In a Tuesday afternoon interview with WEEI in Boston, Pats quarterback Tom Brady addressed the harping of former NFL players in the media about the videotaping of defensive coaching signals.
Asked one the hosts: “Does it surprise you some of the former players who are in the media now who just seem to be clueless about this whole thing? I’m stunned by it.”
Said Brady: “It’s just kind of the environment right now, though. I think that’s the way that guys make it. They just say the craziest things. . . . That’s what ESPN has become.”
We agree with Brady. And we were amazed by the insistence of guys like former Broncos offensive lineman Mark Schlereth that the videotapes created by Matt Walsh were used in the same game. Any moron (even Schlereth) could see that the final product was the result of an editing process that made the thing easier to watch. It would simply be too cumbersome to forward and/or rewind through the raw tape during the three total hours of a game (including a 12-minute halftime) to make any use out of this information in the second half.
Moreover, if the purpose of the taping was only to use it in the same game, why did the taping continue into the second half?
The bottom line? Schlereth is part of the ESPN agenda aimed at making some/any story out of this matter. Since there was no videotaping of the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, the media needs to talk about something else.
And so Schlereth and others are yammering about the videotaped signals being used for in-game adjustments, and pondering how that diminishes the Pats’ run of success this decade.
Meanwhile, Schlereth hasn’t once mentioned the tarnish on his own pair of Super Bowl rings because the Broncos cheated on the salary cap from 1996 through 1998. Though the cause-and-effect as it relates to the on-field product isn’t as obvious, circumventing the cap in order to avoid having to cut a veteran and replace him with a street free agent results in a higher quality team.
Indeed, let’s consider this quote from Schlereth, which he offered up on ESPN Radio on Tuesday afternoon: “This besmirches to the organization to the point where regardless of how you look at these three championships that they’ve won over the last seven, eight years you will still always look at them and say ‘Yeah, but . . . they had this Spygate thing, how much of it was inappropriate, how much cheating went on, and how much did it help them during the course of some of those games?”
Now, let’s revise it a bit, and apply it to Schlereth’s Broncos: “This besmirches to the organization to the point where regardless of how you look at these [two] championships that they’ve won over the [two] years you will still always look at them and say ‘Yeah, but . . . they had this [salary cap] thing, how much of it was inappropriate, how much cheating went on, and how much did it help them during the course of some of those games?”
Frankly, we think we prefer an intellectually honest guy who can’t talk all that well (i.e., Emmitt Smith) to a former player who looks and sounds good as the horsesh-t is flowing from his mouth.
So, ESPN, we rescind our request that you fire Emmitt. But we beg you to fire Schlereth. Now.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Hey Florio,
Let’s not forget that 1998 Chiefs Divisional Rd Playoff game where Schlereth and fellow Broncos had lube all over their uniforms and the game was stopped while they were forced to wipe it off by the officials… That brings a lot of questions up, but it was an obvious attempt at breaking the rules…
BTW - If I remember correctly Marshall Faulk had a brilliant kick-off return in Super Bowl XXXVI where he ran out of bounds at the 7 yd line as opposed to letting the kick sail out of bounds.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Who says the footage has to be edited for Ernie Adams to examine? What’s the point of shooting
the clock then the down and distance then panning to the coaches? Its all down in fell swoop.
Trey Wingo hinted today on ESPN that Matt Estrella got caught by NFL security before he
could transport the tape to Ernie Adams.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Actually Schlereth was on Mike Felger’s show this afternoon and was asked that very question. It was something to the effect of, “…why shouldn’t the Broncos cheating on the salary cap and losing a draft pick and paying a fine not be considered in the same negative light as the videotaping scandal…?”
Schlereth’s response was basically that, if you knew the whole story, you would realize that the Broncos violation was really no big, and it was just some salary cap maneuvering that all teams do each season.
It was a stunning response, in the aftermath of his feigned disgust with the Pats, which really undermined his credibility. I wish I had a link to the audio, but maybe someone out there can get their hands on it and post it.
By the way, I am a Pats fan and I have no trouble admitting the team cheated. I don’t like it, but as BB would say, it is what it is. But please spare me all these sanctimonious ex-players (Schlereth, Chris Carter, Merrill Hoge), that act so offended that their sacred game has been violated by the evil Patriots. It is the absolute pinnacle of hypocrisy.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
schlereth is clearly spending too much time acting on the soaps as he seems to have contracted that amnesia soaps are so well known for. They use it when they run out of original thoughts and ideas actually that sounds like a prerequisite for employment at espn. Thanks to PDT for using what has become an increasingly rare journalistic tool-objectivity! Hate NE if you must, but admit that florio’s got a point.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
It is inapropriate to allege that Denver actually gained any competitive advantage on the field from their salary cap shenanigans during their Super Bowl run. The only way they broke the rules was by delaying the payment of John Elway’s salary for one season for a year and giving him it a year later plus interest. His salary was accounted for during the year the payment was delayed. They didn’t create any additional room under the cap by their actions, and therefore didn’t gain any competitive advantage.
The motivation for delaying Elway’s salary stemmed from cashflow problems that the team experienced during construction of their new stadium, not an attempt to circumvent the salary cap and bring in extra players. It is misleading to characterise their actions otherwise.
Furthermore I had expected to hear more from this website on the massive conflict of interest that stems from having the CEO of the NFL ‘investigate’ the Spygate debacle in the first place. As the CEO of the NFL it is his job and legal duty to protect the NFL’s interests, which in this matter would include preventing any further damage to the league reputation from any allegations of cheating by Super Bowl champions. If Goodell had found any evidence of cheating it would be his duty to his employers to minimise any possible damage caused by it.
I have no idea whether or not the outcomes of championship games were influenced by illicit activity by one team or another. Unfortunately I have very little faith in the current process in place to illuminate the matter. There is a distinct lack of transparency in this investigation; without greater transparency the entire exercise is pointless.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
KY, the Dynasty requirements have changed since the salary cap. 3 in 4 years = Dynasty.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
You guys just keep forgetting…no matter what can be pointed out about anything another team did, the Patriots have ADMITTED cheating throughout their Dynasty.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Aren’t you the pot calling the kettle (ESPN) black, Mike. You do the same things with stories that ESPN does.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Maybe I just own a super-dee-duper camcorder, but I get the same “edited” effect when I shoot a few seconds, pause, shoot a few more seconds, pause, etc.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
The sooner we all realize that ESPN is not a media outlet the better we will be. ESPN is an entertainment company veiled as media; similar to pro wrestling veiled as sport. As such, everything said and “reported” on ESPN is meant to drive ratings. They don’t actually believe any of it and are certainly not interested in facts or logic. The intelligent among us realize that and seek information at places like PFT.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Everyone wants to yell out “Bravo Florio!” and point out that what the Pats did was entirely legal. So, in other words, the Pats were punished and Belichick apologized for no reason? Of course they did something wrong and something, in my opinion, that NOT everybody does. Not that every team doesn’t try and cheat here and there, but if they get caught, they should feel the wrath of the NFL and pay for their crimes. I hate the Pats, but if the Jets got caught, they should pay the price, as well - and, it might be worth noting, they taped the Pats, too, but with New England’s permission! The fact that they asked and received it tells you something: that running a clandestine taping operation is against the rules and I’m happy the Patriots got penalized for it.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
WRONG…it is not legal to “train a camera on a sideline” period. Goodell said so himself. If the TV crew catches that stuff it is in the domain as useable.
Don’t try to change the facts.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Can’t we all get along??? I do agree with Brady about ESPN. Joe Morgan is horrible!!!
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
>>Schlereth is part of the ESPN agenda<<
Who established this agenda at ESPN?
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
FWIW, the reason to tape signals not for use in that game is:
1. Execution vs. call - did something your offense did cause a defender to misplay the down? Were some players freelancing? (You need to record the call and the actual play to compare). This has been a very under-reported aspect to this, but can be important, particularly if you are trying to define offensive calls that make it hard for defenders to read what you are doing pre or post snap. If you can catch a confused defender every so often, you want to record exactly under what play call and situation that occurred to try to repeat it.
2. Tendency analysis - do some coaches have tendencies or get lazy with their signals? The Pats are known to have a “book” on every coach and assistant in the NFL. With coach movement in the NFL, even if you won’t play that team again soon, it’s likely you’ll see some of those coaches again.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
DanFoutsBeard,
So the Pats would never play the Chargers again? If the Patriots taped all or most games, why would they not do it for the Chargers. They are a conference rival who they could have met again in the playoffs (and they have met 4 times since the Pats taped that game).
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Good for Brady- ESPN is for fair weather, non football educated fans and the coverage is sensationalized to conjure ratings.
I really like their college coverage though. Guys like Herbstreit are really stellar personalities.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
No one loves Florio and PFT as much as I do. Just ask my boss what he sees when he monitors my intenet usage. But come on Mike, to call for a man’s firing over some crap like this? That’s dumber than anything I’ve ever heard come out of Emmitt’s mouth!
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
James C,
Splitting hairs aren’t we? So what they did was effectively take salary for Elway and treat is as a bonus that could count against a prorated basis rather than the full amount of the salary counting against the cap in later years. Also, I don’t think the Broncos counted the interest vs. the cap. That is cheating the cap and as much of a BS excuse as Belichick misinterpreting the rules in my book. It did give the Broncos a competitive edge against the cap whether they want to admit it or not.
If they wanted just to fund Investco Field with help of Elway’s salary, they could have made the money from the original bonus that they defered into future salary for Elway and make that part guaranteed. It would have not affected the cap and ended in the same results. They chose to go a way that benefitted the cap.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
No one including Schlereth has given a credible way to review the tape at halftime and gain any benefit since it is raw footage that would need to be fast forwarded and rewound. Also, is it really in the best use of the coaching staff’s time trying to decifer a handful of signals rather than working on second half adjustments?
We are are talking about a 20 minutes at halftime including time to walk to and from the field and warm ups for the second half.
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Dear Robo769,
You are assuming they will keep the same signals for the next 5 seasons. It’s really hard for me to believe that teams don’t change their signals every season, even during the season. I could be wrong. You are certainly free to think that they don’t change signals and that footage was to prepare for the next time they would play in 2005.
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Ron in Charlotte, you need to get your facts straight. Absolutely NO VIDEO recordings are allowed.
Teams can use a camera and legally take still photos on each play and the sideline signals that could help in the in-game analysis of formations and alignments.
It’s all legal under NFL rules, with that one glaring stipulation: absolutely no video recordings allowed to tape an opponents signals and that’s because the technology allows for a quicker breakdown and a potential unfair advantage. So “train your cameras” all day long at the man sending in the defensive alignment.
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Mike you missed Tom Brady’s best comment where he likened ESPN to MTV but without the girls.
Question for Mark Schlereth. Were all those vicious chop blocks the Broncos perfected over the years “legal”?
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