In a Tuesday afternoon interview with WEEI in Boston, Pats quarterback Tom Brady addressed the harping of former NFL players in the media about the videotaping of defensive coaching signals.
Asked one the hosts: “Does it surprise you some of the former players who are in the media now who just seem to be clueless about this whole thing? I’m stunned by it.”
Said Brady: “It’s just kind of the environment right now, though. I think that’s the way that guys make it. They just say the craziest things. . . . That’s what ESPN has become.”
We agree with Brady. And we were amazed by the insistence of guys like former Broncos offensive lineman Mark Schlereth that the videotapes created by Matt Walsh were used in the same game. Any moron (even Schlereth) could see that the final product was the result of an editing process that made the thing easier to watch. It would simply be too cumbersome to forward and/or rewind through the raw tape during the three total hours of a game (including a 12-minute halftime) to make any use out of this information in the second half.
Moreover, if the purpose of the taping was only to use it in the same game, why did the taping continue into the second half?
The bottom line? Schlereth is part of the ESPN agenda aimed at making some/any story out of this matter. Since there was no videotaping of the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, the media needs to talk about something else.
And so Schlereth and others are yammering about the videotaped signals being used for in-game adjustments, and pondering how that diminishes the Pats’ run of success this decade.
Meanwhile, Schlereth hasn’t once mentioned the tarnish on his own pair of Super Bowl rings because the Broncos cheated on the salary cap from 1996 through 1998. Though the cause-and-effect as it relates to the on-field product isn’t as obvious, circumventing the cap in order to avoid having to cut a veteran and replace him with a street free agent results in a higher quality team.
Indeed, let’s consider this quote from Schlereth, which he offered up on ESPN Radio on Tuesday afternoon: “This besmirches to the organization to the point where regardless of how you look at these three championships that they’ve won over the last seven, eight years you will still always look at them and say ‘Yeah, but . . . they had this Spygate thing, how much of it was inappropriate, how much cheating went on, and how much did it help them during the course of some of those games?”
Now, let’s revise it a bit, and apply it to Schlereth’s Broncos: “This besmirches to the organization to the point where regardless of how you look at these [two] championships that they’ve won over the [two] years you will still always look at them and say ‘Yeah, but . . . they had this [salary cap] thing, how much of it was inappropriate, how much cheating went on, and how much did it help them during the course of some of those games?”
Frankly, we think we prefer an intellectually honest guy who can’t talk all that well (i.e., Emmitt Smith) to a former player who looks and sounds good as the horsesh-t is flowing from his mouth.
So, ESPN, we rescind our request that you fire Emmitt. But we beg you to fire Schlereth. Now.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
you people are all crazy. Goodell came out and said today that stealing signals is legal. Its jsut the fact of where the pats taped them. You are allowed to video tape signals as the rule states but it just need to be in an enclosed area and not the field level. All you people drive me nuts not knowing the easiest thing about this. The rule they broke was taping from the field level.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Two reasons I boycott ESPN:
1. Sensationalism
2. “Insider” content. Get it free from more reputable sources.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Put me in charge of winning in a billion dollar industry.. and I promise you I will analyze the video while game is in play. Give me a break, you think it’s preposterous? Absolutely possible.. and any camera can be equipped to do so for under $1000.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
The irony is that the Chargers have spanked the Patriots over the last 5 years.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
I can’t wait for Congress to get involved and ask Brady the hard questions. Like how much did knowing what the defense was going to do help you? (Steroids in baseball type questions, under oath)No wait, Congress needs to pay attention to $4.00 a gollon gas prices. The N.F.L. needs to hire a commissoner to ask these questions.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Regardless of this story, Patriot fans, your team’s best chance at 19-0 was last season. As a long-time Dolphins fan, thanks for making our 2007 season worthwhile (even if we had to wait for the very last minute). Thank you NYG!
19-0 is a possibility for 2008, but it’s not going to happen. The NE bias continues as you’re ranked #1 in the ridiculous ESPN preseason power rankings. You’ll easily win the weak AFC East, but good luck even getting to the conference championship.
I don’t care about the tapes, it was just fun to hear the Draft-day fans of the other 31 teams give you their love.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
so Ron you must have been disgusted by Dungy and Fisher
usher when they colluded to finish a game out by agreeing to not call a timeout when strategy would have dictated that one be used. It must have been completely deplorable to you when Kerry Collins admitted knowing about on a national radio show. The outcome of that game btw, had playoff implications for the Browns. I do believe that you would be posting your disdain about those two coaches and the players that knew. However, that article wasn’t written because inexplicably mo investigation happened and no one pursued the story. Why? St. Dungy is off-limits because he is media ballwasher and BB gives them little to work with. All NFL fans deserve consistency from the commish and the media when issues concerning the integrity of the game come up. Btw-it’s Mrs. Espnsux.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
JoeSixPack, you have not only posted facts, and quoted the exact rule, but you have shown remarkable patience in trying to explain it in terms that dolts like Ron and Ralphie could understand/ Alas, your tremendous effort was just not enough to crack thru the cement heads of theirs. Their hatred of the Patriots simply does not allow them to accept that they are 100% wrong, ignorant of the actual rules and that they are now making crap up as they go along because their binky (Matt walsh) had nothing ……..but again…I applaud you JoeSixPack !! There ARE signs of intelligent life after all on here !!
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
The Pats were wrong, they owned up to it, they were punished. This fact was established months ago.
@RonInCharlotte: You draw some quick conclusions about Brady being complicit based on loosly coupled facts. Bledsoe did have an agenda afterall and his statements were fairly noncommital. Do you always draw conclusions with such little to go on?
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but the way you tie these conclusions together and then preach the hypothesis in your angry messages is somewhat a kin to a Reverand Wright sermon.
Enjoy the season.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
To RonInCharlott:
So I see - its the gamesmanship card for the Dolphins? And you’re belieiving them without any proof about where the tape came from?
How trusting of you!
No, there’s no question that Belichick broke a rule set in 2006 with his sideline taping in 2007.
But seeing as it was being kept as quiet as possible that taping signal calling was and continues to be legal in the NFL, now that this cannot be denied, it makes the violation of a rule saying WHERE taping can be done look like what it is - a violation of a rule that was so questionable in the first place, that the NFL had to clarify it so it wouldn’t continue to read as though any taping was appropriate anywhere, just as long as it wasn’t for that game day.
All fans are going to look at it anyway they want - but it can’t be denied that all teams can legal tape signal calling and therefore likely do.
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May 13th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Did they use the video during the games??…probably not…
Here is what Don Banks says…
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– Walsh telling Goodell the tapes he turned over to the league were never used for competitive advantages during the game they were shot should close that open-ended debate once and for all. Walsh knew the drill and executed it, but he also knew it did not provide an in-game benefit.
The Patriots cheated and shot video of AFC opponents they reasonably believed they’d face again in the near future. That means they quite possibly cheated in order to better prepare for the teams they beat in the AFC playoffs on their way to three Super Bowl wins, but it does not mean they cheated in any of the Super Bowls themselves. As far as we know, they beat the Rams, Panthers and Eagles in those games fairly and squarely, even though that distinction can rightly be questioned in light of their previous actions against potential AFC playoff foes.
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Hope that helps…….
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
If Matt Walsh is the morally corrupt liar he’s being made out to be, isn’t it highly plausible that he would accept a handsome bribe from Goodell, whose main interests in this affair lie with protecting the overall stability and success of the NFL product? The last thing the NFL needs is an NBA-style ref-betting scandal. If you didn’t notice, Goodell’s whole reign has been focused on creating a clean image for the league. Money can’t hide a Pacman Jones or Michael Vick investigation, but it could potentially, and successfully, encourage someone who in the past was employed for the purpose of cheating to keep his mouth shut.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Rob0769 - The Broncos were penalized for deferring payments of several players salaries to future years. There is nothing wrong with that per se, and the interest is not counted as part of the cap as you allege. The problem is that when a team defers money to players they have to report it to the NFL and they have to put a portion into a deferred compensation fund.
The first penalty occurred when the league decided in November 2000 that the $29 million Denver had deferred to Elway and TD was too much. So Denver paid 75% to the players, paid about 300K into the deferred compensation fund as well as about $650K in owed interest (hence the almost $1 million penalty).
The second violation is a bit more tricky to get the details of, but it appears that in looking into the Elway and TD deferrals, the league found Denver hiding other deferred payments between 1996 and 1998 and not putting away the proper money. There was also a player who was promised not to be cut until after a certain date. This was the only charge that actually affected the salary cap numbers of any player, the Broncos counted the roster bonus entirely in 1997 instead of prorating it over the life of the contract since it was guaranteed (by the Broncos verbal commitment). But there is no way to know if the change was material to the Broncos cap number without knowing the player or the amount of the bonus. Similarly, there is no way to know how much of the “fine” was money that should have been placed into the deferred compensation fund, how much was interest owed, and how much was an actual punishment.
I don’t know that cheating the salary cap is the right way to put it. I think that the league’s statement which said “Both types of agreements raised salary cap accounting issues” is more accurate. Every indication is that Denver cooked the books so that they had extra cash available to pay for the new stadium, not so that they would circumvent the dollar value of the salary cap. If anyone has other info that shows I am wrong, I would love to see it.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I think this is a ludicrous column, Florio.
You have questioned the Pats, on average, with more skepticism than ESPN which has a boner for the Pats.
I have no idea why you now are convinced that the video couldn’t be used in the game just because of what Matt Walsh said he knows today (or thinks he knows, haha, now he has become credible in your eyes?).
You may want to call for Adam Schefter’s firing as well, as I heard him say on NFL Total Access today that Spygate will follow the Pats and taint them like steroids taint Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa.
But you won’t have the gall to call for Schefter’s firing for such a minor offense, and I would bet a large sum of money on that. It would be a stupid thing to do, just like your attack on Schlereth.
These films could absolutely be used in the second half, and I’m not saying they were, but they could be if anybody half-competent wanted to try. You have presented zero evidence to the contrary other than what Walsh said (or you think he said).
The fact remains that the Patriots blatantly violated a rule that was clarified to every team after the Patriots were caught blatantly violating that rule in Green Bay the year before. And they lost a first round draft pick and huge fines in the process. Today in no way vindicates them for that, even if you and Joe Six Pack want it to.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
hopefully we can at least expect espn to publicly swing off of Brady’s nuts less than before because of this.
maybe they will actually ask the question of why he could throw a ball 55 yards when he came into the league and now he can throw it 80, as well. and how that meshes with his relationship with victor conte.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
ESPN sucks. Too bad they’re the only game in town.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Great coverage on this and I think that your viewpoint is a good one. People just need to get over this whole thing. Every team videotapes and that is that.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Now that Spygate is dead, can someone now produce the ESPN/Dana Jacobson M&M roast tapes.
Come on ESPN, where are they??????
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Again, I don’t think enough people are calling out Schlereth for putting KY jelly or some other lubricant all over his uniform as well as the rest of the Denver linemen in that January 1998 game vs. Kansas City. That was direct cheating in a playoff game.
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May 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Broncos**
Colts*
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May 14th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Mark Schlereth aka Roc Hoover on the Guiding Light.
Sounds like a bonafide journalist to me.
Let’s hire him! He’s perfect for ESPN!!!
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May 14th, 2008 at 12:17 am
I would have paid money to see Goodells face when the San Diego Chargers Cheerleaders video popped up on the screen!
He probably laughed out loud..reminds me of the Austin Powers Comedy when Mini-Me was humping the “LASER” as Dr. Evil was threatening world leaders with a Nuclear Bomb. “Stop Humping the Laser Mini-Me!” As the presidents of nations busted out laughing…THAT WAS EPIC!
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May 14th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Ok..Heres my response to the comments I have read.
1. The Pats Cheated, they know they cheated, knew they were cheating at the time and obviously cheated to gain a competieve advantage.
2. They still had to execute on the field and I really doubt any of those super bowls wouldnt have happened if they didnt videotape opposing signals.
3. Yeah, the broncos cheated too. It wasnt as blantant and it had even less of an affect on the field than the Patriots cheating.
4. To all the people who defend the patriots by putting out other teams on the field “cheating” like Denver’s cut blocking, you’d be hard pressed to find a worse violation of the rules than Rodney Harrison taking HGH and Vince Wilfork trying to gauge out Brandon Jacob’s eye, which was easily the dirtiest play ive seen in years.
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May 14th, 2008 at 1:48 am
They have more than just halftime to look over the tape. Say their defense is on the field
towards the end of the half. The videotape guy can wrap up and get the tape to Ernie Adams before before the end of the half and with the halftime break can get enough time to examine it all especially if the other team has the ball starting the third quarter. Who says Ernie Adams doesn’t have a direct feed into Belichick’s headset during the game?
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May 14th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Wow, I watched the ESPN NFL Live broadcast with a friend and was ranting about how bad Schlereth sounded and had to eventually change the channel because he wasn’t making any sense. Glad to hear that you and many of your followers feel the same way.
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