Comments on: ANOTHER WIN FOR THE PATS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:59:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: clsmarathon http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30608 clsmarathon Fri, 16 May 2008 12:31:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30608 Wow, just took my Contracts exam two weeks ago. Thanks for helping me re-live it. Wow, just took my Contracts exam two weeks ago. Thanks for helping me re-live it.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30456 wingnut Fri, 16 May 2008 00:28:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30456 It Was A Fumble. -Charles Woodson It Was A Fumble.

-Charles Woodson

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]]> By: winkel33 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30424 winkel33 Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30424 mitigation does not apply in all situations - just because you recovered from some other way, or can, doesn't give someone the right to just break or violate a contract. I don't know about this exact ruling, but to play devil's advocate, had the court ruled against the Patriots, it basically would allow any ticket holder of any team with a large fan base, to break any contract they signed, because obviously the team could always mitigate. It would make contract terms for season ticket holders worthless. mitigation does not apply in all situations - just because you recovered from some other way, or can, doesn’t give someone the right to just break or violate a contract. I don’t know about this exact ruling, but to play devil’s advocate, had the court ruled against the Patriots, it basically would allow any ticket holder of any team with a large fan base, to break any contract they signed, because obviously the team could always mitigate. It would make contract terms for season ticket holders worthless.

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]]> By: moonbeam http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30419 moonbeam Thu, 15 May 2008 22:53:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30419 hey mike,you sitting on the sideline in this debate is compleately wrong.being an attorney,you should step forward and shed some light on the dos and don'ts of contract law. when you enter a contract,it is assumed that uphold it. a contract is made to be upheld not disregarded. the guy that lost the suit in court has no recourse,he did not live up to his end of the bargin i.e. contract. why do people portray the guy who violated the contract as a victim?i don't get it.the way some of these people are reacting to the verdict,you would think robert kraft went over to their homes and stole their children's food. my god!!! hey mike,you sitting on the sideline in this debate
is compleately wrong.being an attorney,you should
step forward and shed some light on the dos and don’ts
of contract law.
when you enter a contract,it is assumed that uphold it.
a contract is made to be upheld not disregarded.
the guy that lost the suit in court has no recourse,he
did not live up to his end of the bargin i.e. contract.
why do people portray the guy who violated the contract
as a victim?i don’t get it.the way some of these people
are reacting to the verdict,you would think robert kraft
went over to their homes and stole their children’s food.
my god!!!

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]]> By: besfeel http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30405 besfeel Thu, 15 May 2008 22:32:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30405 God must be a pats fan... God is Great! God must be a pats fan… God is Great!

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30385 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 15 May 2008 21:57:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30385 Jeremiah W, a Head Coach, says: May 15th, 2008 at 5:44 pm Who would want to be a fan of this team right now anyway? That is why they sued him, because they are going to be worth a little less now that the Cheatriots don’t have the super signal stealing system edge. Can’t the guy just sell the tickets himself instead of paying for nothing? Boo. --------- As far as selling the tickets himself, those seats, being Premium Seats in the Club section sell for a significant amount of money. I believe his were in the area that costs $15k per year for 4 seats. Even if the Pats let him sell them, I doubt he'd be able to sell them all and make his money back. The regular seats are priced reasonable like normal tickets to any sporting event but the Premium Seats are very expensive. They were designed to pay for the Stadium over the course of 10 years (to cover the 10 year loan). As per the rest, You call them Cheatriots I call you Hatriots. Where does that get us? Will we ever get over the childish instigating BS on this blog? Jeremiah W, a Head Coach, says:

May 15th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Who would want to be a fan of this team right now anyway?
That is why they sued him, because they are going to be worth a little less now that the Cheatriots don’t have the super signal stealing system edge.
Can’t the guy just sell the tickets himself instead of paying for nothing?
Boo.
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As far as selling the tickets himself, those seats, being Premium Seats in the Club section sell for a significant amount of money. I believe his were in the area that costs $15k per year for 4 seats.
Even if the Pats let him sell them, I doubt he’d be able to sell them all and make his money back.
The regular seats are priced reasonable like normal tickets to any sporting event but the Premium Seats are very expensive. They were designed to pay for the Stadium over the course of 10 years (to cover the 10 year loan).
As per the rest, You call them Cheatriots I call you Hatriots. Where does that get us? Will we ever get over the childish instigating BS on this blog?

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]]> By: Facts Dominio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30374 Facts Dominio Thu, 15 May 2008 21:45:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30374 Another win? When the truth shows that the franchise is the biggest embarassenment in the history of the National Football League. When the quarterback shows his true colors as a cry baby about media coverage? When your "genius" coach is shown as just a dirty cheating liar? Only some misinformed homer would feel that this week was a week of wins. Another win?

When the truth shows that the franchise is the biggest embarassenment in the history of the National Football League.

When the quarterback shows his true colors as a cry baby about media coverage?

When your “genius” coach is shown as just a dirty cheating liar?

Only some misinformed homer would feel that this week was a week of wins.

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]]> By: Jeremiah W http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30373 Jeremiah W Thu, 15 May 2008 21:44:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30373 Who would want to be a fan of this team right now anyway? That is why they sued him, because they are going to be worth a little less now that the Cheatriots don't have the super signal stealing system edge. Can't the guy just sell the tickets himself instead of paying for nothing? Boo. Who would want to be a fan of this team right now anyway?

That is why they sued him, because they are going to be worth a little less now that the Cheatriots don’t have the super signal stealing system edge.

Can’t the guy just sell the tickets himself instead of paying for nothing?

Boo.

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]]> By: JaguarsSunday http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30354 JaguarsSunday Thu, 15 May 2008 21:20:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30354 Karma dear Patriots...Karma Karma dear Patriots…Karma

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30337 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 15 May 2008 21:08:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30337 VeggieBurgher, a Passionate Fan, says: May 15th, 2008 at 4:57 pm This is classless. The fans are the whole reason these owners make so much money, and yet they are going to stick this guy for liquidated damages when they could have easily re-sold these tickets to one of the gazillion people on the season ticket waiting list? Shameless. And this is on Kraft, no one else. Just to clarify the facts, these are Club Seats and are considered Premium Seating (Club Level and Luxury Boxes are included). There is no waiting list for Premium Seats but there seems to be a steady stream of interest. I am sure that they could have and probably did find a buyer eventually. VeggieBurgher, a Passionate Fan, says:

May 15th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
This is classless. The fans are the whole reason these owners make so much money, and yet they are going to stick this guy for liquidated damages when they could have easily re-sold these tickets to one of the gazillion people on the season ticket waiting list? Shameless. And this is on Kraft, no one else.

Just to clarify the facts, these are Club Seats and are considered Premium Seating (Club Level and Luxury Boxes are included). There is no waiting list for Premium Seats but there seems to be a steady stream of interest. I am sure that they could have and probably did find a buyer eventually.

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]]> By: Kotite http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30330 Kotite Thu, 15 May 2008 21:03:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30330 I cannot see how this is a win for the Pats. Most teams don't even offer a 10 year option because they know the likelihood of someone even being able to afford such a plan consistently is not good. What if he loses his job or gets hit by a train? What if he dies? Are they gonna sue his surviving family? So they make a public stink (as if they are the victim ~ as if they are hurting for cash) that openly screws the little guy and makes them look even more heartless and cold than they already do. This is not a good PR move at all. I cannot see how this is a win for the Pats. Most teams don’t even offer a 10 year option because they know the likelihood of someone even being able to afford such a plan consistently is not good. What if he loses his job or gets hit by a train? What if he dies? Are they gonna sue his surviving family? So they make a public stink (as if they are the victim ~ as if they are hurting for cash) that openly screws the little guy and makes them look even more heartless and cold than they already do. This is not a good PR move at all.

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]]> By: VeggieBurgher http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30323 VeggieBurgher Thu, 15 May 2008 20:57:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30323 This is classless. The fans are the whole reason these owners make so much money, and yet they are going to stick this guy for liquidated damages when they could have easily re-sold these tickets to one of the gazillion people on the season ticket waiting list? Shameless. And this is on Kraft, no one else. This is classless. The fans are the whole reason these owners make so much money, and yet they are going to stick this guy for liquidated damages when they could have easily re-sold these tickets to one of the gazillion people on the season ticket waiting list? Shameless. And this is on Kraft, no one else.

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]]> By: Vox Veritas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30317 Vox Veritas Thu, 15 May 2008 20:46:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30317 That brings the list of Pats fans that were fans prior to 2000 down to 4! That brings the list of Pats fans that were fans prior to 2000 down to 4!

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30313 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 15 May 2008 20:45:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30313 MarkB, a Passionate Fan, says: May 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm As a matter of practice, if they don’t enforce their rights under contract now, when they have a waiting list for season ticket sales, how could they enforce it later, when Brady is gone and they’re in the cellar again? Can I break an apartment lease just because the landlord can find another tenant in a tight housing market? So much for mitigation damages. That is correct and it further stops other Premium Ticket holders from abandoning their contracts thinking they will just lose their security deposits (still a significant amount). The guy apparently never intended to meet the obligations of the contract given that he abandoned it after the first year. However, the Pats certainly could have worked with him to transfer the seats to someone that was willing to pay for them. The fact that they are taking the hard position says that they either wanted to send a message and set a precedent or they are just bullies. MarkB, a Passionate Fan, says:

May 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
As a matter of practice, if they don’t enforce their rights under contract now, when they have a waiting list for season ticket sales, how could they enforce it later, when Brady is gone and they’re in the cellar again? Can I break an apartment lease just because the landlord can find another tenant in a tight housing market? So much for mitigation damages.

That is correct and it further stops other Premium Ticket holders from abandoning their contracts thinking they will just lose their security deposits (still a significant amount). The guy apparently never intended to meet the obligations of the contract given that he abandoned it after the first year. However, the Pats certainly could have worked with him to transfer the seats to someone that was willing to pay for them. The fact that they are taking the hard position says that they either wanted to send a message and set a precedent or they are just bullies.

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]]> By: svnrdr http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30300 svnrdr Thu, 15 May 2008 20:34:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30300 Doesn't that make the Patriots 22-1? Doesn’t that make the Patriots 22-1?

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]]> By: billsftw http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30298 billsftw Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30298 how is this a good week. Walsh came out and blatantly said the entire organization has been video taping and showing him how to not get caught. Not to mention the shame the patriots have brought to the NFL through the daily lying about not knowing who Mat Walsh is. It seems with the Patriots you guys have already started defending them when there isn't anything to defend. They have no honor with ANY of their wins and destroyed the games reputation with their constant weekly/yearly/decade cheating. This is pathetic. how is this a good week. Walsh came out and blatantly said the entire organization has been video taping and showing him how to not get caught. Not to mention the shame the patriots have brought to the NFL through the daily lying about not knowing who Mat Walsh is. It seems with the Patriots you guys have already started defending them when there isn’t anything to defend. They have no honor with ANY of their wins and destroyed the games reputation with their constant weekly/yearly/decade cheating. This is pathetic.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30294 PFTiswhatitis Thu, 15 May 2008 20:25:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30294 I was goign to send you an email today to ask what happened with that case! The result and judgement sucks and shame on the Pats for forcing the guy to pay it. I was goign to send you an email today to ask what happened with that case! The result and judgement sucks and shame on the Pats for forcing the guy to pay it.

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]]> By: bluedoctor http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30289 bluedoctor Thu, 15 May 2008 20:23:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30289 Why did the dude buy tickets he couldn't afford? Why did the dude buy tickets he couldn’t afford?

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]]> By: MarkB http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30279 MarkB Thu, 15 May 2008 20:17:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30279 As a matter of practice, if they don't enforce their rights under contract now, when they have a waiting list for season ticket sales, how could they enforce it later, when Brady is gone and they're in the cellar again? Can I break an apartment lease just because the landlord can find another tenant in a tight housing market? So much for mitigation damages. As a matter of practice, if they don’t enforce their rights under contract now, when they have a waiting list for season ticket sales, how could they enforce it later, when Brady is gone and they’re in the cellar again? Can I break an apartment lease just because the landlord can find another tenant in a tight housing market? So much for mitigation damages.

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]]> By: PhillyRocks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30278 PhillyRocks Thu, 15 May 2008 20:14:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30278 It means that not only are they getting $65,000, they also get to resell the tickets on top of it. The IRS should get involved for double dipping. There has to be a offical misconduct in there somewhere. It means that not only are they getting $65,000, they also get to resell the tickets on top of it. The IRS should get involved for double dipping. There has to be a offical misconduct in there somewhere.

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]]> By: thxkbye http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30273 thxkbye Thu, 15 May 2008 20:07:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30273 PFT. Patriot Football Talk.com Florio, you collecting checks from Kraft? PFT. Patriot Football Talk.com

Florio, you collecting checks from Kraft?

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30269 kellyb9 Thu, 15 May 2008 20:02:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30269 wow... that might help pay 1/86th of Brady's weekly salary.... wow… that might help pay 1/86th of Brady’s weekly salary….

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30268 monger Thu, 15 May 2008 20:00:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/15/another-win-for-the-pats/#comment-30268 What the hell does all that mean, and why should I care? What the hell does all that mean, and why should I care?

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