a year old. Can't we just play football? So according to Matt Walsh, Drew Bledsoe was a border line Hall of famer before he knew 75% of the defenses plays, and a sub par QB when he knew what 75% of defensive plays? (Some of the younger readers may be unaware of Drew Bledsoe 94-2000 was arguably a top 5 QB.)As a matter of fact, Post spygate Brady has better #’s as well. (Better WR’s also.)
Ultimatly, It’s a shame that Walsh will profit from this, and that this story is close to a year old. Can’t we just play football?

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]]> By: juxtapoz15 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30153 juxtapoz15 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:38:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30153 And do you seriously think any players or staff members would be telling a lowly video assistant anything of value. I'm sure the Pats are just as tight lipped around their own staff as they are around the media. And do you seriously think any players or staff members would be telling a lowly video assistant anything of value. I’m sure the Pats are just as tight lipped around their own staff as they are around the media.

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]]> By: hypnocoach183 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30152 hypnocoach183 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:38:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30152 I'm curious as to why no one is mentioning that this is a disgruntled former by the organization he's now speaking out on. It's not like this guy doesn't have an axe to grind over being fired by the Patriot's...does it? Look, the Pat's broke the rules, were caught, and punished. The part that I don't understand is why Matt Walsh's word is being taken as gospel an no one is playing devil's advocate regarding his credibility. In such an alleged wide spread clandestine activity that supposedly over many years you'd think there would be other people speaking out or to be witnesses to support Walsh's claims. Whole situation seems to border on lunacy with the imbalance in coverage. I’m curious as to why no one is mentioning that this is a disgruntled former by the organization he’s now speaking out on. It’s not like this guy doesn’t have an axe to grind over being fired by the Patriot’s…does it?
Look, the Pat’s broke the rules, were caught, and punished. The part that I don’t understand is why Matt Walsh’s word is being taken as gospel an no one is playing devil’s advocate regarding his credibility. In such an alleged wide spread clandestine activity that supposedly over many years you’d think there would be other people speaking out or to be witnesses to support Walsh’s claims. Whole situation seems to border on lunacy with the imbalance in coverage.

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]]> By: juxtapoz15 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30151 juxtapoz15 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:37:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30151 Walsh's contention that Bledsoe knew the correct defense 75% of the time is complete BS. Coaches change their signals between games and in between halfs. Why do you think defensive coordinators cover their mouths when the give a radio signal? Because they know the other team is watching! To not change signals would be idiotic since it is LEGAL to have people on the sidelines diagramming your calls. Walsh’s contention that Bledsoe knew the correct defense 75% of the time is complete BS. Coaches change their signals between games and in between halfs. Why do you think defensive coordinators cover their mouths when the give a radio signal? Because they know the other team is watching! To not change signals would be idiotic since it is LEGAL to have people on the sidelines diagramming your calls.

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]]> By: ronry http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30148 ronry Thu, 15 May 2008 16:36:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30148 His 15 minutes are up. Go away. This story is tired and boring. His 15 minutes are up. Go away. This story is tired and boring.

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]]> By: raiderguy10 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30147 raiderguy10 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:35:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30147 Mike, Please STOP giving this guy attention. I absolutely love your site, and I visit 20-25 times a day. I can't take it any more. You are turning his 15 minutes into months, and by exposing this you are giving him exactly what he wanted. This won't go away until it stops being talked about. I hate the Pats as much as anyone (Snow Bowl B.S. will never be forgetten in Raider Nation) but this is ridiculous. Let the poor bastard go back to Hawaii to never be heard from again. Mike,

Please STOP giving this guy attention. I absolutely love your site, and I visit 20-25 times a day. I can’t take it any more. You are turning his 15 minutes into months, and by exposing this you are giving him exactly what he wanted. This won’t go away until it stops being talked about. I hate the Pats as much as anyone (Snow Bowl B.S. will never be forgetten in Raider Nation) but this is ridiculous. Let the poor bastard go back to Hawaii to never be heard from again.

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]]> By: Thunderbolt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30145 Thunderbolt Thu, 15 May 2008 16:32:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30145 A *quarterback* told him, eh? I suppose we pretty much all knew anyway that Tom Brady had benefited from these tapes one way or another, but if a *quarterback* on the 2000 Patriots team not named Drew Bledsoe told him about it (and that's the definite impression one gets reading the ProJo blog) the options are John Friesz, Michael Bishop, or Brady. If it was Tom Brady, then we go from just strongly believing that Brady benefited from the cheating to having proof that he did. Suddenly, the NFL's Golden Boy (TM) has some questions to answer before we all change the rules so he can be elected into the Hall of Fame before he even retires. A *quarterback* told him, eh? I suppose we pretty much all knew anyway that Tom Brady had benefited from these tapes one way or another, but if a *quarterback* on the 2000 Patriots team not named Drew Bledsoe told him about it (and that’s the definite impression one gets reading the ProJo blog) the options are John Friesz, Michael Bishop, or Brady.

If it was Tom Brady, then we go from just strongly believing that Brady benefited from the cheating to having proof that he did. Suddenly, the NFL’s Golden Boy (TM) has some questions to answer before we all change the rules so he can be elected into the Hall of Fame before he even retires.

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]]> By: boundiali http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30141 boundiali Thu, 15 May 2008 16:29:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30141 So in 2000 preseason, the Buccaneers (playing the team that they would face two weeks later in the season opener) ran enough of their regular season defense so that the Patriots could then identify 75% of the plays? So in 2000 preseason, the Buccaneers (playing the team that they would face two weeks later in the season opener) ran enough of their regular season defense so that the Patriots could then identify 75% of the plays?

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]]> By: All Pro http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30140 All Pro Thu, 15 May 2008 16:28:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30140 Walsh makes a good point. Goodell was saying that Walsh had no new information before he even spoke with Walsh. What is up with that? Walsh makes a good point. Goodell was saying that Walsh had no new information before he even spoke with Walsh. What is up with that?

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]]> By: footballnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30137 footballnut Thu, 15 May 2008 16:25:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30137 Wasn't that game against Tampa a whitewash? By Tampa? Again, this helps even further that defensive signals and knowing what the defense is going to do 75% of the time seems to not always help. Granted, Bledsoe was on his decline, but still I hear the argument that's why Brady is so good. Of course the NFL is covering this up, now that Specter wants to dig deeper we're now going to see various ways of every team in how they try to cheat, gain a competitive advantage, etc. He says he's looking out for the fans and basically just like the steriod garbage it's going to hit for a bit, then die away like everything else. You're right Florio, it's funny how no one seems to care that the Niners and Broncos cheated, er gained a competitive advantage with salary cap fudging...I guess you're really only cheating if you're vidoe taping signals. If the Pats only won Super Bowls by video taping help, then why didn't it help in the 05, 06 seasons? The Pats were downed before they even got to the title game in those seasons. Maybe they didn't use Memorex tapes, who knows... Wasn’t that game against Tampa a whitewash? By Tampa? Again, this helps even further that defensive signals and knowing what the defense is going to do 75% of the time seems to not always help.

Granted, Bledsoe was on his decline, but still I hear the argument that’s why Brady is so good.

Of course the NFL is covering this up, now that Specter wants to dig deeper we’re now going to see various ways of every team in how they try to cheat, gain a competitive advantage, etc. He says he’s looking out for the fans and basically just like the steriod garbage it’s going to hit for a bit, then die away like everything else.

You’re right Florio, it’s funny how no one seems to care that the Niners and Broncos cheated, er gained a competitive advantage with salary cap fudging…I guess you’re really only cheating if you’re vidoe taping signals.

If the Pats only won Super Bowls by video taping help, then why didn’t it help in the 05, 06 seasons? The Pats were downed before they even got to the title game in those seasons. Maybe they didn’t use Memorex tapes, who knows…

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]]> By: CanadaRaider http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30135 CanadaRaider Thu, 15 May 2008 16:24:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30135 I'm no Patriots hater (Although did enjoy Giants beating them), and could care less on how and when they cheated but the fact that the tapes were destroyed is intriguing. Any smart lawyer, prosecuter, judge, know not to destroy any type of evidence of any kind and this is no different. Goodell had to have been hiding something. My thought is the original investigation on Belichick and the Patriots was not thorough enough. If Belichick was dumb ass enough to cheat, how can he be trusted to be truthful to Goodell? Goodell should have had people like Walsh and other personnel part of the investigation. His failure to do so is coming back to haunt him. There's just too many coincidences and contradictions to put this issue to bed. It's sad that it had to come to this, but as we all say...What comes around, goes around! I’m no Patriots hater (Although did enjoy Giants beating them), and could care less on how and when they cheated but the fact that the tapes were destroyed is intriguing. Any smart lawyer, prosecuter, judge, know not to destroy any type of evidence of any kind and this is no different. Goodell had to have been hiding something. My thought is the original investigation on Belichick and the Patriots was not thorough enough. If Belichick was dumb ass enough to cheat, how can he be trusted to be truthful to Goodell? Goodell should have had people like Walsh and other personnel part of the investigation. His failure to do so is coming back to haunt him. There’s just too many coincidences and contradictions to put this issue to bed. It’s sad that it had to come to this, but as we all say…What comes around, goes around!

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30133 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 15 May 2008 16:22:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30133 SO now Walsh is going ont he interview circuit? The thing is we KNOW he is being for this interview so he had better have something to say. However when put under the scrutiny of the NFL questioning he didnt have quite so much to say? I'm not saying I don't believe him but clearly he lied to the Herald and the Times so how much of what he says should we believe? SO now Walsh is going ont he interview circuit? The thing is we KNOW he is being for this interview so he had better have something to say. However when put under the scrutiny of the NFL questioning he didnt have quite so much to say? I’m not saying I don’t believe him but clearly he lied to the Herald and the Times so how much of what he says should we believe?

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]]> By: empty13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30132 empty13 Thu, 15 May 2008 16:21:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30132 yeah but someone's ox would have really been gored then, and real nastiness would have consumed the whole season. so, instead, the wagons were circled, a token meaningless non-sacrifice was conducted, and back to business as usual. happens in the workplace too. trust me. yeah but someone’s ox would have really been gored then, and real nastiness would have consumed the whole season. so, instead, the wagons were circled, a token meaningless non-sacrifice was conducted, and back to business as usual.

happens in the workplace too. trust me.

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]]> By: Butterfingers_Brisby http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30129 Butterfingers_Brisby Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30129 Yeah alot of good knowing 75% of the plays, the Patriots LOST the game that day 21-16! And 7 of the points came on a punt return for a touchdown. Who is the bigger moron - Specter for keeping this thing alive or Drew Bledsoe for knowing "75% of the plays" and still sucking in the game? Yeah alot of good knowing 75% of the plays, the Patriots LOST the game that day 21-16! And 7 of the points came on a punt return for a touchdown. Who is the bigger moron - Specter for keeping this thing alive or Drew Bledsoe for knowing “75% of the plays” and still sucking in the game?

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]]> By: CaneJet http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30122 CaneJet Thu, 15 May 2008 16:07:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30122 In a couple of year's we'll see Matt Walsh in a celebrity boxing match vs. Gary Coleman or Danny Pintauro. In a couple of year’s we’ll see Matt Walsh in a celebrity boxing match vs. Gary Coleman or Danny Pintauro.

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]]> By: catesinator http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30121 catesinator Thu, 15 May 2008 16:06:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/matt-walsh-going-on-hbo/#comment-30121 Hmmmm I wonder what backup quarterback for Drew Bledsoe Walsh is describing? Doesn't take a very smart man to figure out the golden boy isn't as pristine as he's made out to be. Hmmmm I wonder what backup quarterback for Drew Bledsoe Walsh is describing? Doesn’t take a very smart man to figure out the golden boy isn’t as pristine as he’s made out to be.

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