Comments on: WALSH HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE OF CHEATING http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:50:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: bradtor777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-29070 bradtor777 Wed, 14 May 2008 02:32:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-29070 The next meaningful words from the mouth of golf pro Matt Walsh will be the following: "Fore!" The next meaningful words from the mouth of golf pro Matt Walsh will be the following:

“Fore!”

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]]> By: wafoster http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28880 wafoster Tue, 13 May 2008 22:24:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28880 What?! Walsh has tapes of the San Diego Chargers Chearleaders? Where can I get a hold of them? Ron Burgandy Seriously, this whole soap opera is out of control. Walsh waited over 100 days only to reveal he is a ticket scalper? And the Boston Herald betrayed the Patriots the day of the Super Bowl based on heresay? If Gossip and Slander are sin! ESPN and the Boston Herald are on the fast track to Hell. What?! Walsh has tapes of the San Diego Chargers Chearleaders? Where can I get a hold of them?

Ron Burgandy

Seriously, this whole soap opera is out of control. Walsh waited over 100 days only to reveal he is a ticket scalper? And the Boston Herald betrayed the Patriots the day of the Super Bowl based on heresay?

If Gossip and Slander are sin! ESPN and the Boston Herald are on the fast track to Hell.

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28875 subzero2401 Tue, 13 May 2008 22:11:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28875 What do the pats and O.J. Simpson have in common? Both were guilty but got away with fines and relative slaps on their wrists. What do the pats and O.J. Simpson have in common? Both were guilty but got away with fines and relative slaps on their wrists.

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]]> By: ken13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28762 ken13 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:37:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28762 <>> Yankeemofo, thank you for posting this FACT...I have been saying this for months, but the "haters" refuse to look at this FACT....cause it doesn't suit their need to call the Patriots "cheaters". <>>

Yankeemofo, thank you for posting this FACT…I have been saying this for months, but the “haters” refuse to look at this FACT….cause it doesn’t suit their need to call the Patriots “cheaters”.

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]]> By: ken13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28761 ken13 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:33:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28761 bc_22, a Cheerleader, once again....please...pay attention....let your hate simmer...and try to look at the FACTS.......every team in the NFL taped defensive signals up until 2006, when the NFL sent out a memo to the league telling everyone to stop. Then, prior to the 2007 season, they sent out another memo to once again remind every team that it was not allowed. Prior to that...every team did it and there was no rule stating they couldn't. Are we clear on that now? Yes, the Patriots did do it again in 2007 and they were in fact hit hard with penalties for doing so.....and rightly so......whether thru "misinterpreting the rule" or by being arrogant and thinking they could get away with it.....but the fact is...every team did it prior to 2006(and many still did it afterwards too), but the Patriots ignored the memo in 2007 and got penalized. There...I hope that clears it up once and for all for those of you who just can't see thru the haze in your eyes. bc_22, a Cheerleader, once again….please…pay attention….let your hate simmer…and try to look at the FACTS…….every team in the NFL taped defensive signals up until 2006, when the NFL sent out a memo to the league telling everyone to stop. Then, prior to the 2007 season, they sent out another memo to once again remind every team that it was not allowed. Prior to that…every team did it and there was no rule stating they couldn’t. Are we clear on that now? Yes, the Patriots did do it again in 2007 and they were in fact hit hard with penalties for doing so…..and rightly so……whether thru “misinterpreting the rule” or by being arrogant and thinking they could get away with it…..but the fact is…every team did it prior to 2006(and many still did it afterwards too), but the Patriots ignored the memo in 2007 and got penalized. There…I hope that clears it up once and for all for those of you who just can’t see thru the haze in your eyes.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28755 PFTiswhatitis Tue, 13 May 2008 19:22:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28755 bc_22: No haters eh? Are you living in a hole in the desert? bc_22: No haters eh? Are you living in a hole in the desert?

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]]> By: yankeemofo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28751 yankeemofo Tue, 13 May 2008 19:18:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28751 People, people PEOPLE!!! "All these years of cheating"..."Over a decade of cheating"..."A team with a history of cheating"... These are false statements that are being flung around carelessly. The rule was not amended until 2006. Anything that happened before then was not "cheating". It was not against the rules!!! Let's not forget also the Pats matched up very well against the Rams that year. The last loss the Pats had before they won 9 in a row in '01 was a 24-17 regular season loss to the Rams. The Pats should've won THAT game, too!!! People, people PEOPLE!!!

“All these years of cheating”…”Over a decade of cheating”…”A team with a history of cheating”…

These are false statements that are being flung around carelessly. The rule was not amended until 2006. Anything that happened before then was not “cheating”. It was not against the rules!!!

Let’s not forget also the Pats matched up very well against the Rams that year. The last loss the Pats had before they won 9 in a row in ‘01 was a 24-17 regular season loss to the Rams. The Pats should’ve won THAT game, too!!!

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]]> By: bc_22 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28749 bc_22 Tue, 13 May 2008 19:14:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28749 PFTiswhatitis , I am sorry to disappoint you, but there is no hating going on here. They were punished for breaking the rules of the game, that IS cheating. They are the only one team ever in the NFL that has been branded as such. The Pats are cheaters. They broke the rules from 2000 to 2007. It is a sad affair. However, the excuse people use that "other people do it", or to find solace in someone or some organization being as "wrong" as the Pats through their own rules violations, is even more pathetic. The whole thing is sad and defending it is even sadder. PFTiswhatitis , I am sorry to disappoint you, but there is no hating going on here. They were punished for breaking the rules of the game, that IS cheating. They are the only one team ever in the NFL that has been branded as such. The Pats are cheaters. They broke the rules from 2000 to 2007. It is a sad affair. However, the excuse people use that “other people do it”, or to find solace in someone or some organization being as “wrong” as the Pats through their own rules violations, is even more pathetic.
The whole thing is sad and defending it is even sadder.

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]]> By: dharrrster http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28727 dharrrster Tue, 13 May 2008 18:40:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28727 You patriots sheep are really amusing...it is so naive to think the NFL unfairly punished the Patriots and wanted this to become such a huge story so that questions would be risen as to the legitimacy of this dynasty who practiced this for the better part of a decade. The EVIDENCE was destroyed you morons, the NFL tried desperately to sweep this under the rug and not cause further embarrassment. Now why would they do that? Destroy all evidence and then, 9 months later, tell the public only some of what they knew. Oh and this garbage about every other team in the league doing this..what evidence has come out that suggests this? Sure, they might get a birds eye view of the game from the press box, but they aren't filming defensive signals from less than a 100 yards away. The subversion and secrecy of this story was unprecedented, Goodell made a fool out of himself today.Of course he is going to side with the Pats to prevent further questions of the integrity of the game you idiots. Yes the only thing they did wrong was film from the wrong location, sure thing sheep. The league most certainly didnt uncover any damning evidence to suggest they were up to more than whats been revealed, because if they would have, they would have tried to brush it under the rug and consequently drag this story out for almost a year. Oh wait, thats exactly what happened. You patriots sheep are really amusing…it is so naive to think the NFL unfairly punished the Patriots and wanted this to become such a huge story so that questions would be risen as to the legitimacy of this dynasty who practiced this for the better part of a decade. The EVIDENCE was destroyed you morons, the NFL tried desperately to sweep this under the rug and not cause further embarrassment. Now why would they do that? Destroy all evidence and then, 9 months later, tell the public only some of what they knew. Oh and this garbage about every other team in the league doing this..what evidence has come out that suggests this? Sure, they might get a birds eye view of the game from the press box, but they aren’t filming defensive signals from less than a 100 yards away.

The subversion and secrecy of this story was unprecedented, Goodell made a fool out of himself today.Of course he is going to side with the Pats to prevent further questions of the integrity of the game you idiots.
Yes the only thing they did wrong was film from the wrong location, sure thing sheep. The league most certainly didnt uncover any damning evidence to suggest they were up to more than whats been revealed, because if they would have, they would have tried to brush it under the rug and consequently drag this story out for almost a year. Oh wait, thats exactly what happened.

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]]> By: Fail Cat http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28715 Fail Cat Tue, 13 May 2008 18:27:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28715 Picture the Dukes of Hazard sheriff stomping on his hat in cartoonish anger. That's my impression of every Pats hater right now. Haw Haw. Picture the Dukes of Hazard sheriff stomping on his hat in cartoonish anger.

That’s my impression of every Pats hater right now. Haw Haw.

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]]> By: ken13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28713 ken13 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28713 Kate773 I think I love you LOL Keep posting baby...you are killing me :) Kate773 I think I love you LOL Keep posting baby…you are killing me :)

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]]> By: ken13 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28711 ken13 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:23:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28711 LOL.....classic...now the "haters" are saying Matt walsh was paid off by the NFL or the Patriots.....the grassy knoll lives!!! Classic...can't wait for the next theory Here's my theory "paycents" = moron. I have videotape of "paycents" peeing his pants.........oh wait....no I don't.....but he did it...trust me........believe me...he did it. LOL…..classic…now the “haters” are saying Matt walsh was paid off by the NFL or the Patriots…..the grassy knoll lives!!! Classic…can’t wait for the next theory
Here’s my theory “paycents” = moron. I have videotape of “paycents” peeing his pants………oh wait….no I don’t…..but he did it…trust me……..believe me…he did it.

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]]> By: Kidekk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28705 Kidekk Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28705 Wow, this must be a sad day at ESPN. Now they have to spend all of their time trying to make the Boston Herald look bad in order to cover for all of the hype they put behind the story of the Pats cheating. I would like to see if any analysts who were blasting the Pats actually apologize, but they likely won't. Most of those guys are all a bunch of frontrunners. It's gotten to the point where I HATE watching any NFL programming on ESPN. I like John Clayton and Mort though since all they mainly do is relay facts. Wow, this must be a sad day at ESPN. Now they have to spend all of their time trying to make the Boston Herald look bad in order to cover for all of the hype they put behind the story of the Pats cheating. I would like to see if any analysts who were blasting the Pats actually apologize, but they likely won’t. Most of those guys are all a bunch of frontrunners. It’s gotten to the point where I HATE watching any NFL programming on ESPN. I like John Clayton and Mort though since all they mainly do is relay facts.

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]]> By: Jeremiah W http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28694 Jeremiah W Tue, 13 May 2008 18:07:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28694 The guy Harrison allegedly got in a fight with and was later shot possibly with his gun, is not dead and is not pressing charges against Harrison, so far. The NFL does like to spin stories a certian way, like focusing on what was not on the tapes as opposed to what was. Focusing on the Jets game and not the entire 7 years of "mis interpreting" the rules. The guy Harrison allegedly got in a fight with and was later shot possibly with his gun, is not dead and is not pressing charges against Harrison, so far.

The NFL does like to spin stories a certian way, like focusing on what was not on the tapes as opposed to what was. Focusing on the Jets game and not the entire 7 years of “mis interpreting” the rules.

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]]> By: Tecumseh http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28684 Tecumseh Tue, 13 May 2008 17:55:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28684 Did Belichick use videotaping improperly? Sure. Are the Colts harboring a murderer? Perhaps. Which one of these two should be the headline grabber? What you are seeing is a well played PR campaign to redirect attention from the substantial negative press that NFL players (not on the Pats, mind you) have been generating lately by focusing on a non-story about video taping. It seems to be working well. Belichick continues to be demonized, and Harrison has yet to appear for a single interview to answer for his role in a murder, and the injury of a child. Look behind the curtain, boys.... Did Belichick use videotaping improperly? Sure.

Are the Colts harboring a murderer? Perhaps.

Which one of these two should be the headline grabber? What you are seeing is a well played PR campaign to redirect attention from the substantial negative press that NFL players (not on the Pats, mind you) have been generating lately by focusing on a non-story about video taping.

It seems to be working well. Belichick continues to be demonized, and Harrison has yet to appear for a single interview to answer for his role in a murder, and the injury of a child.

Look behind the curtain, boys….

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]]> By: ManginisCameraMan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28680 ManginisCameraMan Tue, 13 May 2008 17:53:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28680 I wouldn't say this will never go away. I'm a Pats fan (all boston sports for that matter) and how often do people bring up things about the Red Sox past. This is going to be mentioned for years, it is what it is they got caught and they got punished. Now the only thing I have to disagree with is Kate773 comment that the Patriots are the only one team branded as cheaters. The Pats do have a fraternity in that club: The Miami Dolphins in the 70's they got busted for tampering with Don Shula the cost one first round pick, they also won some super bowls The Denver Broncos in 96-98 circumvented the cap (to the uneducated they reportly paid less for their players to cheat the cap in order to have a stacked line up) the cost 950,000 a third-round pick. If I am not mistaken they won a couple of Super Bowls The 49ers did the samething the broncos did in 97 their punishment: $300,000 fine and give up a 5th round draft choice in 2001 and a 3rd round choice in 2002 a bit more drastic than the Broncos, maybe they cheated in 95 when they won their last super bowl wh. The 49ers again got busted but this time for tampering in 2008 their punishment they had to give their 5th rounder to Chicago and flipped 3rd round picks with Chicago. So let me ask you this besides it being the most current occurance of cheating why are the Patriots any different than these organizations? Why is there no talk of asterisks after their Super Bowl Victories. All these teams cheated and they got punished, I think what the Pats did was stupid and they got caught thinking they probably never would be. Go ahead and hate on the Patriots and call me a Patriots apologist but at least do some research so you have a leg to stand on when say: “The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots.” I wouldn’t say this will never go away. I’m a Pats fan (all boston sports for that matter) and how often do people bring up things about the Red Sox past. This is going to be mentioned for years, it is what it is they got caught and they got punished. Now the only thing I have to disagree with is Kate773 comment that the Patriots are the only one team branded as cheaters. The Pats do have a fraternity in that club:

The Miami Dolphins in the 70’s they got busted for tampering with Don Shula the cost one first round pick, they also won some super bowls

The Denver Broncos in 96-98 circumvented the cap (to the uneducated they reportly paid less for their players to cheat the cap in order to have a stacked line up) the cost 950,000 a third-round pick. If I am not mistaken they won a couple of Super Bowls

The 49ers did the samething the broncos did in 97 their punishment:
$300,000 fine and give up a 5th round draft choice in 2001 and a 3rd round choice in 2002 a bit more drastic than the Broncos, maybe they cheated in 95 when they won their last super bowl wh.

The 49ers again got busted but this time for tampering in 2008 their punishment they had to give their 5th rounder to Chicago and flipped 3rd round picks with Chicago.

So let me ask you this besides it being the most current occurance of cheating why are the Patriots any different than these organizations? Why is there no talk of asterisks after their Super Bowl Victories. All these teams cheated and they got punished, I think what the Pats did was stupid and they got caught thinking they probably never would be. Go ahead and hate on the Patriots and call me a Patriots apologist but at least do some research so you have a leg to stand on when say: “The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots.”

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]]> By: Shaun Lowrie http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28675 Shaun Lowrie Tue, 13 May 2008 17:48:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28675 beninaz - I don't feel betrayed. The Patriots didn't 'pick up a first-round pick' they lost one. I guarantee right now, if you'd have said to the NE heirachy in 2001 that this was illegal and the punishment could be losing a first rounder down the line... they'd have stopped. Gambling away draft picks is not how the better franchises (The Pats, Colts, Chargers) have built up their dominance. I'm no Pats fan at all, but I'd like to see a line drawn under this purely for the reason that it looks like NFL fans are petty, small-minded and unreasonable people. beninaz - I don’t feel betrayed. The Patriots didn’t ‘pick up a first-round pick’ they lost one.

I guarantee right now, if you’d have said to the NE heirachy in 2001 that this was illegal and the punishment could be losing a first rounder down the line… they’d have stopped. Gambling away draft picks is not how the better franchises (The Pats, Colts, Chargers) have built up their dominance.

I’m no Pats fan at all, but I’d like to see a line drawn under this purely for the reason that it looks like NFL fans are petty, small-minded and unreasonable people.

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]]> By: beastmode http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28664 beastmode Tue, 13 May 2008 17:44:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28664 why would Walsh know anything about any bugging or electronic interference anyway? he's a video assistant. why would Walsh know anything about any bugging or electronic interference anyway? he’s a video assistant.

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]]> By: RobJH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28661 RobJH Tue, 13 May 2008 17:42:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28661 In a related story, Matt Walsh's bank account is now $300 million richer. Thanks NFL! Its sad to think that a team can cheat for the better part of a decade, win multiple Super Bowls, then lose 1 draft pick and pay some pocket change. How's that for justice? Also, if they weren't using the signals in the same game, what would be the point of taping them in a playoff game? Someone obviously paid Matt Walsh a boatload of hush money. My only question is whether it was the Pats or whole NFL. In a related story, Matt Walsh’s bank account is now $300 million richer. Thanks NFL!

Its sad to think that a team can cheat for the better part of a decade, win multiple Super Bowls, then lose 1 draft pick and pay some pocket change. How’s that for justice?

Also, if they weren’t using the signals in the same game, what would be the point of taping them in a playoff game?

Someone obviously paid Matt Walsh a boatload of hush money. My only question is whether it was the Pats or whole NFL.

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]]> By: Footballguy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28660 Footballguy Tue, 13 May 2008 17:41:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28660 LOL.. REJOICE Patsy fans... Like we all said, "nothing new"... PFT and the media hinted otherwise - All most claimed was that he was a Cheat and he IS. Your guy is still a Cheating, adulturer, Lying sack.. But, not THAT much of one..... lol. But, REJOICE!!!!!! LOL.. REJOICE Patsy fans…

Like we all said, “nothing new”… PFT and the media hinted otherwise - All most claimed was that he was a Cheat and he IS.

Your guy is still a Cheating, adulturer, Lying sack.. But, not THAT much of one….. lol.

But, REJOICE!!!!!!

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]]> By: TCLARK http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28658 TCLARK Tue, 13 May 2008 17:41:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28658 jdog1, a Cheerleader, says: Members of the 1919 Blacksox were banned for life for throwing a game. Too bad, Roger Goodell doesn’t have the same standards that the baseball commissioner at the time did (then again Commiskey was too cheap to pay off anybody, unlike Kraft). If he did have the same standards, the Colts and Titans would have been banned for life. jdog1, a Cheerleader, says:
Members of the 1919 Blacksox were banned for life for throwing a game. Too bad, Roger Goodell doesn’t have the same standards that the baseball commissioner at the time did (then again Commiskey was too cheap to pay off anybody, unlike Kraft).

If he did have the same standards, the Colts and Titans would have been banned for life.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28652 Rob0769 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:37:01 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28652 beninaz, I can see why you are upset. Get caught up with the facts and maybe you won't. Chris Mortensen reported back in September or October that the Pats were punished for taping as far back as 2000. Using ESPN as your source is part of your problem too. Schlereth is taking the high ground because he would never play for a cheater except both of his Super Bowl rings were a direct result of the Broncos cheating the cap. beninaz,

I can see why you are upset. Get caught up with the facts and maybe you won’t. Chris Mortensen reported back in September or October that the Pats were punished for taping as far back as 2000.

Using ESPN as your source is part of your problem too. Schlereth is taking the high ground because he would never play for a cheater except both of his Super Bowl rings were a direct result of the Broncos cheating the cap.

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]]> By: A rare bengals fan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28651 A rare bengals fan Tue, 13 May 2008 17:36:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28651 Well it seems like everyone is falling into one of three categories: Category 1- The Patriot lovers who would defend the team no matter what happened and don't think the Patriots should have been punished at all even though they did break a rule and though it is small, it is still cheating. They aren't liking being at the top and having everybody throw stuff at them. Category 2- The ESPN crowd who just plain doesn't like the Patriots or Bill Beeeeelichick and no matter what will say they won because they cheated. Which is pretty moronic. Look I am no Patriots fan, but I think players like Brady, Brown, Bruschi, Law, Harrison, Vrabel, and Poole (ha ha just kidding there) were the reson they won 3 in 4 years. This category of people will say they were the only ones cheating and either don't understand the game, or just plain don't like the team. Category 3- The people who beliueve that although small they did break the rules and that does consist of cheating, Beeeeelichick's arrogance is what caused this penalty, but it is now over and you all need to let it go. This is where I fall. The draft is over, they were penalized, it is over, let's move on. Training camp starts in a few weeks (Except for my bengals, it starts after the probation for half the team ends) In the end though it is fun watching Category 1 and 2 fight amongst each other. Well it seems like everyone is falling into one of three categories:

Category 1- The Patriot lovers who would defend the team no matter what happened and don’t think the Patriots should have been punished at all even though they did break a rule and though it is small, it is still cheating. They aren’t liking being at the top and having everybody throw stuff at them.

Category 2- The ESPN crowd who just plain doesn’t like the Patriots or Bill Beeeeelichick and no matter what will say they won because they cheated. Which is pretty moronic. Look I am no Patriots fan, but I think players like Brady, Brown, Bruschi, Law, Harrison, Vrabel, and Poole (ha ha just kidding there) were the reson they won 3 in 4 years. This category of people will say they were the only ones cheating and either don’t understand the game, or just plain don’t like the team.

Category 3- The people who beliueve that although small they did break the rules and that does consist of cheating, Beeeeelichick’s arrogance is what caused this penalty, but it is now over and you all need to let it go. This is where I fall. The draft is over, they were penalized, it is over, let’s move on. Training camp starts in a few weeks (Except for my bengals, it starts after the probation for half the team ends)

In the end though it is fun watching Category 1 and 2 fight amongst each other.

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]]> By: TLyons4 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28646 TLyons4 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:35:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28646 "I got over the Super Bowl loss faster than the “haters” will get over this." Damn, wish I could agree with you on this, but I'm still in denial mode. I don't think I'll be on to step 12 until the season starts again. Of course, the haters will still be shaking their tiny fists of fury about this until sometime in the mid-2010's. “I got over the Super Bowl loss faster than the “haters” will get over this.”

Damn, wish I could agree with you on this, but I’m still in denial mode. I don’t think I’ll be on to step 12 until the season starts again. Of course, the haters will still be shaking their tiny fists of fury about this until sometime in the mid-2010’s.

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]]> By: Skel http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28644 Skel Tue, 13 May 2008 17:34:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28644 Maybe, and I'm just spit-balling here, the reason the initial reports of the Patriots being punished for taping during the "2006 season/2007 preseason" and confusion regarding how long the Patriots had been doing this is due to the open-ended wording of the original rule. The NFL realized there was a loop-hole that was being exploited and closed it off with the memo issued to all 32 teams. Therefore the Commish felt he could only punish the team for violations that occurred after his memo, because while they violated the spirit of the rule they never violated the wording of the initial rule. Maybe, and I’m just spit-balling here, the reason the initial reports of the Patriots being punished for taping during the “2006 season/2007 preseason” and confusion regarding how long the Patriots had been doing this is due to the open-ended wording of the original rule. The NFL realized there was a loop-hole that was being exploited and closed it off with the memo issued to all 32 teams. Therefore the Commish felt he could only punish the team for violations that occurred after his memo, because while they violated the spirit of the rule they never violated the wording of the initial rule.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28641 Rob0769 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:33:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28641 Insomniac, So Schlereth thinks Ernie Adams has a timemachine now? Wow! I knew he wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree, but come on! Goodell said Walsh said he gave Adams the tape AFTER the game. How can they use it in the game? Stinky is grasping desperately to not look like the moron he is. I know they press portray Ernie Adams as an evil genius, but apparently he is a mad scientist too. He could do what Einstein didn't - bend space and time. Insomniac,

So Schlereth thinks Ernie Adams has a timemachine now? Wow! I knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb on the tree, but come on! Goodell said Walsh said he gave Adams the tape AFTER the game. How can they use it in the game? Stinky is grasping desperately to not look like the moron he is.

I know they press portray Ernie Adams as an evil genius, but apparently he is a mad scientist too. He could do what Einstein didn’t - bend space and time.

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]]> By: TLyons4 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28639 TLyons4 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:31:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28639 "Not if they were aimed at the coaches. You can tame from the HEZ if you’re making coaches tape for scouting and game planning, but you can’t use the position to record defensive signals." Sorry, but thats wrong. As long as the video is not being used during the game, you're free to film anything you like as long as it is done from the approved areas (enclosed on all sides, roof overhead, I don't remember the phrase word-for-word). “Not if they were aimed at the coaches. You can tame from the HEZ if you’re making coaches tape for scouting and game planning, but you can’t use the position to record defensive signals.”

Sorry, but thats wrong. As long as the video is not being used during the game, you’re free to film anything you like as long as it is done from the approved areas (enclosed on all sides, roof overhead, I don’t remember the phrase word-for-word).

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]]> By: SDgreatness http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28633 SDgreatness Tue, 13 May 2008 17:28:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28633 Weren't the Patriots caught transferring the tapes at half time of the Jets game last year? That is inconsistent with turning them over after the game. Weren’t the Patriots caught transferring the tapes at half time of the Jets game last year? That is inconsistent with turning them over after the game.

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28624 monger Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28624 You can file this one under "Least Surprising Headline of the Day". You can file this one under “Least Surprising Headline of the Day”.

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]]> By: beninaz http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28623 beninaz Tue, 13 May 2008 17:19:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28623 So this is how it ends, huh? After looking at the tapes and listening to the former players on ESPN, as well as reviewing the punishment for taping during only "the 2006 season/2007 preseason" I can't help but feel there should be more done about this. We have a coach that didn't understand the rules, tapes that were destroyed immediately by the league, and yet the Patriots still pick up a first-round pick. Now I'm just a normal fan... I get the Sunday Ticket every year, buy jerseys for myself and the kids every year and take in at least 2 game a season. I feel vested in the NFL and frankly feel kind of betrayed by the league. "Everyone else does it"? Stop with that...there needs to be more done about this. If we're holding players to higher conduct standards now, why not the coaches and owners? A high school coach would have been sent packing for this. So this is how it ends, huh? After looking at the tapes and listening to the former players on ESPN, as well as reviewing the punishment for taping during only “the 2006 season/2007 preseason” I can’t help but feel there should be more done about this. We have a coach that didn’t understand the rules, tapes that were destroyed immediately by the league, and yet the Patriots still pick up a first-round pick.
Now I’m just a normal fan… I get the Sunday Ticket every year, buy jerseys for myself and the kids every year and take in at least 2 game a season. I feel vested in the NFL and frankly feel kind of betrayed by the league. “Everyone else does it”? Stop with that…there needs to be more done about this. If we’re holding players to higher conduct standards now, why not the coaches and owners? A high school coach would have been sent packing for this.

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]]> By: paycents http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28617 paycents Tue, 13 May 2008 17:15:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28617 they paid walsh off they paid walsh off

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]]> By: Dan1919 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28615 Dan1919 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:15:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28615 The videos themselves are legal. The only thing wrong with the tapes is the location from which they were shot. Again, Goodell admitted that taping of the opponents signals are permissable. The location is the only thing the Patriots did wrong. The videos themselves are legal. The only thing wrong with the tapes is the location from which they were shot.

Again, Goodell admitted that taping of the opponents signals are permissable. The location is the only thing the Patriots did wrong.

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]]> By: Insomniac http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28613 Insomniac Tue, 13 May 2008 17:14:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28613 Rob0769: Mark Schlereth kept going after the press conference. Now there is a contradiction. Walsh said he had the tape in his possession the entire game and never used during the game. Then after the game he labeled it and gave it to Ernie Adams. He said he then had no idea what happened to it. So you see, because he has no idea what happened to the tape, it could've been used during the game, according to Mark Schlereth. Rob0769: Mark Schlereth kept going after the press conference. Now there is a contradiction. Walsh said he had the tape in his possession the entire game and never used during the game. Then after the game he labeled it and gave it to Ernie Adams. He said he then had no idea what happened to it. So you see, because he has no idea what happened to the tape, it could’ve been used during the game, according to Mark Schlereth.

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]]> By: SJH http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28611 SJH Tue, 13 May 2008 17:11:46 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28611 Yes, yes they would. Clayton making a good point now on ESPN saying this issue is similar to the 49ers issue of breaking the salary cap rules during their SB runs. Yes, yes they would.

Clayton making a good point now on ESPN saying this issue is similar to the 49ers issue of breaking the salary cap rules during their SB runs.

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]]> By: LiveNBreath Football http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28606 LiveNBreath Football Tue, 13 May 2008 17:10:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28606 bc_22, I would say that the 49ers being busted for tampering would qualifying as the League also branding them cheaters. Of course, those who hate the Patriots will never admit that anything any other team did qualifies as cheating. Yeah, facts are stubborn things, including the ones that show other teams cheated too. bc_22, I would say that the 49ers being busted for tampering would qualifying as the League also branding them cheaters. Of course, those who hate the Patriots will never admit that anything any other team did qualifies as cheating. Yeah, facts are stubborn things, including the ones that show other teams cheated too.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28605 PFTiswhatitis Tue, 13 May 2008 17:09:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28605 This entire drama is more of an indictment on current journalistic practices than on the NFL. Shame on you to The NY Times, Boston Herald, and ESPN to name a few. haters: feel free to crawl back under your rocks now. This entire drama is more of an indictment on current journalistic practices than on the NFL. Shame on you to The NY Times, Boston Herald, and ESPN to name a few.

haters: feel free to crawl back under your rocks now.

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]]> By: bonecity7 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28604 bonecity7 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:09:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28604 The haters will now say that Matt Walsh is a scumbag and can't be trusted....yet, had he said what they hoped he'd say, he would be a highly reputable source!! And, to the poster above citing (once AGAIN) that the Pats are 'cheaters" and their reputation is tainted....that's OLD NEWS!! That perspective has been around since September of '07!! Time to find a new soapbox!! The haters will now say that Matt Walsh is a scumbag and can’t be trusted….yet, had he said what they hoped he’d say, he would be a highly reputable source!!

And, to the poster above citing (once AGAIN) that the Pats are ‘cheaters” and their reputation is tainted….that’s OLD NEWS!!
That perspective has been around since September of ‘07!! Time to find a new soapbox!!

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]]> By: BigCatCountry http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28603 BigCatCountry Tue, 13 May 2008 17:08:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28603 Not if they were aimed at the coaches. You can tame from the HEZ if you're making coaches tape for scouting and game planning, but you can't use the position to record defensive signals. -C Not if they were aimed at the coaches. You can tame from the HEZ if you’re making coaches tape for scouting and game planning, but you can’t use the position to record defensive signals.

-C

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]]> By: TCLARK http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28602 TCLARK Tue, 13 May 2008 17:07:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28602 I got over the Super Bowl loss faster than the "haters" will get over this. I got over the Super Bowl loss faster than the “haters” will get over this.

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]]> By: bluedoctor http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28600 bluedoctor Tue, 13 May 2008 17:07:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28600 What about Ernie Adams? He was the head of the Pats' video Dept and Belichick's right hand man right? Does this mean that Adams' role in the organization isn't sinister? What about Ernie Adams? He was the head of the Pats’ video Dept and Belichick’s right hand man right? Does this mean that Adams’ role in the organization isn’t sinister?

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]]> By: kate773 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28598 kate773 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28598 "The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots." That's right, cling to your binky. “The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots.”

That’s right, cling to your binky.

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]]> By: kate773 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28597 kate773 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:05:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28597 That's right haters. Cling to hope. "Well, they could still be as evil as I thought they were!" You all sound like children sticking your fingers in your ears. "LalalalaIamnotlisteningIamnotlisteninglalalalathepatriotsareevevilnomatterwhatanyonesaysandeventhoughthefactsaretellingmedifferent" So sad. That’s right haters. Cling to hope. “Well, they could still be as evil as I thought they were!”

You all sound like children sticking your fingers in your ears. “LalalalaIamnotlisteningIamnotlisteninglalalalathepatriotsareevevilnomatterwhatanyonesaysandeventhoughthefactsaretellingmedifferent”

So sad.

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]]> By: TLyons4 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28594 TLyons4 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:05:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28594 "The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots." I guess we're just ignoring any and all teams that have been punished for tampering in the past (including the ever-lovable 1972 Dolphins), as well as any teams that have committed salary cap violations. “The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots.”

I guess we’re just ignoring any and all teams that have been punished for tampering in the past (including the ever-lovable 1972 Dolphins), as well as any teams that have committed salary cap violations.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28595 PFTiswhatitis Tue, 13 May 2008 17:05:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28595 bc_22, a Cheerleader, says: May 13th, 2008 at 12:51 pm “Facts are stubborn things” John Adams The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots. Hmmn, seems to me they broke a rule, call it cheating if you like, but what about Denver? How cna you overlook that? It was a much more agregious violation with tangible benefits and results. What about the 49ers etc.? Seems your facts are INCOMPLETE and your conclusions jaded. Haters are funny. bc_22, a Cheerleader, says:
May 13th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
“Facts are stubborn things” John Adams
The fact remains that only one team has been officially branded by the NFL as cheaters. That team is the New England Patriots.

Hmmn, seems to me they broke a rule, call it cheating if you like, but what about Denver? How cna you overlook that? It was a much more agregious violation with tangible benefits and results. What about the 49ers etc.? Seems your facts are INCOMPLETE and your conclusions jaded.

Haters are funny.

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28586 Rob0769 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:00:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28586 bc_22, LOL! So when the Broncos and 49ers were punished for cheating (the 49ers were punished on two separate occassions over the last decade), they didn't officially become cheaters? Well, that is unbiased. bc_22,

LOL! So when the Broncos and 49ers were punished for cheating (the 49ers were punished on two separate occassions over the last decade), they didn’t officially become cheaters? Well, that is unbiased.

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]]> By: Dan1919 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28584 Dan1919 Tue, 13 May 2008 16:59:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28584 Goodell, It is PERMISSABLE to tape signals. Why isnt anyone picking up on that? Goodell,

It is PERMISSABLE to tape signals. Why isnt anyone picking up on that?

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]]> By: tazrams http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28582 tazrams Tue, 13 May 2008 16:59:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28582 Is it over? I really hope so... Are we all to believe that this is the only team to have ever done this? Specter should have a few other things of much greater importance on his schedule, don't you think? Is it over? I really hope so…
Are we all to believe that this is the only team to have ever done this?

Specter should have a few other things of much greater importance on his schedule, don’t you think?

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]]> By: jdog1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28581 jdog1 Tue, 13 May 2008 16:58:22 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28581 How much do you think Walsh got to burn the Rams walk through tape? Members of the 1919 Blacksox were banned for life for throwing a game. Too bad, Roger Goodell doesn't have the same standards that the baseball commissioner at the time did (then again Commiskey was too cheap to pay off anybody, unlike Kraft). How much do you think Walsh got to burn the Rams walk through tape? Members of the 1919 Blacksox were banned for life for throwing a game. Too bad, Roger Goodell doesn’t have the same standards that the baseball commissioner at the time did (then again Commiskey was too cheap to pay off anybody, unlike Kraft).

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]]> By: Referee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28580 Referee Tue, 13 May 2008 16:58:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28580 Call off the wolves!!! Put this crap to bed once and for all. The next agenda for self serving politicians like the HON. Arlen Spector, Putz - PA, should be working behind the scenes to free PACMAN JONES NOW!!! Call off the wolves!!! Put this crap to bed once and for all. The next agenda for self serving politicians like the HON. Arlen Spector, Putz - PA, should be working behind the scenes to free PACMAN JONES NOW!!!

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]]> By: Skew http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28579 Skew Tue, 13 May 2008 16:57:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/walsh-has-no-evidence-of-cheating/#comment-28579 Patriots=cheaters /end of story Patriots=cheaters

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