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Comments on: MORE EVIDENCE THAT WALSH WAS TOMASE’S SOURCE http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:16:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27875 monger Mon, 12 May 2008 15:44:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27875 Like I've been saying all along, Walsh shot off his mouth to make an impression and make himself look a lot more important than he is. Tomase ran with it. Sometimes where there's smoke, it's just a kid with a cigarette in the bathroom trying to be cool. Like I’ve been saying all along, Walsh shot off his mouth to make an impression and make himself look a lot more important than he is. Tomase ran with it. Sometimes where there’s smoke, it’s just a kid with a cigarette in the bathroom trying to be cool.

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]]> By: Scout http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27820 Scout Mon, 12 May 2008 12:45:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27820 There is no obligation on the media to protect a source that lied to you. Tomase SHOULD out his source...it'll send a message to "unnamed sources" who can slander, allege, or lie and hide behind their anonymity. There is no obligation on the media to protect a source that lied to you. Tomase SHOULD out his source…it’ll send a message to “unnamed sources” who can slander, allege, or lie and hide behind their anonymity.

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]]> By: bradtor777 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27659 bradtor777 Sun, 11 May 2008 20:15:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27659 It's immaterial whether Tomase discloses his source, and I don't think he should be forced to do so. Essentially, if no evidence is produced to corroborate the allegations in Tomase's notorious pre-Super Bowl story, we can all safely assume that the source was exploiting the situation for his own spurious ends, whatever the malign motivation. The source either was Walsh the golf pro or somebody else who had reason, real or imagined, to make the Patriots' lives difficult before the big game. In any event, considering that the source was selling nothing but misinformation, it doesn't matter now. It's a non-story, except to the extent that it reflects badly on Tomase's rushed and shoddy journalistic practices. It’s immaterial whether Tomase discloses his source, and I don’t think he should be forced to do so.

Essentially, if no evidence is produced to corroborate the allegations in Tomase’s notorious pre-Super Bowl story, we can all safely assume that the source was exploiting the situation for his own spurious ends, whatever the malign motivation. The source either was Walsh the golf pro or somebody else who had reason, real or imagined, to make the Patriots’ lives difficult before the big game.

In any event, considering that the source was selling nothing but misinformation, it doesn’t matter now. It’s a non-story, except to the extent that it reflects badly on Tomase’s rushed and shoddy journalistic practices.

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]]> By: Mephistopholes http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27500 Mephistopholes Sun, 11 May 2008 03:27:37 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27500 NR4 writes: "sounds like someone touched a nerve Mephistopholes. One doth protest a little too much. …* snicker" touched a nerve, sure. One can stomach only so much foolishness a day, though given the sheer volume on the internet these days, I might as well just stick to the t.v., wait...that won't work either. A cave perhaps? I'll just get back to the books. NR4 writes: “sounds like someone touched a nerve Mephistopholes. One doth protest a little too much. …* snicker”

touched a nerve, sure. One can stomach only so much foolishness a day, though given the sheer volume on the internet these days, I might as well just stick to the t.v., wait…that won’t work either. A cave perhaps?

I’ll just get back to the books.

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]]> By: NR4 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27471 NR4 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:25:28 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27471 Jeremiah W. writes: “They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined.” Worse than anyone imagined? If you’ve paid any attention to the seething mob, then you would be aware that people have imagined some rather incredible conspiracies concerning the potential extent and implications of the Patriots videotaping practices. ...per poster Mephistopholes. ...sounds like someone touched a nerve Mephistopholes. One doth protest a little too much. ...* snicker Jeremiah W. writes: “They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined.”

Worse than anyone imagined? If you’ve paid any attention to the seething mob, then you would be aware that people have imagined some rather incredible conspiracies concerning the potential extent and implications of the Patriots videotaping practices. …per poster Mephistopholes.
…sounds like someone touched a nerve Mephistopholes. One doth protest a little too much. …* snicker

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]]> By: Superfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27464 Superfan Sat, 10 May 2008 23:57:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27464 Shackman, the only way it would dry up is if someone added pudding mix to and Tomase ate it. Shackman, the only way it would dry up is if someone added pudding mix to and Tomase ate it.

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]]> By: Shackman http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27417 Shackman Sat, 10 May 2008 21:02:58 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27417 Please forgive me if I'm way off base on this, but if Tomase were to give up a source, even one who fed him bad information, his remaining pond of sources would just dry up and cease to exist, no? Please forgive me if I’m way off base on this, but if Tomase were to give up a source, even one who fed him bad information, his remaining pond of sources would just dry up and cease to exist, no?

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]]> By: AngelaF http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27396 AngelaF Sat, 10 May 2008 19:27:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27396 Since Ron Borges left the Globe, it seems Tomase has become the new most hated in Patriots Nation. But really, I haven't wanted to read the Herald sports page in years. I'll even endure an occasional Dan Shaughnessy column over anything in the Herald. Since Ron Borges left the Globe, it seems Tomase has become the new most hated in Patriots Nation. But really, I haven’t wanted to read the Herald sports page in years. I’ll even endure an occasional Dan Shaughnessy column over anything in the Herald.

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]]> By: Mephistopholes http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27386 Mephistopholes Sat, 10 May 2008 18:29:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27386 Jeremiah W. writes: "They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined." Worse than anyone imagined? If you've paid any attention to the seething mob, then you would be aware that people have imagined some rather incredible conspiracies concerning the potential extent and implications of the Patriots videotaping practices. Thus, your contention that the filming of offensive signals is somehow a greater infraction than "anyone imagined" is, well, ridiculous. Of course, once one realizes the contradictory nature of the following contention, "Who really cares exactly who did what and when? I have lost all respect for the team coach and town, but beyond that, who cares," then the subtle absurdity of the entire post becomes plain. Jeremiah W. writes: “They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined.”

Worse than anyone imagined? If you’ve paid any attention to the seething mob, then you would be aware that people have imagined some rather incredible conspiracies concerning the potential extent and implications of the Patriots videotaping practices. Thus, your contention that the filming of offensive signals is somehow a greater infraction than “anyone imagined” is, well, ridiculous.

Of course, once one realizes the contradictory nature of the following contention, “Who really cares exactly who did what and when? I have lost all respect for the team coach and town, but beyond that, who cares,” then the subtle absurdity of the entire post becomes plain.

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]]> By: Superfan http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27377 Superfan Sat, 10 May 2008 17:40:00 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27377 Fire Tomase now and ask questions later... Fire Tomase now and ask questions later…

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]]> By: filbertkiwi71 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27372 filbertkiwi71 Sat, 10 May 2008 17:15:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27372 Why does it matter who Tomase's source is? Are you gonna start divulging all of your sources too? In all of your columns are you going to start listing every source for every column you right? Why does it matter who Tomase’s source is? Are you gonna start divulging all of your sources too? In all of your columns are you going to start listing every source for every column you right?

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27357 Rob0769 Sat, 10 May 2008 16:48:17 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27357 Although I think Tomase used irresponsible journalism and didn't follow the journalistic code of independent verification, but I don't think Tomase should be forced to give up his source. No journalist should. He definitely won't be fired for not doing it. I do think if Walsh was the source (and personally don't think he was) and he denies that the Rams walkthrough was taped on Tuesday, I think Tomase should call out him on it. When an unname source gives a journalist bad information and then leaves him/her hanging out to try by giving conflicting stories publically, I think the journalist has the right to call the source on the carpet. Otherwise, it is bad journalism to out an unnamed source. Although I think Tomase used irresponsible journalism and didn’t follow the journalistic code of independent verification, but I don’t think Tomase should be forced to give up his source. No journalist should. He definitely won’t be fired for not doing it.

I do think if Walsh was the source (and personally don’t think he was) and he denies that the Rams walkthrough was taped on Tuesday, I think Tomase should call out him on it. When an unname source gives a journalist bad information and then leaves him/her hanging out to try by giving conflicting stories publically, I think the journalist has the right to call the source on the carpet. Otherwise, it is bad journalism to out an unnamed source.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27341 PFTiswhatitis Sat, 10 May 2008 16:18:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27341 Well yes Tomase should be strung up BUT it was the editors at the Herald that were afraid they would lose the story to another newspaper and decided they had better run it. Ultimately that was not Tomase's call and we will never know what his position was on it. Well yes Tomase should be strung up BUT it was the editors at the Herald that were afraid they would lose the story to another newspaper and decided they had better run it. Ultimately that was not Tomase’s call and we will never know what his position was on it.

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]]> By: foosmom http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27329 foosmom Sat, 10 May 2008 16:03:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27329 It's the Herald for heaven's sake--a rag that never lets the truth stand in the way of a suggestive/scandalous headline. There is no need to take away Tomase's press pass--there isn't an individual in the Pat's organization who will so much as cough in his direction.Loved reading his recent stuff--what's that saying? "Nothing from nothing is nothing"--it's what he had and it's what he'll get. It’s the Herald for heaven’s sake–a rag that never lets the truth stand in the way of a suggestive/scandalous headline. There is no need to take away Tomase’s press pass–there isn’t an individual in the Pat’s organization who will so much as cough in his direction.Loved reading his recent stuff–what’s that saying? “Nothing from nothing is nothing”–it’s what he had and it’s what he’ll get.

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]]> By: gstewart http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27322 gstewart Sat, 10 May 2008 15:50:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27322 Tomase is being whipped badly on-air by the sports radio powerhouse WEEI. This, even though the station has a relationship with the Herald to use its writers on the air (and not the rival Globe's). Tomase's Herald stories about the Walsh tapes the past couple days have been bland, just-the-info stuff that buried the central idea that there was no Rams walkthrough tape. Of course, this is quite unlike other media that gives the "No Rams Tape" the lead. Because Tomase is a decent writer and actually knows a couple things about football, his "Point After" blog has always been an interesting read. You think he's got anything to say right now? Nope. In the immediate aftermath of this, he stayed off his blog for a couple days, and the Herald now doesn't allow for reader comments there. Tomase is also "known" around New England for a vicious anti-Manny Ramirez artcile from '05 that was sourced badly and was similarly pounced upon by readers/other media as being a piece simply designed for attention. In short, this guy's credibility has now been irreparably damaged. Tomase is being whipped badly on-air by the sports radio powerhouse WEEI. This, even though the station has a relationship with the Herald to use its writers on the air (and not the rival Globe’s). Tomase’s Herald stories about the Walsh tapes the past couple days have been bland, just-the-info stuff that buried the central idea that there was no Rams walkthrough tape. Of course, this is quite unlike other media that gives the “No Rams Tape” the lead. Because Tomase is a decent writer and actually knows a couple things about football, his “Point After” blog has always been an interesting read. You think he’s got anything to say right now? Nope. In the immediate aftermath of this, he stayed off his blog for a couple days, and the Herald now doesn’t allow for reader comments there. Tomase is also “known” around New England for a vicious anti-Manny Ramirez artcile from ‘05 that was sourced badly and was similarly pounced upon by readers/other media as being a piece simply designed for attention.

In short, this guy’s credibility has now been irreparably damaged.

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]]> By: Travis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27321 Travis Sat, 10 May 2008 15:49:41 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27321 Betting Tomase's source is another media type and his evidence is pressbox gossip. Tomase and the Herald jumped the gun because they thought ESPN and/or the NY Times were going to run with it. At the very least Tomase should have his Gillette Stadium press credential pulled. He's got no credibility left. Whatever happened to journalistic standards in which at least TWO sources are needed to verify a story before it's published? Looks like more than the Patriots broke the rules that governr their profession. This media witchhunt is disgusting! Betting Tomase’s source is another media type and his evidence is pressbox gossip. Tomase and the Herald jumped the gun because they thought ESPN and/or the NY Times were going to run with it. At the very least Tomase should have his Gillette Stadium press credential pulled. He’s got no credibility left. Whatever happened to journalistic standards in which at least TWO sources are needed to verify a story before it’s published? Looks like more than the Patriots broke the rules that governr their profession. This media witchhunt is disgusting!

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]]> By: Jeremiah W http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27310 Jeremiah W Sat, 10 May 2008 15:09:04 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27310 Perhaps the source has seen how they have treated Walsh and decided it is a lot safer to stay a secret. He may actually still want a job, or a peaceful life without paparazzi, lawyers and hit men looking over his shoulder. The Pats cheated. They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined. they tried to suppress it and that sort of blew it out of proportion. I know other teams do it/ or have done it, but they got caught after being specifically warned. That is why the punishment was pretty severe, even though way too secretive and suspect. The bottlom line is they were knowingly cheating, and they deserve to be humiliated, but it is getting a little crazy. Who really cares exactly who did what and when? I have lost all respect for the team coach and town, but beyond that, who cares? They are not taking away records, they are just tainting them. Perhaps the source has seen how they have treated Walsh and decided it is a lot safer to stay a secret. He may actually still want a job, or a peaceful life without paparazzi, lawyers and hit men looking over his shoulder.

The Pats cheated. They knew they were cheating, they got caught, turns out it was worse than anyone imagined. they tried to suppress it and that sort of blew it out of proportion. I know other teams do it/ or have done it, but they got caught after being specifically warned. That is why the punishment was pretty severe, even though way too secretive and suspect. The bottlom line is they were knowingly cheating, and they deserve to be humiliated, but it is getting a little crazy.

Who really cares exactly who did what and when? I have lost all respect for the team coach and town, but beyond that, who cares? They are not taking away records, they are just tainting them.

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]]> By: Dan1919 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27307 Dan1919 Sat, 10 May 2008 15:00:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27307 Tomase should be fired or reveal his source. I can not see any other reason to keep him employed. Can anyone else? Tomase should be fired or reveal his source. I can not see any other reason to keep him employed. Can anyone else?

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]]> By: barry0181 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27304 barry0181 Sat, 10 May 2008 14:55:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27304 The source was Eric Mangini The source was Eric Mangini

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]]> By: josereyes0 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27303 josereyes0 Sat, 10 May 2008 14:54:53 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/more-evidence-that-walsh-was-tomases-source/#comment-27303 Yeah, he needs to get fired. Period. He's of no use to the Boston Herald at this point. The only reason why he hasn't been run off town yet is because that would be a virtual admission of doing something wrong and then welcome a lawsuit with open arms. Yeah, he needs to get fired. Period. He’s of no use to the Boston Herald at this point. The only reason why he hasn’t been run off town yet is because that would be a virtual admission of doing something wrong and then welcome a lawsuit with open arms.

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