Comments on: THE WAITING GAME CONTINUES http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:44:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28962 JoeSixPack Wed, 14 May 2008 00:35:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28962 A pretty transparent attempt on Specter's part to get all the media attention tomorrow. That show's part of his true agenda - grandstanding by postpoining his press conference until tomorrow. The biggest revelation thus far is that players scalped super bowl tickets... a far cry from the specter raised by Specter. What can't be denied now, thanks to good reporting at PFT, is that videotaping stolen signal is legal as long as it's done in the right location. And even the NFL admits that the rule was less than clear up until the time they issued their clarifying memo in September of 2006. But of course, since all these tapes were made before the NFL made clear that ALL sideline videotaping was prohibited (not just that which was to be used on that gameday) the 2006 memo doesn't apply to the so-called Walsh tapes. A pretty transparent attempt on Specter’s part to get all the media attention tomorrow.

That show’s part of his true agenda - grandstanding by postpoining his press conference until tomorrow.

The biggest revelation thus far is that players scalped super bowl tickets… a far cry from the specter raised by Specter.

What can’t be denied now, thanks to good reporting at PFT, is that videotaping stolen signal is legal as long as it’s done in the right location. And even the NFL admits that the rule was less than clear up until the time they issued their clarifying memo in September of 2006. But of course, since all these tapes were made before the NFL made clear that ALL sideline videotaping was prohibited (not just that which was to be used on that gameday) the 2006 memo doesn’t apply to the so-called Walsh tapes.

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]]> By: LiveNBreath Football http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28895 LiveNBreath Football Tue, 13 May 2008 23:07:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28895 Goodell says it wasn't audio or video taped. Did any check Walsh for a wire? It is alleged the guy tapes conversations to "protect" himself. Goodell says it wasn’t audio or video taped. Did any check Walsh for a wire? It is alleged the guy tapes conversations to “protect” himself.

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28890 Henry Plainview Tue, 13 May 2008 22:40:52 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28890 it's obvious it's against league rules to tape within their office. it’s obvious it’s against league rules to tape within their office.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28830 PFTiswhatitis Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28830 VeggieBurger: I agree with alot of what you said but Goodell did not say that videotaping was illegal only that doing it how the Pats did it was illegal. The rule also says that. It does NOT rule out videotaping which maybe it should if thats what the league wants. Also, be clear that all teams tape the plays and print the formations etc. for use during the games. Those are the prints that you see the players checking out on the sidelines. They come from thermal printers connected to video recorders and individual frames are printed. (I worked on one of those systems years ago.) They are not a secret. Lastly, Goodell said that stealing signals WAS LEGAL but videotaping them was not regardless of whether they were not used during the game. Its a pretty confusing policy to say the least. The league really ought to clarify the rule and its spirit. VeggieBurger: I agree with alot of what you said but Goodell did not say that videotaping was illegal only that doing it how the Pats did it was illegal. The rule also says that. It does NOT rule out videotaping which maybe it should if thats what the league wants.

Also, be clear that all teams tape the plays and print the formations etc. for use during the games. Those are the prints that you see the players checking out on the sidelines. They come from thermal printers connected to video recorders and individual frames are printed. (I worked on one of those systems years ago.) They are not a secret.
Lastly, Goodell said that stealing signals WAS LEGAL but videotaping them was not regardless of whether they were not used during the game.
Its a pretty confusing policy to say the least. The league really ought to clarify the rule and its spirit.

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]]> By: VeggieBurgher http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28805 VeggieBurgher Tue, 13 May 2008 20:37:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28805 Spygate is now officially over. So the Pats haters can stop. But the Pats fans need to admit the reality of the cheating as well and stop acting like the fact that Walsh didn't have a tape of the Rams walkthrough somehow means that the Pats didn't cheat. They did, and they admit that they did. They got caught. They were punished. The cheating was for videotaping opposing teams' signals for use in future games (they said they did not use the tapes for in-game benefits and there is no evidence that they did). But the Pats fans who keep saying "but this whole thing is nonsense because it would be legal to tape from the stands" are wrong. The rule is as follows: “Use at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which a club is a participant, of communication or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic device that might aid a team during the playing of a game.” "A game" means any game, including future games. Does not matter where the taping occurred, it was against the rules. (The fact that other rules talk about the sidelines, etc. does not mean that it was OK under this rule to tape from the stands.) Goodell confirmed this. Belichick argued that he thought this rule meant that you can't tape if you want to use the tape for in-game help. Goodell said no, that interpretation is wrong, this rule means you can't tape for the benefit of future games either. The issue was NOT where the Pats taped, it was that they taped. Spygate is now officially over. So the Pats haters can stop. But the Pats fans need to admit the reality of the cheating as well and stop acting like the fact that Walsh didn’t have a tape of the Rams walkthrough somehow means that the Pats didn’t cheat. They did, and they admit that they did. They got caught. They were punished.

The cheating was for videotaping opposing teams’ signals for use in future games (they said they did not use the tapes for in-game benefits and there is no evidence that they did). But the Pats fans who keep saying “but this whole thing is nonsense because it would be legal to tape from the stands” are wrong. The rule is as follows:

“Use at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which a club is a participant, of communication or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic device that might aid a team during the playing of a game.”

“A game” means any game, including future games. Does not matter where the taping occurred, it was against the rules. (The fact that other rules talk about the sidelines, etc. does not mean that it was OK under this rule to tape from the stands.) Goodell confirmed this. Belichick argued that he thought this rule meant that you can’t tape if you want to use the tape for in-game help. Goodell said no, that interpretation is wrong, this rule means you can’t tape for the benefit of future games either. The issue was NOT where the Pats taped, it was that they taped.

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]]> By: Nate A http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28800 Nate A Tue, 13 May 2008 20:31:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28800 Florio, you don't believe any of these guys do you? Florio, you don’t believe any of these guys do you?

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28799 monger Tue, 13 May 2008 20:30:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28799 I'd really love to hear what Arlene Specter has to say but I have some much more interesting things to do like scrub the bathtub or take out the trash. If the truth in advertising laws were enforced, they'd make Specter wear big floppy shoes and a red rubber nose and a funny hat whenever he made a speech. What would happen if that pompous gasbag had a press conference and nobody showed up. I’d really love to hear what Arlene Specter has to say but I have some much more interesting things to do like scrub the bathtub or take out the trash. If the truth in advertising laws were enforced, they’d make Specter wear big floppy shoes and a red rubber nose and a funny hat whenever he made a speech. What would happen if that pompous gasbag had a press conference and nobody showed up.

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]]> By: Fail Cat http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28787 Fail Cat Tue, 13 May 2008 20:16:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28787 Arlen Specter's book is gonna be piled up next to the Paul Reiser books at the Barne's & Nobles warehouse. Maybe a south philly family whose parents lost their jobs, and their house while Specter was off playing Football Detective can burn his book for warmth. It'd be the most productive thing he's ever done for them. Arlen Specter’s book is gonna be piled up next to the Paul Reiser books at the Barne’s & Nobles warehouse. Maybe a south philly family whose parents lost their jobs, and their house while Specter was off playing Football Detective can burn his book for warmth. It’d be the most productive thing he’s ever done for them.

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28783 kellyb9 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:09:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28783 Now that the videos have been analyized and scrutinized by NFL players, coaches, owners, and officials. I'll be sure to listen to the ramblings of an idiot Senator. I'm pretty sure I'm more qualified to comment on this then Arlen Spector... but then again, I'm not an Eagles fan... nor do I have Comcast behind me. Now that the videos have been analyized and scrutinized by NFL players, coaches, owners, and officials. I’ll be sure to listen to the ramblings of an idiot Senator. I’m pretty sure I’m more qualified to comment on this then Arlen Spector… but then again, I’m not an Eagles fan… nor do I have Comcast behind me.

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]]> By: CapsLockKey http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28782 CapsLockKey Tue, 13 May 2008 20:07:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28782 I can't wait. Now maybe Specter can focus on things that actually affect our lives in the Senate, like fixing the economy and how not to waste tax payers dollars on meaningless witch hunts in a profession that does nothing for society other than to entertain. How about investigating these oil cartels for "cheating" to fix prices and gouge the American citizens instead. I can’t wait. Now maybe Specter can focus on things that actually affect our lives in the Senate, like fixing the economy and how not to waste tax payers dollars on meaningless witch hunts in a profession that does nothing for society other than to entertain. How about investigating these oil cartels for “cheating” to fix prices and gouge the American citizens instead.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28781 SeanMartin Tue, 13 May 2008 20:06:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28781 What can Specter say? It must've been in contract (the one they took months to agree upon) that Walsh couldn't keep anything from Goodell that he would run and go tell Specter... What can Specter say? It must’ve been in contract (the one they took months to agree upon) that Walsh couldn’t keep anything from Goodell that he would run and go tell Specter…

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]]> By: Nos20 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28780 Nos20 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:05:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28780 Anyone else have Tom Petty playing in their head? Anyone else have Tom Petty playing in their head?

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]]> By: irishpat http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28779 irishpat Tue, 13 May 2008 20:03:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/13/the-waiting-game-continues/#comment-28779 This is just like in The O.C. 3, when Trey was in a coma and we didnt get to hear his side until like episode 6. That was so intense! This is just like in The O.C. 3, when Trey was in a coma and we didnt get to hear his side until like episode 6. That was so intense!

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