We’ve done some digging today on the report that Matt Walsh’s video collection includes at least one instance of the Pats stealing “offensive signals,” from the Miami Dolphins.
And we’ve learned that there’s no such thing as “offensive signals.” At least there aren’t “offensive signals” in the same sense that there are (or, given the coming use of radio receivers for defensive players, were) “defensive signals.” On defense, the coaches signal in the play to the players on the field. On offense, the play is called into the quarterback via the radio in his helmet.
Presumably, the tape created by Walsh shows the hand signals made by offensive coaches to alert the players on the field, and on the sidelines, to the personnel groupings that would be used, such as two running backs, one tight end, and two wideouts, or two tight ends, one running back, and two receivers.
Here’s how one source explained the process to us: “A play ends and the offensive coaching staff yells out on the sideline and simultaneously puts up a hand signal. Let’s say they want ‘regular’ personnel, which is two backs, two receivers and one tight end. The signal would be something like putting one finger in the air. The coach holds it up, but generally so do the players that are running on the field. The whole world sees it.”
And one group of folks who see it are the advance scouts from other teams who are attending the game for the purposes of, among other things, figuring out the number of fingers that are put in the air for each type of offensive grouping. It’s a simple process, and it’s a code that doesn’t require much effort to crack.
That’s in sharp contrast to the signals used by defensive coaches to call in defensive plays, which entails a level of intricacy that would require Rain Man-style abilities to decipher on the fly.
With all that said, it’s not presently known whether the ”offensive signals” on the Walsh tapes are the hand signs used to indicate personnel groupings. But we can’t imagine what else they would be.
And before anyone else sends in e-mails (or posts comments) suggesting that the signals were taped during one of the occasions when the coach-to-quarterback system was on the fritz, most (if not all) teams don’t use hand signals when that occurs. Instead, they either shuttle in players with the information, or the quarterback walks closer to the sideline and the coaches yell out the number that corresponds with the play on the quarterback’s wristband.
So there’s really nothing to it. And, as others have pointed out, the rule that the Pats broke relates to taping generally, not to the taping of offensive or defensive signals. Thus, the presence of one tape with “offensive signals” doesn’t constitute the kind of new evidence that will land the team or coach Bill Belichick in a fresh vat of boiling water.
We know that plenty of folks who don’t like the Patriots and/or media figures who want to see a compelling story fill the slow months because now and July hope that some previously undisclosed proof of cheating will emerge. If it does, it most likely won’t come from the Walsh tape with the “offensive signals.”
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May 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
You guys do a great job investigating. Keep up the awesome work Mike.
-Oh No Romo
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May 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Wow you the mighty florio finally took it all in, and its more of the drive by media creating attention for itself, particurally Gary Myers, And all of espn
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May 10th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
That about sums it up. Just another nail in the coffin for Spygate.
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Why do it then?
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Theres one thing …Why tape the offensive plays if theres nothing to be gained…Maybe there is something that most are overlooking or an edge no one has thought of ….It seems stupid to take a chance of getting caught taping them if there was no edge to gain…
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
*yawn
I think golf is on…
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
DarthJay: Hopefully.
Great post Florio. Thanks for being the only even minded person in this stupid world of media. People like you are why people like us prefer this type of news coverage.
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
What about audibles? Or the two minute drill routine?
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Oh come on… don’t go and bring logic into this!
I was looking forward to watching the NFL Commissioner, a US Senator and thousands of righteous fans explain why the 2001 Patriots should be punished for breaking a 2006 rule!
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
The Dolphins have offensive signals?
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Cowboy:
It is simply tripe. Filler for slow news time.
Time to move on. I told you so in the beginning.
You can call me chief!
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
This just in…Walsh has tapes of audio that was stolen from headsets of opposing teams! The Pats were tapping the headsets OMG!
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May 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
If taping the signals doesn’t matter. Why did the pats do it so much.
Face facts. The pats were using methods that are illegal. And it helped them win games. If thats not cheating what is.
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May 11th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Can we just put this to bed and begin work on another 16-0 regular season?
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May 11th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Bill Belichick turned me into a newt!
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May 11th, 2008 at 12:31 am
The Pats are a bunch of cheaters . They stink and I don’t like them
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May 11th, 2008 at 12:37 am
“On offense, the play is called into the quarterback via the radio in his helmet.”
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Aren’t they talking about when Walsh was there 6 or 7 years ago? Did they use a radio in QBs helmet then?
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May 11th, 2008 at 1:15 am
I think eventually it becomes known that the Pats were tapping the audio of signals.. these videos were just pictures for the audio. The topic of ’stealing wireless signals’ wouldn’t have come up if there wasn’t truth to it.
Give it about 10 years and we’ll all know about it. Why stop at video? The signals aren’t encrypted in any way that would be difficult for a modern computer to crack.
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May 11th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Do teams use hand signals when in the no-huddle offense? Could that also be part of the film?
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May 11th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Mangini will never work again
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May 11th, 2008 at 3:04 am
Just a couple questions;
Why did they even bother taping the signals if it was for nothing?
And does the fact that they taped an AFC championship game show that the tapes were not used for ‘future games’ as BB lamely suggests?
I think it’s more likely that those tapes were why bill became the master of halftime adjustments.
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May 11th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Can we all agree that the comments on the Pats stories are getting redundant? OK Good.
Rather than post the same old “Cheatriots” or “Bill Belicheat”, try to find some new funnier ways to do it. Can’t we retire them? They are old and not funny anymore.
Here are some synonyms for cheat to help you out: fraud, swindle, victimization, bilk, cozen, defraud, gull, mulct, rook, swindle, victimize, sharper, trickster.
Fret not Pats fan’s, here some help for you as well. The term “Haters” is over used. Can we agree to call them what they really are? People whose teams stink and rather than blaming their teams for their suckiness, say it is because the Pats video taped something that was in plain sight.
Also to the people that throw out the 18-1. Unless your team did better, STFU. The last 18-1 team, I believe, was in 1985. Only Giants fans have a reason to crow about the 18-1 because they were the only team that beat the Pats.
Finally, can we stop calling it Spygate. First of all anything with “gate” on the end is unoriginal. It’s the media’s way out of having to be creative, don’t help them out. Also the word spy means: To observe or listen in secret to obtain information. The Pats were video taping right on the sidelines for anyone to see for 7 years. There was nothing covert about it.
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May 11th, 2008 at 4:23 am
IMO it dose not mean the Pats won’t be punished again. I still think it goes back to the confession. If they confessed about these tapes the 1st time than I can’t see why they would be punished again. If not than they were with holding the information for a reason and it is still against NFL rules. Being that these videos dose not appear to give the Pats any kind of advantage you would think that if there was any kind of punishment it should not be a sever one if any but nothing in this article tells me that the Pats are out of the woods.
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May 11th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Let’s move on now. The Pats accomplishments rate them as an altime great team. Only the foolish would refuse to admit that. A new season ahead with plenty of story lines.
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May 11th, 2008 at 6:56 am
As a Pats fan I really appreciate a black and white view of “spygate”. This entire episode has left me with a juandiced slant of some sports writers!
King, Easterbrook and ESPN in general has pronounced that BB should be suspended regardless of the facts! All have pronounced a “cover up”, led by BB and Bob Kraft in cahoots with the Commissioner.
Really? Goodell just got the job and wanted to make sure he handed out serious punishment! A huge fine and the loss of a 1st round selection wasn’t enough for some. They required a year’s suspention of BB! I believe they’ll continue the “witch-hunt” even though this is the end of this story!
Lest we forget the Senator from Penn. Mr. Specter. Who stands to gain support from some of his constituents, but more importantly those campaign dollars from Comcast! His motivation’s are pure sportsmanship ethics, aren’t they?
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