Comments on: WOODSON THOUGHT HE’D BE A SECOND-ROUNDER http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:21:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: brewdog21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28213 brewdog21 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:44:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28213 Well, kids, in college, like the NFL, sometimes the offense around you matters as to your TD/INT ratio. And yeah, on paper a lot of things look great. But also, QBs don't go head to head (dick v with your Palko v. Flacco argument) and at the QB position, decision-making matters. If you can't ace your own pro-day then don't expect a big payday. Well, kids, in college, like the NFL, sometimes the offense around you matters as to your TD/INT ratio. And yeah, on paper a lot of things look great. But also, QBs don’t go head to head (dick v with your Palko v. Flacco argument) and at the QB position, decision-making matters. If you can’t ace your own pro-day then don’t expect a big payday.

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]]> By: dick v http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28193 dick v Tue, 13 May 2008 01:28:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28193 Wonderlic, bad pre snap reads, horrible throwing motion, horrible pro day, stunk at the senior bowl, not a leader,...etc. The kid can play football. I watched about five or six Kentucky games this year, and the kid kept them in every game. He made a lot of nice throws and seemed to be able to drive them down late every game. The SEC has some of the fastest defenses in College, and he was able to score at will against them. I am still shocked that Carolina and Chicago let this kid get by them after he lasted to the fourth. Matt Ryan through 19 picks in one season against a weaker big East schedule, and he is dubbed as the smart QB. Woodson dominated all year long, and all of sudden he is a dumb QB, he was a pocket QB. Joe Flacco could not beat out Tyler Palko at Pitt,but he makes some nice throws at the Senior Bowl and all of sudden he is a first round pick. Yeah Flacco looked nice at Delaware, but he could not cut the mustard at Pitt. Flacco being drafted on day 1 is a testament to whomever his agent is. Woodson falling to the Giants in the latter part of the draft is an indicator that his agent must suck. The Giants have a great young QB to back up Eli. They will probably end up getting a day one pick for trading the guy in 3 or 4 years. Wonderlic, bad pre snap reads, horrible throwing motion, horrible pro day, stunk at the senior bowl, not a leader,…etc. The kid can play football. I watched about five or six Kentucky games this year, and the kid kept them in every game. He made a lot of nice throws and seemed to be able to drive them down late every game. The SEC has some of the fastest defenses in College, and he was able to score at will against them. I am still shocked that Carolina and Chicago let this kid get by them after he lasted to the fourth.

Matt Ryan through 19 picks in one season against a weaker big East schedule, and he is dubbed as the smart QB. Woodson dominated all year long, and all of sudden he is a dumb QB, he was a pocket QB.

Joe Flacco could not beat out Tyler Palko at Pitt,but he makes some nice throws at the Senior Bowl and all of sudden he is a first round pick. Yeah Flacco looked nice at Delaware, but he could not cut the mustard at Pitt.

Flacco being drafted on day 1 is a testament to whomever his agent is. Woodson falling to the Giants in the latter part of the draft is an indicator that his agent must suck.

The Giants have a great young QB to back up Eli. They will probably end up getting a day one pick for trading the guy in 3 or 4 years.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28111 SeanMartin Mon, 12 May 2008 23:21:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28111 I'm still bewildered as to how Josh Johnson had a 43:1 TD to interception ratio. I CANNOT get over that. I’m still bewildered as to how Josh Johnson had a 43:1 TD to interception ratio. I CANNOT get over that.

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]]> By: brasho http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28078 brasho Mon, 12 May 2008 22:15:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28078 The NFL Advisory Board only speaks to potential early entries, Woodson was a senior... somebody please let the guy that wrote that borrow a brain. Chris from MD, why didn't the Bucs take Woodson instead of Josh Johnson? Are you serious? Woodson has a very slow release, Johnson's is lightning fast, Woodson is sacked far too often and has terrible footwork in the pocket, Josh Johnson is extremely nimble and has great feet in the pocket, Woodson played in the spread offense in college which doesn't prepare a guy for the NFL, Josh Johnson played in the WCO at San Diego-the same offense run in Tampa, Woodson looked and played like total crap at the Senior Bowl, Johnson was the clear cut star of the East-West game. What did/can Woodson do that Johnson didn't/can't? He's much bigger, but since when is a 6'3" QB considered too small for the WCO? Woodson has very good arm strength (with a dreadfully slow release), since when does arm strength matter over accuracy, release, footwork and the ability to read the defense in the WCO? Woodson played well in the SEC... how many Super Bowls have Danny Wuerffel, Quincy Carter, Tee Martin and Chris Leak combined to win? Woodson would be a dreadful fit in the WCO... Johnson's best fit is in the WCO... JJ going to Tampa makes perfect sense. The NFL Advisory Board only speaks to potential early entries, Woodson was a senior… somebody please let the guy that wrote that borrow a brain.

Chris from MD, why didn’t the Bucs take Woodson instead of Josh Johnson? Are you serious? Woodson has a very slow release, Johnson’s is lightning fast, Woodson is sacked far too often and has terrible footwork in the pocket, Josh Johnson is extremely nimble and has great feet in the pocket, Woodson played in the spread offense in college which doesn’t prepare a guy for the NFL, Josh Johnson played in the WCO at San Diego-the same offense run in Tampa, Woodson looked and played like total crap at the Senior Bowl, Johnson was the clear cut star of the East-West game. What did/can Woodson do that Johnson didn’t/can’t? He’s much bigger, but since when is a 6′3″ QB considered too small for the WCO? Woodson has very good arm strength (with a dreadfully slow release), since when does arm strength matter over accuracy, release, footwork and the ability to read the defense in the WCO? Woodson played well in the SEC… how many Super Bowls have Danny Wuerffel, Quincy Carter, Tee Martin and Chris Leak combined to win?

Woodson would be a dreadful fit in the WCO… Johnson’s best fit is in the WCO… JJ going to Tampa makes perfect sense.

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]]> By: seatofmypants http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28064 seatofmypants Mon, 12 May 2008 21:43:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28064 I think that if Carr wasn't able to beat out Matt Moore last year for the Panthers, then yes Carr is an abysmal backup I think that if Carr wasn’t able to beat out Matt Moore last year for the Panthers, then yes Carr is an abysmal backup

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]]> By: Honey Nut Florios http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28063 Honey Nut Florios Mon, 12 May 2008 21:39:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28063 I dont know why i still havent been drafted yet........ I dont know why i still havent been drafted yet……..

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]]> By: 26Hawk http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28019 26Hawk Mon, 12 May 2008 19:56:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28019 He has a lot of potential, but man is he raw. He needs at least a couple years on the sidelines to get a clue. That said, I think the Giants are a good spot for him. He can sit and learn, then be in position to play. He's real far from reazdy at this point. He has a lot of potential, but man is he raw. He needs at least a couple years on the sidelines to get a clue. That said, I think the Giants are a good spot for him. He can sit and learn, then be in position to play. He’s real far from reazdy at this point.

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]]> By: Referee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28009 Referee Mon, 12 May 2008 19:41:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28009 I guess he is a legend in his own mind... I guess he is a legend in his own mind…

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]]> By: tpower88 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28006 tpower88 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:36:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28006 He dropped bacause he couldn't make a presnap read by himself. Take his "best" game of the year against LSU. He did not make one presnap read by himself, as CBS kept saying that he was looking at the sidelines to make such reads. I'm sure that would fly in the NFL... He dropped bacause he couldn’t make a presnap read by himself. Take his “best” game of the year against LSU. He did not make one presnap read by himself, as CBS kept saying that he was looking at the sidelines to make such reads. I’m sure that would fly in the NFL…

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]]> By: cantgetenough http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28002 cantgetenough Mon, 12 May 2008 19:31:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28002 seatofmypants, a Cheerleader, says: "He also could upgrade the abysmal back ups that the Giants currently have." Is David Carr really so bad that he is an abysmal backup? seatofmypants, a Cheerleader, says:

“He also could upgrade the abysmal back ups that the Giants currently have.”

Is David Carr really so bad that he is an abysmal backup?

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]]> By: east96st http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28001 east96st Mon, 12 May 2008 19:30:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-28001 Isn't an agents job to reasonably temper a players expectations and level with him regarding his weaknesses, so he can do his best to address them prior to the draft? If he's paying someone a healthy chunk of his yearly salary, I think it's only fair if the agent sits him down and says - "accuracy is an issue, you need to put those doubts to bed at the Senior Bowl and/or the combine or you're going to sink like a rock in the draft.". If the player ignores the advice, well, then he has no one to blame but himself. It sounds like in this article that no one sat him down and told him the truth. High and wide don't go in the second round. Isn’t an agents job to reasonably temper a players expectations and level with him regarding his weaknesses, so he can do his best to address them prior to the draft? If he’s paying someone a healthy chunk of his yearly salary, I think it’s only fair if the agent sits him down and says - “accuracy is an issue, you need to put those doubts to bed at the Senior Bowl and/or the combine or you’re going to sink like a rock in the draft.”. If the player ignores the advice, well, then he has no one to blame but himself. It sounds like in this article that no one sat him down and told him the truth. High and wide don’t go in the second round.

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]]> By: ZN0rseman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27996 ZN0rseman Mon, 12 May 2008 19:20:42 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27996 Woodson had a joke Wonderlic score. He had a horrendous performance at the senior bowl. He has a terrible throwing motion. He didn't work out at the NFL scouting combine. His Proday workout in Kentucky was referred to by more than one scout as "terrible". I don't see why so many people were suprized to see him fall in the draft. Woodson had a joke Wonderlic score.
He had a horrendous performance at the senior bowl.
He has a terrible throwing motion.
He didn’t work out at the NFL scouting combine.
His Proday workout in Kentucky was referred to by more than one scout as “terrible”.

I don’t see why so many people were suprized to see him fall in the draft.

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27992 monger Mon, 12 May 2008 19:17:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27992 WTH? Didn't this guy have a coach? Somebody did this guy wrong. It's not that difficult for someone in the business to get an idea of roughly where he's going in the draft. They sure as hell would have been able to tell him he wasn't a first or second rounder. WTH? Didn’t this guy have a coach? Somebody did this guy wrong. It’s not that difficult for someone in the business to get an idea of roughly where he’s going in the draft. They sure as hell would have been able to tell him he wasn’t a first or second rounder.

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]]> By: Grulks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27989 Grulks Mon, 12 May 2008 19:16:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27989 I don't even know why players would answer the question of "Where do you think you'll be drafted?". Is asking the player where they'll be drafted supposed to make us like him more, supposed to actually help teams learn about them?? It's a very weak question...if you're really first round talent, everyone knows it. If you say first round, or even worse top ten, people will just think you are arrogant. And if you're not first round material, then asking that question is either just plain discourteous on the reporter's part, or it signifies the reporter is a dipsh*t and can't come up with intelligent questions. I don’t even know why players would answer the question of “Where do you think you’ll be drafted?”. Is asking the player where they’ll be drafted supposed to make us like him more, supposed to actually help teams learn about them??

It’s a very weak question…if you’re really first round talent, everyone knows it. If you say first round, or even worse top ten, people will just think you are arrogant. And if you’re not first round material, then asking that question is either just plain discourteous on the reporter’s part, or it signifies the reporter is a dipsh*t and can’t come up with intelligent questions.

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]]> By: FloriosPhillyFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27971 FloriosPhillyFan Mon, 12 May 2008 19:03:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27971 Wishful thinking never gets you anywhere. He should have said he didn't expect to get drafted. Wishful thinking never gets you anywhere. He should have said he didn’t expect to get drafted.

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]]> By: mikef76 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27957 mikef76 Mon, 12 May 2008 18:50:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27957 He may be a moron - I don't know. But crappy? He looked pretty dominant against some strong SEC defences. He made a contender out of a perennial nobody. I'm not sure about his arm strength or throwing motion at the NFL level either, but I really like his decision making... Chad Henne was a second rounder. He has sound mechanics and great arm strength, but ask any Michigan fan how they feel about his decision making or his ability to win a big game. I can't imagine that anyone who saw the two play feels that Henne has a much better chance of making it as a pro than Woodson, all things considered. He may be a moron - I don’t know.

But crappy? He looked pretty dominant against some strong SEC defences. He made a contender out of a perennial nobody. I’m not sure about his arm strength or throwing motion at the NFL level either, but I really like his decision making…

Chad Henne was a second rounder. He has sound mechanics and great arm strength, but ask any Michigan fan how they feel about his decision making or his ability to win a big game.

I can’t imagine that anyone who saw the two play feels that Henne has a much better chance of making it as a pro than Woodson, all things considered.

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]]> By: beastmode http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27950 beastmode Mon, 12 May 2008 18:37:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27950 I thought the NFL Advisory Committee was supposed to give each prospect an honest estimate of about what round they will be going. They're not always very accurate, but they're not usually off by more than 1 or 2 rounds. Could be that he just ignored them and bought into the hype. I thought the NFL Advisory Committee was supposed to give each prospect an honest estimate of about what round they will be going. They’re not always very accurate, but they’re not usually off by more than 1 or 2 rounds. Could be that he just ignored them and bought into the hype.

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]]> By: Rhode http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27947 Rhode Mon, 12 May 2008 18:24:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27947 In addition to being a crappy player, he's also apparently a moron. In addition to being a crappy player, he’s also apparently a moron.

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]]> By: bleedsorangeandbrown http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27936 bleedsorangeandbrown Mon, 12 May 2008 18:13:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27936 I guess the NY Football Giants are cornering the market on Kentucky Quarterbacks. When's Tim Couch coming in for a work out? I guess the NY Football Giants are cornering the market on Kentucky Quarterbacks. When’s Tim Couch coming in for a work out?

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27932 NonYahooHotmailAcct Mon, 12 May 2008 18:06:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27932 HAHA. You could just tell in the months leading up to the draft that this dude was gonna fall. I was thinking 4th or 5th round... but man... to be the man himself and think he was going in the 2nd?? wow. HAHA. You could just tell in the months leading up to the draft that this dude was gonna fall. I was thinking 4th or 5th round… but man… to be the man himself and think he was going in the 2nd?? wow.

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]]> By: cliffclav http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27931 cliffclav Mon, 12 May 2008 18:06:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27931 He got it all wrong... It was the Sasketchewan Roughriders.. Second round pick in the CFL. Or was it the Red Rockets?... Oh well those darned Canadiens.. He got it all wrong… It was the Sasketchewan Roughriders.. Second round pick in the CFL. Or was it the Red Rockets?… Oh well those darned Canadiens..

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]]> By: sorethumb http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27928 sorethumb Mon, 12 May 2008 17:56:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27928 just a bit high and outside. just a bit high and outside.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27922 SeanMartin Mon, 12 May 2008 17:42:33 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27922 This really is surprising. I am neutral with Woodson, but you have to appreciate what he did in the SEC. 7000+ passing yards, 71 touchdowns to only 18 interceptions and with a 63% completion rate his Jr and Sr seasons. He has the size (6'5" 230), but not necessarily the arm strength. Here's a guy who went 35-50 for 412 yards and 5 touchdowns and no interceptions against the defending NCAA champions. I'm not sure he was looked at as the leader of his team though, and maybe that had something to do with it. This really is surprising. I am neutral with Woodson, but you have to appreciate what he did in the SEC. 7000+ passing yards, 71 touchdowns to only 18 interceptions and with a 63% completion rate his Jr and Sr seasons. He has the size (6′5″ 230), but not necessarily the arm strength.

Here’s a guy who went 35-50 for 412 yards and 5 touchdowns and no interceptions against the defending NCAA champions.

I’m not sure he was looked at as the leader of his team though, and maybe that had something to do with it.

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]]> By: seatofmypants http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27921 seatofmypants Mon, 12 May 2008 17:42:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27921 As I see it, great choice by the Giants. If he makes the team, and plays well - The G-Men can spin him in a trade like Hasselbeck, MAtt Schaub, AJ Feeley, etc... He also could upgrade the abysmal back ups that the Giants currently have. If he does not make the team, they took a flyer on a talented player, with only a 6th round pick. Win Win As I see it, great choice by the Giants. If he makes the team, and plays well - The G-Men can spin him in a trade like Hasselbeck, MAtt Schaub, AJ Feeley, etc… He also could upgrade the abysmal back ups that the Giants currently have.

If he does not make the team, they took a flyer on a talented player, with only a 6th round pick.

Win Win

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]]> By: Hokies2008 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27920 Hokies2008 Mon, 12 May 2008 17:37:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27920 Two words: Shyrone Stith. Two words: Shyrone Stith.

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]]> By: tgoods http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27919 tgoods Mon, 12 May 2008 17:36:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27919 dream, dream, dream dream, dream, dream

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]]> By: www.tymforahouse.com http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27917 www.tymforahouse.com Mon, 12 May 2008 17:30:11 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27917 Im still wondering why the Bucs would draft any QB at this point. Im still wondering why the Bucs would draft any QB at this point.

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]]> By: NFL Rumors http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27912 NFL Rumors Mon, 12 May 2008 17:20:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27912 Wasn't he supposed to be a first round pick in the middle of the season? Teams must have really not liked that throwing motion of his. Wasn’t he supposed to be a first round pick in the middle of the season?

Teams must have really not liked that throwing motion of his.

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]]> By: unga http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27910 unga Mon, 12 May 2008 17:08:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27910 Haha. Kerplunk! Haha. Kerplunk!

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]]> By: Chris from MD http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27907 Chris from MD Mon, 12 May 2008 17:00:44 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27907 I'm still at a loss as to why the Bucs didn't draft him instead of Josh Johnson I’m still at a loss as to why the Bucs didn’t draft him instead of Josh Johnson

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]]> By: diehardbearsfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27906 diehardbearsfan Mon, 12 May 2008 16:56:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/12/woodson-thought-hed-be-a-second-rounder/#comment-27906 Poor guy would have been a first round pick if he just didn't suck it up so horribly at the senior bowl. Poor guy would have been a first round pick if he just didn’t suck it up so horribly at the senior bowl.

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