More and more media outlets are locking onto the report that the New England Patriots’ habit of videotaping defensive coaching signals also included at least one instance of videotaping of offensive coaching signals.
Bob Glauber of Newsday is the most recent writer to “confirm” this practice, pointing to a game between the Pats and the Dolphins from 2001.
But what of the reality that offensive coaching signals became unnecessary once the quarterbacks were equipped with radio receivers in their helmets? Why isn’t the media addressing this fairly significant distinction between NFL offenses and NFL defenses?
We’re not saying that the tapes Walsh turned over don’t include evidence of the taping of offensive coaching signals. But given that there was (and is) no reason for teams to use offensive coaching signals, there is (and was) no reason to believe that a tape of offensive coaching signals exists. And our point is that someone in the media should at least mention the fact that, on the surface, the notion that offensive signals were videotaped seems odd, given the use of the radio receivers.
But maybe there are folks in the press who are disappointed by the fact that, like Al Capone’s vault 22 years ago, the videotapes turned over by Matt Walsh don’t contain anything good — like, for example, images of the Rams’ walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI. And maybe those same folks hope to fill that void by rushing to judgment on something that technically is beyond the scope of the activities for which the Pats previously have been punished.
So maybe that’s why some reporters aren’t letting concepts like, you know, reality and common sense get in the way on this one.
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Yeah some NFL bloggers are guilty of that, too. Not to mention any names, of course.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
The only way it would be useful is for the Patriots to have “technical difficulties” with the radio equipment at Gillette Stadium.Then both teams would have to put away the radio equipment and use hand signals.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
The one thing you seem to be forgetting are the reports of the visiting teams “unreliable” radio receivers at Foxboro.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Headset problems during the game could be the reason why the Fins used offensive signals.
And if there’s a tape of such a thing, then its possible that the Pats had something to do with the headset problems and knew in advance that the Fins were going to be using offensive signals for the game….
… or it could just be a mislabeled tape…
Either way, I just wish this would be over with!
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I keep hearing about what was not on Walsh tapes, but what exactly was on them?
What about the whole espionage effort NE was conducting would make anyone think they were just taping D coordinators for use in future matchups? They were trying to steal everything and anything they could to win. That most definitly included offensive audible calls.
How else could they have shut down Peyton and the boys so easily with sub par Cbs and defense. They also played as far over the percieved talent as the offense.
I think it is safe to just assume the worst and move on. They admit cheating all the way back to 2000. How much cheating, how much it helped them, what is on what tape or he said she said at this point is irrelavant in my view.
The fact that a Senator is questioning how the NFL handled the thing is not a problem to me. I don’t think destroying the evidence was a very smart thing to do if you really want to make the story go away. That more than anything made me assume what ever there was was so damaging they were willing to take the suspicion and bad PR rather than admit the truth.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
If the Patriots would have “technical difficulties” with the radio equipment at their stadium,then both teams would be required to remove the radio equipment and use hand signals.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Part of the NFL’s Sept. 13 release said the Pats were being disciplined for……. “violating the rule about taping offensive and defensive signals.”
Again, already been ruled and disciplined on.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Florio! The Pats were punished for videotaping fromt he sidelines NOT for videotaping defensive signals nor for taping offensive signals so NO it is not beyond the scope of what they were punished for nor has there been anything to suggest that they violated any additional rules. C’mon man this is basic.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Jeez, man. You’re letting the facts (that QB’s have the headsets) get in the way of the media’s demonizing of the Patriots.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
If a team was using offensive signals, even though that method is obsolete, and the Patriots taped these signals, then it constitutes a breaking of the rules. It doesn’t matter if the Dolphins are ar-tards for using the signals. The Patriots broke another set of rules, and deserve punishment.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
It would be interesting to see if there is a higher rate of headset outages at Gillette than at other stadiums. If there is not, then you’re right…there’s not much of a story here. If there is, then this may be an indication of a deeper level of systematic cheating.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
While you’re right about offensive coaching systems and the radio helmet, maybe there is another angle to this - have you never seen a QB making signals to his WRs to communicate some sort of audible, option route or blitz pickup? Prior knowldege of these signals might be a big help to defensive players.
Just a thought.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
The league didn’t emphasize the rule into 2006. All of the other crap was from before then. Belichick is hated by the media and that is the source of the latest piling on, especially from Glauber.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
It just goes to show that the media is not interested in getting to the truth in this story, they are only interested in getting to the scandal. This further exposes the sorry state of journalism today. The media only wants to show the truth when it sizzles. Otherwise, they want to manufacture scandals. It isn’t unique to Spygate or sports media, but this is an extreme case of what is wrong with the media today.
The fact of the matter is that the Pats were punished for filming opposing teams sidelines. Whether it was offensive or defensive signals is splitting hairs is a desperate attempt to keep the controversy that is obviously ending on Tuesday. Besides, there was a loophole in the rule that was closed in 2006 that made it legal to film signals anyway as long as you didn’t use it in games.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Videotaping offensive and defensive signals are the same offense: Use of videotaping equipment on the sidelines. I think people forget that that is the offense. Stealing signals is not. Stealing signals in other varieties of forms is probably common practice. The Pats used an illegal form and got punished. I don’t see how this is a different offense.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Besides, in Glauber’s piece, the League stated on Friday that the punishment received last year covered offensive signals along with defensive signals. So. Glauber raises the theory that this is beyond the scope of the original punishment and then shoots down his own theory. Sensational journalism for the sake of sensation.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
The reason this is gathering steam is the issue of LYING.
They continued to treat this problem as an attack on their organization.
Saying that everybody steal signals is a modern-day copout.
This was an institutional problem. The Patriots made this problem an everyday policy knowing it was wrong AND even after being warned.
What’s to say they are not still taping and liying about it.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
“So maybe that’s why some reporters aren’t letting concepts like you know, reality and common sense get in the way on this one.”
Maybe? try 100% fact. These losers are trying to both sell papers and find a story where there is none. The rest is just jealousy and envy piling on. I love Dungy questioning the “integrity of the game” in regards to spygate when last year he took out all of his starters in the 1st quarter against Tenn essentially knocking the Browns out of the playoffs, yea that’s the epitome of integrity isn’t it Tony.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Didn’t coaches who played in Gillette Stadium complain about mysteriously losing radio communications?
To me stealing offensive signals would be much more useful as they would be much more simple to understand and the odds that a team would change its offensive signals throughout the season would be slim to none.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The failure of the media to actually explain what the Pats were caught doing allows media and fans who dont know the game to blow this way out of proportion. Jimmy Johnson comes out and admits he taped during his coaching years, which would “taint” the cowboys two superbowl victories, but you dont hear that. You dont hear ESPN explaining what a defensive signal is, and zero explanation on how a team could steal offensive signals. It’s the simple joy of building a team up then knocking them.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I dont mind that the Patroits streched the rules to win. One should do everything within ones power to gain an edge in any contest. A little Tsun Zhu can go a long way. If there is grey area in the rules exploit it. I don’t want to hear anything about the integrity of the game, there is no integrity left in the NFL.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
The fact that they took the time to tape the offensive signals tells me there may be an advantage to gain…This whole thing STINKS and the more it goes on, the more it seems things are being covered up by the NFL AND TARNISHES THE GAME…this whole thing has been mishandled from the begining…Who makes comments and releases statements befor you even talk to the guy. The smells going to get worse way before it gets better.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
TBR05,
Read the article Glauber wrote. The league has said that offensive signals are covered by the original punishment. No new rules were broken.
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May 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
SRP,
The Miami game that Walsh turned over was played in Miami.
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May 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Ca_Viking,
Where was it said that the Pats lied about taping offensive signals? The only thing that has come out about what the Pats said was Greg Aeillo stating that what Walsh turned over was consistent with what the Patriots told Goodell. That implies that the Patriots admitting to taping offensive signals.
People need to stop looking for split hairs to try to find scandal.
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