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Comments on: LAST WORD ON “OFFENSIVE SIGNALS” http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/ The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:25:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: monger http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27852 monger Mon, 12 May 2008 13:56:38 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27852 "Last Word" Is that a promise? This is much ado about nothing. If there had been clandestine taping of walkthroughs or if they had ninja'd the opposition's playbook, then there'd be something to talk about. As for why do it if there's no benefit to it, they do it for the same reason they assign seating on the team bus. Because NFL coaches are anal retentive obsessive compulsive freaks, that's why. “Last Word”
Is that a promise? This is much ado about nothing. If there had been clandestine taping of walkthroughs or if they had ninja’d the opposition’s playbook, then there’d be something to talk about.

As for why do it if there’s no benefit to it, they do it for the same reason they assign seating on the team bus. Because NFL coaches are anal retentive obsessive compulsive freaks, that’s why.

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]]> By: kellyb9 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27851 kellyb9 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:49:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27851 I'm actually kind of happy we stole a few offensive signals from the Dolphins. I mean, come on, they stole our entire playbook three years ago... where was the investigation then? Where were the buzzwords like "Bill Billicheat" and "Cheatriots". I suppose nothing good really goes with the Dolphins. I’m actually kind of happy we stole a few offensive signals from the Dolphins. I mean, come on, they stole our entire playbook three years ago… where was the investigation then? Where were the buzzwords like “Bill Billicheat” and “Cheatriots”. I suppose nothing good really goes with the Dolphins.

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]]> By: timothycwillis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27714 timothycwillis Sun, 11 May 2008 23:59:15 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27714 video to the audio??? that was the dumbest comment i've ever read. Pats cheated, got in trouble. Get over it. Just because you want more punishments does not mean they are coming. There is nothing else to find. Do some people really think the Pats were stealing audio from head sets? Random speculation at best. Over it. video to the audio??? that was the dumbest comment i’ve ever read.

Pats cheated, got in trouble. Get over it. Just because you want more punishments does not mean they are coming. There is nothing else to find.

Do some people really think the Pats were stealing audio from head sets?
Random speculation at best.

Over it.

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27697 Bob S. Sun, 11 May 2008 22:52:21 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27697 Arlen Spector would like to know exactly what was Bill Belichick doing taking pictures from the grassy knoll? Arlen Spector would like to know exactly what was Bill Belichick doing taking pictures from the grassy knoll?

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]]> By: tshanno http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27633 tshanno Sun, 11 May 2008 18:03:05 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27633 Message received. Having said that, I took half an hour to do a Google search. The Patriots "said" that there headsets went out during the game on October 7, 2001. This was the game in which the offensive signals were filmed and it was done presumably because the headsets "went out" and the Dolphins *were* using signals. The reference is here: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-7850487_ITM I can't find anything that mentions whether they went out again at New England on December 22 but it was in week 15 and the Patriots won to take over first place (knocking Miami out). Its not the kind of thing that's usually mentioned in game stories. The Patriots filmed those signals for some reason. And the commissioner instituted random testing for headset communication during games for some reason as well. I'd have thought inquiring minds would want to know. Maybe becoming part of the national media reduces your professional curiosity. I'm done. Message received.

Having said that, I took half an hour to do a Google search. The Patriots “said” that there headsets went out during the game on October 7, 2001. This was the game in which the offensive signals were filmed and it was done presumably because the headsets “went out” and the Dolphins *were* using signals. The reference is here:

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-7850487_ITM

I can’t find anything that mentions whether they went out again at New England on December 22 but it was in week 15 and the Patriots won to take over first place (knocking Miami out). Its not the kind of thing that’s usually mentioned in game stories.

The Patriots filmed those signals for some reason. And the commissioner instituted random testing for headset communication during games for some reason as well. I’d have thought inquiring minds would want to know. Maybe becoming part of the national media reduces your professional curiosity.

I’m done.

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]]> By: rob323 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27625 rob323 Sun, 11 May 2008 17:12:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27625 Everyone is missing the big picture here. Its not that they are stealing signals. Its that they used a camera to do it. The means of theft is the issue here. Everyone seems to forget stealing goes on without the camera and teams gain an advantage all the time. They just happen to use a camera. They took it a step too far. That's all. Everyone is missing the big picture here. Its not that they are stealing signals.
Its that they used a camera to do it. The means of theft is the issue here.
Everyone seems to forget stealing goes on without the camera and teams gain
an advantage all the time. They just happen to use a camera. They took it a step
too far. That’s all.

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]]> By: clevefan1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27618 clevefan1 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:50:34 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27618 Another curious fact that nobody has mentioned, unless I missed it somewhere, is the fact that they were taping the Dolphins of all teams? Were they trying to learn how to not win? Maybe they were trying to gain an advantage over other teams by teaching their players to do the exact opposite of what the Dolphins were doing? Another curious fact that nobody has mentioned, unless I missed it somewhere, is the fact that they were taping the Dolphins of all teams? Were they trying to learn how to not win? Maybe they were trying to gain an advantage over other teams by teaching their players to do the exact opposite of what the Dolphins were doing?

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]]> By: Garret http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27616 Garret Sun, 11 May 2008 16:46:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27616 Foober, STFU, you keep posting the same whiney crap over and over. Foober,

STFU, you keep posting the same whiney crap over and over.

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]]> By: JnBigD http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27589 JnBigD Sun, 11 May 2008 15:43:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27589 JoeSixPack, a Water Boy: I was not outraged then nor am I outraged now. It just seems odd that a team would go to the trouble if there was no benefit as the article is contending. Your point about intimidation does make sense though. BTW, nice post. JoeSixPack, a Water Boy:

I was not outraged then nor am I outraged now. It just seems odd that a team would go to the trouble if there was no benefit as the article is contending. Your point about intimidation does make sense though. BTW, nice post.

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]]> By: foober http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27571 foober Sun, 11 May 2008 14:12:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27571 the question is why is the nfl trying to cover up and white wash the cheating by the pats. MONey. IF you were caught cheating and stealing you'd be fired. So why doesn't the nfl fire bellycheat and the owner of the pats krapft. Because it would acknowledge that the pats cheated and stole those super bowl wins. All this does is send a message that cheating is fine as long as you can white wash and cover it up so fans keep giving you their money. the question is why is the nfl trying to cover up and white wash the cheating by the pats. MONey.

IF you were caught cheating and stealing you’d be fired. So why doesn’t the nfl fire bellycheat and the owner of the pats krapft. Because it would acknowledge that the pats cheated and stole those super bowl wins.

All this does is send a message that cheating is fine as long as you can white wash and cover it up so fans keep giving you their money.

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]]> By: Looky Lou http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27568 Looky Lou Sun, 11 May 2008 13:57:29 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27568 Hey "Phillyrocks"....you just made yourself look foolish with that post....go buy a clue...you obviously know nothing about politics... Hey “Phillyrocks”….you just made yourself look foolish with that post….go buy a clue…you obviously know nothing about politics…

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27567 Rob0769 Sun, 11 May 2008 13:53:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27567 PhillyRocks, You may be right about Comcast not being involved. I personally think Specter is abusing his power because of the Eagles fan in him, not because Comcast (although he has admitted used this incident to push his Comcast agenda the last time he met with Goodell). He has a history of getting involved in NFL business when he feels his Eagles are wronged in some way. He threatened NFL investigations to get the trade of TO voided between San Fran and Baltimore so he could be traded to the Eagles. There have been similiar greivances filed against the league like TOs where Specter chose not to get involved since it did not pertain to his Eagles. Specter has threatened Senate hearings three times vs. the NFL. All three times represented personal interests of his. The TO incident benefitted the Eagles because if TO won everyone knew that would be where he would go. Spygate because because of his interest soley in if the Pats cheated in the Eagles Super Bowl. He also threatened Senate hearings if the league didn't provide access to NFL Sunday Ticket to cable companies (including Comcast). I'm sorry, but Specter represents all that is wrong with our government officials. Whether you think he is working on the right side of this issue or not, his motives are less than admirable. PhillyRocks,

You may be right about Comcast not being involved. I personally think Specter is abusing his power because of the Eagles fan in him, not because Comcast (although he has admitted used this incident to push his Comcast agenda the last time he met with Goodell).

He has a history of getting involved in NFL business when he feels his Eagles are wronged in some way. He threatened NFL investigations to get the trade of TO voided between San Fran and Baltimore so he could be traded to the Eagles. There have been similiar greivances filed against the league like TOs where Specter chose not to get involved since it did not pertain to his Eagles.

Specter has threatened Senate hearings three times vs. the NFL. All three times represented personal interests of his. The TO incident benefitted the Eagles because if TO won everyone knew that would be where he would go. Spygate because because of his interest soley in if the Pats cheated in the Eagles Super Bowl. He also threatened Senate hearings if the league didn’t provide access to NFL Sunday Ticket to cable companies (including Comcast).

I’m sorry, but Specter represents all that is wrong with our government officials. Whether you think he is working on the right side of this issue or not, his motives are less than admirable.

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]]> By: HarrisonHits http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27566 HarrisonHits Sun, 11 May 2008 13:48:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27566 "And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents?" Uh, Comcast is Spector's biggest contributor to his campaign funds. The NFL is in a major battle with Comcast over fees to air the NFLN on Comcast. Spector is doing anything he can to apply pressure to the NFL to get them to bend over for Comcast. This has been going on for quite some time and the issues with the Pats simply gave Spector an opportunity to apply more pressure while cdancing on the corporate strings of his owners. “And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents?”

Uh, Comcast is Spector’s biggest contributor to his campaign funds. The NFL is in a major battle with Comcast over fees to air the NFLN on Comcast. Spector is doing anything he can to apply pressure to the NFL to get them to bend over for Comcast. This has been going on for quite some time and the issues with the Pats simply gave Spector an opportunity to apply more pressure while cdancing on the corporate strings of his owners.

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27565 JoeSixPack Sun, 11 May 2008 13:47:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27565 PhillyRocks, a Cheerleader, says: "And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents?" Less than 2 years ago Michael Levy worked for a DC lawfirm, very active in giving lucrative campaign donations, that also did work for Comcast. Is Levy, a likely $500 an hour DC lawyer, representing Walsh out of the goodness of his heart? Or is there some quid pro quo at work here given his ties to Comcast's lawfirm? Many people would like to know but no one in the media is willing to look further into it. PhillyRocks, a Cheerleader, says: “And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents?”

Less than 2 years ago Michael Levy worked for a DC lawfirm, very active in giving lucrative campaign donations, that also did work for Comcast.

Is Levy, a likely $500 an hour DC lawyer, representing Walsh out of the goodness of his heart? Or is there some quid pro quo at work here given his ties to Comcast’s lawfirm?

Many people would like to know but no one in the media is willing to look further into it.

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]]> By: PFTiswhatitis http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27562 PFTiswhatitis Sun, 11 May 2008 13:04:49 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27562 Its sad but pointing out the obvious was actually needed. Its sad but pointing out the obvious was actually needed.

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]]> By: PhillyRocks http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27561 PhillyRocks Sun, 11 May 2008 13:02:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27561 And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents? You lost all of the credibility just with that one subject. The rest might as well be flushed. And Comcast has what to do with this? Spector has been around so long do you really think he needs constituents?

You lost all of the credibility just with that one subject. The rest might as well be flushed.

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]]> By: swordsedge http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27557 swordsedge Sun, 11 May 2008 12:52:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27557 Why would BB benefit from video of opposing coaches giving him the bird? Why would BB benefit from video of opposing coaches giving him the bird?

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27556 JoeSixPack Sun, 11 May 2008 12:46:40 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27556 JnBigD, a Cheerleader, says: "Why do it then?" You seem to be missing the distinction here between using taped signals for THAT game and analyzing them later. Don't worry, you're not alone. When the Dolphins did the same thing in 2006, were you or anyone else outraged? Was the NFL? Read this article to see. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227 The NFL condones and encourages taping and stealing signals, even today. Many fans and the media don't seem to understand that and generate a false sense of outrage over this circumstance. The only issue with Spygate is the LOCATION of where the tapes were obtained from. Use a telescopic microphone and telephoto lens from a location in compliance with NFL rules, and there's no issue. The only legitmate question one could ask is - why take videotape FROM THE FIELD if it gives no additional strategic advantage. The answer in my opinion is that it adds the intimidation factor. Coaches and players are intimidated by Belichick. Having staff on the field taping them call signals adds to that. Belichick wants the tape anyways (and likely continues to obtain it the same way other teams like the Dolphins do) and figures he might as well gain a psychological advantage while he's at it. Just one of many ways that coaches all play mindgames. But is this worse than what the Giants did going back to 1955? http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html Worse than what the Broncos did to cheat the salary cap to win their Super Bowls? I think not. JnBigD, a Cheerleader, says: “Why do it then?”

You seem to be missing the distinction here between using taped signals for THAT game and analyzing them later. Don’t worry, you’re not alone.

When the Dolphins did the same thing in 2006, were you or anyone else outraged? Was the NFL? Read this article to see. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

The NFL condones and encourages taping and stealing signals, even today. Many fans and the media don’t seem to understand that and generate a false sense of outrage over this circumstance.

The only issue with Spygate is the LOCATION of where the tapes were obtained from. Use a telescopic microphone and telephoto lens from a location in compliance with NFL rules, and there’s no issue.

The only legitmate question one could ask is - why take videotape FROM THE FIELD if it gives no additional strategic advantage. The answer in my opinion is that it adds the intimidation factor. Coaches and players are intimidated by Belichick. Having staff on the field taping them call signals adds to that. Belichick wants the tape anyways (and likely continues to obtain it the same way other teams like the Dolphins do) and figures he might as well gain a psychological advantage while he’s at it.

Just one of many ways that coaches all play mindgames. But is this worse than what the Giants did going back to 1955? http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html Worse than what the Broncos did to cheat the salary cap to win their Super Bowls? I think not.

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]]> By: Pats1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27555 Pats1 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:41:27 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27555 The last paragraph sums it up perfectly. Great job as always, Mike. The last paragraph sums it up perfectly. Great job as always, Mike.

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]]> By: Looky Lou http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27552 Looky Lou Sun, 11 May 2008 12:33:39 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27552 This whole "spygate" story has been OVERBLOWN from the get-go...It was a MEDIA WET DREAM come true...anybody who can't see that is blind or KNOWS NOTHING about Football This whole “spygate” story has been OVERBLOWN from the get-go…It was a MEDIA WET DREAM come true…anybody who can’t see that is blind or KNOWS NOTHING about Football

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]]> By: Rob0769 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27551 Rob0769 Sun, 11 May 2008 12:22:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27551 Thank you Mike for bringing some reality to all the BS by the media and fans desperate to keep this scandal alive. Greg Aellio said Friday that the original punishment covered offensive and defensive signals. But people in the media still talk as if these are new charges that will come to punishment. It obviously won't. Thank you Mike for bringing some reality to all the BS by the media and fans desperate to keep this scandal alive.

Greg Aellio said Friday that the original punishment covered offensive and defensive signals. But people in the media still talk as if these are new charges that will come to punishment. It obviously won’t.

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]]> By: GR365 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27547 GR365 Sun, 11 May 2008 10:56:35 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27547 As a Pats fan I really appreciate a black and white view of "spygate". This entire episode has left me with a juandiced slant of some sports writers! King, Easterbrook and ESPN in general has pronounced that BB should be suspended regardless of the facts! All have pronounced a "cover up", led by BB and Bob Kraft in cahoots with the Commissioner. Really? Goodell just got the job and wanted to make sure he handed out serious punishment! A huge fine and the loss of a 1st round selection wasn't enough for some. They required a year's suspention of BB! I believe they'll continue the "witch-hunt" even though this is the end of this story! Lest we forget the Senator from Penn. Mr. Specter. Who stands to gain support from some of his constituents, but more importantly those campaign dollars from Comcast! His motivation's are pure sportsmanship ethics, aren't they? As a Pats fan I really appreciate a black and white view of “spygate”. This entire episode has left me with a juandiced slant of some sports writers!
King, Easterbrook and ESPN in general has pronounced that BB should be suspended regardless of the facts! All have pronounced a “cover up”, led by BB and Bob Kraft in cahoots with the Commissioner.
Really? Goodell just got the job and wanted to make sure he handed out serious punishment! A huge fine and the loss of a 1st round selection wasn’t enough for some. They required a year’s suspention of BB! I believe they’ll continue the “witch-hunt” even though this is the end of this story!
Lest we forget the Senator from Penn. Mr. Specter. Who stands to gain support from some of his constituents, but more importantly those campaign dollars from Comcast! His motivation’s are pure sportsmanship ethics, aren’t they?

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]]> By: dracula58 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27546 dracula58 Sun, 11 May 2008 10:46:10 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27546 Let's move on now. The Pats accomplishments rate them as an altime great team. Only the foolish would refuse to admit that. A new season ahead with plenty of story lines. Let’s move on now. The Pats accomplishments rate them as an altime great team. Only the foolish would refuse to admit that. A new season ahead with plenty of story lines.

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]]> By: Ripp http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27541 Ripp Sun, 11 May 2008 08:23:09 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27541 IMO it dose not mean the Pats won't be punished again. I still think it goes back to the confession. If they confessed about these tapes the 1st time than I can't see why they would be punished again. If not than they were with holding the information for a reason and it is still against NFL rules. Being that these videos dose not appear to give the Pats any kind of advantage you would think that if there was any kind of punishment it should not be a sever one if any but nothing in this article tells me that the Pats are out of the woods. IMO it dose not mean the Pats won’t be punished again. I still think it goes back to the confession. If they confessed about these tapes the 1st time than I can’t see why they would be punished again. If not than they were with holding the information for a reason and it is still against NFL rules. Being that these videos dose not appear to give the Pats any kind of advantage you would think that if there was any kind of punishment it should not be a sever one if any but nothing in this article tells me that the Pats are out of the woods.

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]]> By: Demons87 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27538 Demons87 Sun, 11 May 2008 07:45:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27538 Can we all agree that the comments on the Pats stories are getting redundant? OK Good. Rather than post the same old "Cheatriots" or "Bill Belicheat", try to find some new funnier ways to do it. Can't we retire them? They are old and not funny anymore. Here are some synonyms for cheat to help you out: fraud, swindle, victimization, bilk, cozen, defraud, gull, mulct, rook, swindle, victimize, sharper, trickster. Fret not Pats fan's, here some help for you as well. The term "Haters" is over used. Can we agree to call them what they really are? People whose teams stink and rather than blaming their teams for their suckiness, say it is because the Pats video taped something that was in plain sight. Also to the people that throw out the 18-1. Unless your team did better, STFU. The last 18-1 team, I believe, was in 1985. Only Giants fans have a reason to crow about the 18-1 because they were the only team that beat the Pats. Finally, can we stop calling it Spygate. First of all anything with "gate" on the end is unoriginal. It's the media's way out of having to be creative, don't help them out. Also the word spy means: To observe or listen in secret to obtain information. The Pats were video taping right on the sidelines for anyone to see for 7 years. There was nothing covert about it. Can we all agree that the comments on the Pats stories are getting redundant? OK Good.

Rather than post the same old “Cheatriots” or “Bill Belicheat”, try to find some new funnier ways to do it. Can’t we retire them? They are old and not funny anymore.

Here are some synonyms for cheat to help you out: fraud, swindle, victimization, bilk, cozen, defraud, gull, mulct, rook, swindle, victimize, sharper, trickster.

Fret not Pats fan’s, here some help for you as well. The term “Haters” is over used. Can we agree to call them what they really are? People whose teams stink and rather than blaming their teams for their suckiness, say it is because the Pats video taped something that was in plain sight.

Also to the people that throw out the 18-1. Unless your team did better, STFU. The last 18-1 team, I believe, was in 1985. Only Giants fans have a reason to crow about the 18-1 because they were the only team that beat the Pats.

Finally, can we stop calling it Spygate. First of all anything with “gate” on the end is unoriginal. It’s the media’s way out of having to be creative, don’t help them out. Also the word spy means: To observe or listen in secret to obtain information. The Pats were video taping right on the sidelines for anyone to see for 7 years. There was nothing covert about it.

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]]> By: wolfdogg http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27533 wolfdogg Sun, 11 May 2008 07:04:23 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27533 Just a couple questions; Why did they even bother taping the signals if it was for nothing? And does the fact that they taped an AFC championship game show that the tapes were not used for 'future games' as BB lamely suggests? I think it's more likely that those tapes were why bill became the master of halftime adjustments. Just a couple questions;

Why did they even bother taping the signals if it was for nothing?

And does the fact that they taped an AFC championship game show that the tapes were not used for ‘future games’ as BB lamely suggests?

I think it’s more likely that those tapes were why bill became the master of halftime adjustments.

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]]> By: Henry Plainview http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27532 Henry Plainview Sun, 11 May 2008 07:01:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27532 Mangini will never work again Mangini will never work again

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]]> By: Da Oracle http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27531 Da Oracle Sun, 11 May 2008 06:39:54 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27531 Do teams use hand signals when in the no-huddle offense? Could that also be part of the film? Do teams use hand signals when in the no-huddle offense? Could that also be part of the film?

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]]> By: Treez http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27524 Treez Sun, 11 May 2008 05:15:06 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27524 I think eventually it becomes known that the Pats were tapping the audio of signals.. these videos were just pictures for the audio. The topic of 'stealing wireless signals' wouldn't have come up if there wasn't truth to it. Give it about 10 years and we'll all know about it. Why stop at video? The signals aren't encrypted in any way that would be difficult for a modern computer to crack. I think eventually it becomes known that the Pats were tapping the audio of signals.. these videos were just pictures for the audio. The topic of ’stealing wireless signals’ wouldn’t have come up if there wasn’t truth to it.

Give it about 10 years and we’ll all know about it. Why stop at video? The signals aren’t encrypted in any way that would be difficult for a modern computer to crack.

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]]> By: Bob S. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27515 Bob S. Sun, 11 May 2008 04:37:12 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27515 "On offense, the play is called into the quarterback via the radio in his helmet." ?? Aren't they talking about when Walsh was there 6 or 7 years ago? Did they use a radio in QBs helmet then? “On offense, the play is called into the quarterback via the radio in his helmet.”

??

Aren’t they talking about when Walsh was there 6 or 7 years ago? Did they use a radio in QBs helmet then?

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]]> By: go screw http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27512 go screw Sun, 11 May 2008 04:31:20 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27512 The Pats are a bunch of cheaters . They stink and I don't like them The Pats are a bunch of cheaters . They stink and I don’t like them

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]]> By: bushy http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27511 bushy Sun, 11 May 2008 04:22:26 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27511 Bill Belichick turned me into a newt! :-( Bill Belichick turned me into a newt!

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]]> By: 8man http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27510 8man Sun, 11 May 2008 04:21:32 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27510 Can we just put this to bed and begin work on another 16-0 regular season? Can we just put this to bed and begin work on another 16-0 regular season?

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]]> By: foober http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27507 foober Sun, 11 May 2008 03:53:48 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27507 If taping the signals doesn't matter. Why did the pats do it so much. Face facts. The pats were using methods that are illegal. And it helped them win games. If thats not cheating what is. If taping the signals doesn’t matter. Why did the pats do it so much.

Face facts. The pats were using methods that are illegal. And it helped them win games. If thats not cheating what is.

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]]> By: clevefan1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27506 clevefan1 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:49:51 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27506 This just in...Walsh has tapes of audio that was stolen from headsets of opposing teams! The Pats were tapping the headsets OMG! This just in…Walsh has tapes of audio that was stolen from headsets of opposing teams! The Pats were tapping the headsets OMG!

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]]> By: stugacz http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27505 stugacz Sun, 11 May 2008 03:48:43 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27505 Cowboy: It is simply tripe. Filler for slow news time. Time to move on. I told you so in the beginning. You can call me chief! Cowboy:

It is simply tripe. Filler for slow news time.
Time to move on. I told you so in the beginning.

You can call me chief!

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]]> By: HitMachine http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27504 HitMachine Sun, 11 May 2008 03:47:31 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27504 The Dolphins have offensive signals? The Dolphins have offensive signals?

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]]> By: JoeSixPack http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27502 JoeSixPack Sun, 11 May 2008 03:36:57 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27502 Oh come on... don't go and bring logic into this! I was looking forward to watching the NFL Commissioner, a US Senator and thousands of righteous fans explain why the 2001 Patriots should be punished for breaking a 2006 rule! Oh come on… don’t go and bring logic into this!

I was looking forward to watching the NFL Commissioner, a US Senator and thousands of righteous fans explain why the 2001 Patriots should be punished for breaking a 2006 rule!

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]]> By: rob323 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27501 rob323 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:30:13 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27501 What about audibles? Or the two minute drill routine? What about audibles? Or the two minute drill routine?

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]]> By: josereyes0 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27495 josereyes0 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:17:25 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27495 DarthJay: Hopefully. Great post Florio. Thanks for being the only even minded person in this stupid world of media. People like you are why people like us prefer this type of news coverage. DarthJay: Hopefully.

Great post Florio. Thanks for being the only even minded person in this stupid world of media. People like you are why people like us prefer this type of news coverage.

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]]> By: yankeemofo http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27492 yankeemofo Sun, 11 May 2008 03:11:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27492 *yawn I think golf is on... *yawn

I think golf is on…

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]]> By: SRK1 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27489 SRK1 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:05:56 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27489 Theres one thing ...Why tape the offensive plays if theres nothing to be gained...Maybe there is something that most are overlooking or an edge no one has thought of ....It seems stupid to take a chance of getting caught taping them if there was no edge to gain... Theres one thing …Why tape the offensive plays if theres nothing to be gained…Maybe there is something that most are overlooking or an edge no one has thought of ….It seems stupid to take a chance of getting caught taping them if there was no edge to gain…

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]]> By: JnBigD http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27488 JnBigD Sun, 11 May 2008 03:00:19 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27488 Why do it then? Why do it then?

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]]> By: DarthJay http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27487 DarthJay Sun, 11 May 2008 02:53:55 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27487 That about sums it up. Just another nail in the coffin for Spygate. That about sums it up. Just another nail in the coffin for Spygate.

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]]> By: bradysheroes http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27485 bradysheroes Sun, 11 May 2008 02:46:50 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27485 Wow you the mighty florio finally took it all in, and its more of the drive by media creating attention for itself, particurally Gary Myers, And all of espn Wow you the mighty florio finally took it all in, and its more of the drive by media creating attention for itself, particurally Gary Myers, And all of espn

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]]> By: Nos20 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27484 Nos20 Sun, 11 May 2008 02:45:08 +0000 http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/10/last-word-on-offensive-signals/#comment-27484 You guys do a great job investigating. Keep up the awesome work Mike. -Oh No Romo You guys do a great job investigating. Keep up the awesome work Mike.

-Oh No Romo

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