Comments on: JACKSON LOOKS FORWARD TO PAYDAY http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:24:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28260 wingnut Tue, 13 May 2008 03:54:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28260 We have a little bit of plagiarism going on around here. Wingnut: We have a little bit of plagiarism going on around here.

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]]> By: brewdog21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28243 brewdog21 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:58:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28243 Subzero, Modestly I concede and stand corrected. Missing 25% of a year isn't significant at all, and as you keep saying, he has never been arrested. I use this forum to please beg the St. Louis Rams to reward Lord Steven Jackson with the grandest contract of all! I hope we can all aspire to be not only such a model football player, but a model human being. God, bless you, Steven Jackson, and also you, Subzero, for helping us all see the light. Subzero,

Modestly I concede and stand corrected. Missing 25% of a year isn’t significant at all, and as you keep saying, he has never been arrested.

I use this forum to please beg the St. Louis Rams to reward Lord Steven Jackson with the grandest contract of all! I hope we can all aspire to be not only such a model football player, but a model human being. God, bless you, Steven Jackson, and also you, Subzero, for helping us all see the light.

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28232 subzero2401 Tue, 13 May 2008 02:38:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28232 axe, that's actually pretty funny, but I think you're missing the point. If you are as good at your job as Steven Jackson is at his, then by all means go into your boss's office and ask for your raise. If not, then you can still come back here and post a joke or two, but don't quit your day job. axe, that’s actually pretty funny, but I think you’re missing the point. If you are as good at your job as Steven Jackson is at his, then by all means go into your boss’s office and ask for your raise. If not, then you can still come back here and post a joke or two, but don’t quit your day job.

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]]> By: axeman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28222 axeman Tue, 13 May 2008 02:04:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28222 I've been a pretty good guy outside of work and I am going to ask for a raise tomorrow. I’ve been a pretty good guy outside of work and I am going to ask for a raise tomorrow.

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28197 subzero2401 Tue, 13 May 2008 01:30:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28197 Brewdog, Let's analyze this...Jackson will be 25, that's right 25 on July 22nd. His career yards per carry average is a more than healthy 4.4. And as for his "imjury history" he's missed 5 games in his career due to injury. Again, the guy is a hard worker with a positive attitude, who has been a model citizen on and off the field. That's what he's done for you lately. He's earned himself the big payday that he will inevitably get from the Rams...or if they're truly foolish enough to let it come to that, someone else. Brewdog,

Let’s analyze this…Jackson will be 25, that’s right 25 on July 22nd. His career yards per carry average is a more than healthy 4.4. And as for his “imjury history” he’s missed 5 games in his career due to injury. Again, the guy is a hard worker with a positive attitude, who has been a model citizen on and off the field. That’s what he’s done for you lately. He’s earned himself the big payday that he will inevitably get from the Rams…or if they’re truly foolish enough to let it come to that, someone else.

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]]> By: brewdog21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28162 brewdog21 Tue, 13 May 2008 00:49:18 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28162 His attitude doesn't need adjusting it's his approach. Warrick Dunn has been THE model citizen in the NFL. You see anyone breaking the bank for him? Look here's the deal (because I've tired of using the phrase "bottom line"), it's great that he's a good person and all, but at the end of the day this is a 'what have you done for me lately' league. He got paid first round bonus money on his first contract and probably earned it. But with his position and now injury history, it doesn't make a lot of sense in the salary cap era to overpay for a RB. His attitude doesn’t need adjusting it’s his approach. Warrick Dunn has been THE model citizen in the NFL. You see anyone breaking the bank for him?

Look here’s the deal (because I’ve tired of using the phrase “bottom line”), it’s great that he’s a good person and all, but at the end of the day this is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league. He got paid first round bonus money on his first contract and probably earned it. But with his position and now injury history, it doesn’t make a lot of sense in the salary cap era to overpay for a RB.

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28094 subzero2401 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:55:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28094 What has Jackson done to make you think his attitude needs adjusting? He's always been a hard worker with a positive attitude. He's been a model NFL player on and off the field. I'm a little confused... What has Jackson done to make you think his attitude needs adjusting? He’s always been a hard worker with a positive attitude. He’s been a model NFL player on and off the field. I’m a little confused…

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]]> By: Wellsee http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28000 Wellsee Mon, 12 May 2008 19:29:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-28000 Monger, I think that is a great point. A rookie slotting pay scale sounds great in its simplicity, but there is a big difference in when players start to make impacts -- and start taking impacts. A RB can have taken 2,000 hits by the time his initial contract is up (25 touches, 16 games, 5 seasons), while a QB or WR is still "young" at their position -- and looking for their payday. It is two very different situations. I hadn't thought about that. So what options are there? Of the top of my head... ... heavy performance incentives. That would make it tough to handle with the salary cap, since future performance is unknown. ... different slotted payouts based on draft position *and* player position? Good luck getting agreement on that one. ... ways for rookies to cut short contracts, like through performance escalators? Again, there could be salary cap ramifications especially with large signing bonuses. But with a rookie pay scale, maybe those bonuses wouldn't be that large. ... shorter rookie contracts, like only 3 years? I like this one best, after about a minute of thought. Smaller upfront investment by teams in terms of signing bonuses reduces (somewhat) the idea of a team not getting its investment back with a short contract. Pressure on the young players to compete for the real windfall contract. Anyway, thanks for giving me something to think about. Monger, I think that is a great point. A rookie slotting pay scale sounds great in its simplicity, but there is a big difference in when players start to make impacts — and start taking impacts. A RB can have taken 2,000 hits by the time his initial contract is up (25 touches, 16 games, 5 seasons), while a QB or WR is still “young” at their position — and looking for their payday. It is two very different situations. I hadn’t thought about that.

So what options are there? Of the top of my head…

… heavy performance incentives. That would make it tough to handle with the salary cap, since future performance is unknown.

… different slotted payouts based on draft position *and* player position? Good luck getting agreement on that one.

… ways for rookies to cut short contracts, like through performance escalators? Again, there could be salary cap ramifications especially with large signing bonuses. But with a rookie pay scale, maybe those bonuses wouldn’t be that large.

… shorter rookie contracts, like only 3 years? I like this one best, after about a minute of thought. Smaller upfront investment by teams in terms of signing bonuses reduces (somewhat) the idea of a team not getting its investment back with a short contract. Pressure on the young players to compete for the real windfall contract.

Anyway, thanks for giving me something to think about.

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]]> By: RedbullnRaiders http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27986 RedbullnRaiders Mon, 12 May 2008 19:14:02 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27986 It's always risky to drop dollars on a running back. Steven Jackson is one I would feel confident in, but it seems like his attitude needs adjusting. It’s always risky to drop dollars on a running back. Steven Jackson is one I would feel confident in, but it seems like his attitude needs adjusting.

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]]> By: FloriosPhillyFan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27985 FloriosPhillyFan Mon, 12 May 2008 19:12:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27985 “But as the Seahawks (with Shaun Alexander), the Cardinals (with Edgerrin James), and the Chiefs (with Larry Johnson) have learned, tailbacks shouldn’t be paid based on past performance.” True. “But as the Seahawks (with Shaun Alexander), the Cardinals (with Edgerrin James), and the Chiefs (with Larry Johnson) have learned, tailbacks shouldn’t be paid based on past performance.”

True.

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]]> By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27844 monger Mon, 12 May 2008 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27844 "But as the Seahawks (with Shaun Alexander), the Cardinals (with Edgerrin James), and the Chiefs (with Larry Johnson) have learned, tailbacks shouldn’t be paid based on past performance." Make up your damn mind. On draft day you say guys who haven't done anything in the NFL shouldn't get paid huge dollars, they should prove themselves. Now in this article you're saying tailbacks shouldn't get paid based on their past performance. Then in the posting about Reggie Williams you're wringing your hands over guys who maybe stayed in the league too long. Running backs take as much if not more pounding than any other position. Just when exactly are these guys supposed to get paid according to you? “But as the Seahawks (with Shaun Alexander), the Cardinals (with Edgerrin James), and the Chiefs (with Larry Johnson) have learned, tailbacks shouldn’t be paid based on past performance.”

Make up your damn mind. On draft day you say guys who haven’t done anything in the NFL shouldn’t get paid huge dollars, they should prove themselves. Now in this article you’re saying tailbacks shouldn’t get paid based on their past performance. Then in the posting about Reggie Williams you’re wringing your hands over guys who maybe stayed in the league too long. Running backs take as much if not more pounding than any other position. Just when exactly are these guys supposed to get paid according to you?

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]]> By: brewdog21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27821 brewdog21 Mon, 12 May 2008 12:45:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27821 Good points all around. The good old "if it's so easy why aren't we all doing it" line. You're worth what the market says you're worth and not getting arrested shouldn't be an added reason to give a guy a big deal, it should be the expectation of everyone in the league. Running Back is the most expendable position on the field, and you're only one mistep or one cheap shot away 30 plus times a game from never playing again. So, sorry RB, but why should a team spend a ton of money at a position that they'll have to turn over in a year or two? Good points all around. The good old “if it’s so easy why aren’t we all doing it” line. You’re worth what the market says you’re worth and not getting arrested shouldn’t be an added reason to give a guy a big deal, it should be the expectation of everyone in the league. Running Back is the most expendable position on the field, and you’re only one mistep or one cheap shot away 30 plus times a game from never playing again. So, sorry RB, but why should a team spend a ton of money at a position that they’ll have to turn over in a year or two?

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]]> By: keleagles http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27777 keleagles Mon, 12 May 2008 03:55:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27777 I'm still mad at him for being a fantasy bust for me last year... I’m still mad at him for being a fantasy bust for me last year…

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]]> By: subzero2401 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27771 subzero2401 Mon, 12 May 2008 03:33:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27771 I love how some of you guys make it seem like what Steven Jackson does for a living is easy...why aren't you all doing it then? If a player performs the way he has, stays out of trouble, and expects to be rewarded handsomely, how can you argue with that? That is and should be the mndset of the modern NFL running back. I love how some of you guys make it seem like what Steven Jackson does for a living is easy…why aren’t you all doing it then? If a player performs the way he has, stays out of trouble, and expects to be rewarded handsomely, how can you argue with that? That is and should be the mndset of the modern NFL running back.

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]]> By: brewdog21 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27745 brewdog21 Mon, 12 May 2008 01:37:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27745 So, you do your job on the field to the expectations of your signing bonus, and on top of that, you don't get arrested, so you should be rewarded handsomely? Welcome to the mindset of the modern NFL RB. So, you do your job on the field to the expectations of your signing bonus, and on top of that, you don’t get arrested, so you should be rewarded handsomely? Welcome to the mindset of the modern NFL RB.

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]]> By: screaming sheep http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27739 screaming sheep Mon, 12 May 2008 01:02:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27739 With the first pick in the 2008 Fantasy draft, Screaming Sheep selects Steven Jackson, RB, St. Louis Rams. Got to love running for a contract. With the first pick in the 2008 Fantasy draft, Screaming Sheep selects Steven Jackson, RB, St. Louis Rams.
Got to love running for a contract.

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]]> By: theron26 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27730 theron26 Mon, 12 May 2008 00:44:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27730 If ya want a player that is outperforming his contract lookup #36 B. Westbrook from Philadelphia. And I don't hear him saying he needs to be rewarded. If ya want a player that is outperforming his contract lookup #36 B. Westbrook from Philadelphia. And I don’t hear him saying he needs to be rewarded.

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]]> By: madmax http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27724 madmax Mon, 12 May 2008 00:27:59 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27724 Maybe Adrian Petersons rookie contract should be ripped up and redone? Oh wait, they gave him a huge signing bonus to haul the ball and he is earning it. Jacksons contract was huge also and he was earning it too. Can these players just learn to get by on the millions of dollars these teams pay them? How much is enough? We all can't be lawyers!!! Maybe Adrian Petersons rookie contract should be ripped up and redone? Oh wait, they gave him a huge signing bonus to haul the ball and he is earning it. Jacksons contract was huge also and he was earning it too. Can these players just learn to get by on the millions of dollars these teams pay them? How much is enough? We all can’t be lawyers!!!

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]]> By: go screw http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27723 go screw Mon, 12 May 2008 00:26:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27723 Pay the man he one of the good ones. Pay the man he one of the good ones.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27709 wingnut Sun, 11 May 2008 23:26:14 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27709 Ricky Willams when he was with the Dolphins he would carry the ball 50+ times. During a game he saw Earl Campell being wheeled onto the feild due to the fact he can hardly walk. I believe thats when his attitude changed. RB deserve to get paid because they get beat to hell but at the same time there are your Shaun Alexanders who got paid then loafed.I believe so he can stay healthy so he can enjoy his money.Pay Jackson he deserves it but remember "Buyer Beware" Ricky Willams when he was with the Dolphins he would carry the ball 50+ times. During a game he saw Earl Campell being wheeled onto the feild due to the fact he can hardly walk. I believe thats when his attitude changed. RB deserve to get paid because they get beat to hell but at the same time there are your Shaun Alexanders who got paid then loafed.I believe so he can stay healthy so he can enjoy his money.Pay Jackson he deserves it but remember “Buyer Beware”

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]]> By: Super Florio http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27706 Super Florio Sun, 11 May 2008 23:15:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27706 Best dressed in the NFL? He's no Amani Toomer... and I'm no Giants fan. Best dressed in the NFL? He’s no Amani Toomer… and I’m no Giants fan.

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]]> By: unga http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27694 unga Sun, 11 May 2008 22:38:47 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27694 It's not worth paying him tons of money. RB's break down too easily. The running back position seems to be easy to interchange people in and out of. It’s not worth paying him tons of money. RB’s break down too easily. The running back position seems to be easy to interchange people in and out of.

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]]> By: bonecity7 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27693 bonecity7 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:38:03 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27693 The Rams are gonna need a big year from Jackson to out-perform the cheating 49ers in their division. How can anybody be expected to beat a team that cheats? The Rams are gonna need a big year from Jackson to out-perform the cheating 49ers in their division. How can anybody be expected to beat a team that cheats?

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]]> By: orphan93 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27684 orphan93 Sun, 11 May 2008 22:05:07 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27684 Jackson is very good with a supporting cast. Half his bluster last year was because he was not meeting PR standards. He could be a leader of this Rams team but he is more concerned about number one. Jackson is very good with a supporting cast. Half his bluster last year was because he was not meeting PR standards. He could be a leader of this Rams team but he is more concerned about number one.

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]]> By: Zerfas http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27680 Zerfas Sun, 11 May 2008 21:51:45 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27680 I think the Rams will pony up for Jackson. He's a strong running back and has earned a nice pay day. He'll have a good year with a better line and healthy QB in front of him this year. I think the Rams will pony up for Jackson. He’s a strong running back and has earned a nice pay day. He’ll have a good year with a better line and healthy QB in front of him this year.

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]]> By: renaissancemanrt http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27676 renaissancemanrt Sun, 11 May 2008 21:44:30 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27676 The running back position is so crazy. Play after play, usually 1 guy, 60 or 70% of the time, is getting tackled probably 200 to 300 times a season, year after year. Look at wide-receivers - they work as a unit to get the passing game going. A wide-receiver might catch 5 passes in a game, and might be only tackled 5 times -- running backs, seems like we expect them to get nailed 25 times a game. There needs to be a more consistent 2-back league, not only in the way the league is run, but in the perception. Fans shouldn't want to cash all their chips in 1 good running back, but rather, have 2 1,000 yard running backs a year. The running back position is so crazy. Play after play, usually 1 guy, 60 or 70% of the time, is getting tackled probably 200 to 300 times a season, year after year.

Look at wide-receivers - they work as a unit to get the passing game going. A wide-receiver might catch 5 passes in a game, and might be only tackled 5 times — running backs, seems like we expect them to get nailed 25 times a game.

There needs to be a more consistent 2-back league, not only in the way the league is run, but in the perception. Fans shouldn’t want to cash all their chips in 1 good running back, but rather, have 2 1,000 yard running backs a year.

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]]> By: wingnut http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27651 wingnut Sun, 11 May 2008 19:15:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27651 " I think Ive ben a good person on and off the feild so I expect to be rewared" What kind of a statement is that! What he hasnt been arrested,and he does his job. I feel the same where's my reward. ” I think Ive ben a good person on and off the feild so I expect to be rewared” What kind of a statement is that! What he hasnt been arrested,and he does his job. I feel the same where’s my reward.

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]]> By: NonYahooHotmailAcct http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27650 NonYahooHotmailAcct Sun, 11 May 2008 19:14:16 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27650 They should give him his money but use Brian Leonard more to keep him from getting old and rusty. They should give him his money but use Brian Leonard more to keep him from getting old and rusty.

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]]> By: SeanMartin http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27649 SeanMartin Sun, 11 May 2008 19:12:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/11/jackson-looks-forward-to-payday/#comment-27649 Jackson has a pretty good work ethic, which I don't think will be interrupted by pay. I think Jackson is a different story than the three aforementioned players. Holmes was buried by Larry Johnson's emergence (which was sort of stalled; I remember him having HIGH praise for his 200-yard games at PSU, and then he disappeared for 1.5 years). Alexander battled injuries left and right. He was very consistent before his MVP season, and I think it was the injuries not the money that got him. James left Indy to go to Arizona (where he still had over 1100 yards both seasons, which is pretty impressive taking into consideration their passing production). I think Jackson has a hunger for winning, and he has something to prove after being injured last year. But who knows? Jackson was a high profile character coming out of the Pac-10 who might think too highly of himself. I always thought he was the best dressed in the NFL. Jackson has a pretty good work ethic, which I don’t think will be interrupted by pay. I think Jackson is a different story than the three aforementioned players. Holmes was buried by Larry Johnson’s emergence (which was sort of stalled; I remember him having HIGH praise for his 200-yard games at PSU, and then he disappeared for 1.5 years). Alexander battled injuries left and right. He was very consistent before his MVP season, and I think it was the injuries not the money that got him. James left Indy to go to Arizona (where he still had over 1100 yards both seasons, which is pretty impressive taking into consideration their passing production). I think Jackson has a hunger for winning, and he has something to prove after being injured last year. But who knows? Jackson was a high profile character coming out of the Pac-10 who might think too highly of himself. I always thought he was the best dressed in the NFL.

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